Casino courtesy

[need2bespoiled]

Another thought I had reading Queen of Oakville's post (I picked up on your double down "issue") is that FEW if any play by straight odds. I see less than half of players hitting on 12 into a 2 or 3. How many hit soft 17 into an 8 or soft 18 into a 9 or 10 or Ace? How many double down on 10s into a 9 or 9 into a 3? How about doubling a soft 18 into a 2 or 3?

 

In my experience, if I win my doubles and splits, I'll win for the night. If I loose those, I'll be down.

 

Happy sailing,

Jenna

[jagoffee]

Based on several posts it is obvious that I was wrong about the continuos shuffle shoes on Celebrity. I apologize for posting incorrect information. I really hate playing with one and I was mistaken. I was at a Casino in AZ recently and Princess cruise last summer so I suspect I was just confused.

[1Gizmo]

Not true--Over all for the long run with all players considered, yes.

Or, you can be lucky and get out while you're ahead.

And, card counters have the odds in their favor and in the long run they will win.;)

 

If you win and get out more than likely, because to won you'll go back and may not win again for awhile. The casinos watch for card counters and will not allow them to play. House can reserve the right to refuse you service.

[Gonzo70]

Curious if those who walk away if someone is not playing the "odds" also believe in the Tooth Fairy, magic eight balls, Miss Cleo and and unicorns? Those are all as "real" as your logic that a person not playing the odds hurts your chances of winning. It is hilarious that some think blackjack is a "team" sport. Unless card counting is involved, how "good" or "bad" others at the table play have ZERO impact on your odds of winning or losing. None whatsoever. What is so funny is playing the "odds" is based on rational/factual thinking; it is also rational/factual that other people's play have NO IMPACT on your chances of winning/losing - that is what is most perplexing about the misinformation, peculiar behavior and flawed thought processes of some on this thread.

[Karynanne]

Based on several posts it is obvious that I was wrong about the continuos shuffle shoes on Celebrity. I apologize for posting incorrect information. I really hate playing with one and I was mistaken. I was at a Casino in AZ recently and Princess cruise last summer so I suspect I was just confused.

 

There aren't any "continuous shuffle" machines, but the dealer does shuffle 5 decks at a time, and puts them into a shoe.

[kenevenpar]

Maybe you should read what I said. I said that playing correctly is no guarantee the YOU will win but it does give YOU a better chance.

 

I was not talking about the "offending" players odds; obviously over the long haul not following the basic plays will reduce the players odds. I was referring to the fact that the "offending" player makes a poor decision has no impact on the rest of the players odds.

 

Actually, I should have referred to this part of the comment:

 

Casino courtesy works both ways. It's not nice to criticize others and it's also not nice to play a game that can affect other people adversely if you don't know how to play

Edited April 1, 2015 by kenevenpar

[Ma Bell]

I was not talking about the "offending" players odds; obviously over the long haul not following the basic plays will reduce the players odds. I was referring to the fact that the "offending" player makes a poor decision has no impact on the rest of the players odds.

 

Actually, I should have referred to this part of the comment:

 

Casino courtesy works both ways. It's not nice to criticize others and it's also not nice to play a game that can affect other people adversely if you don't know how to play

 

I still don't see anything about odds in what I said. Anyone who plays blackjack knows that each play can be affected by another person's play and obviously poor play can sometimes turn out well for others at the table.

 

The particular play referenced in this thread, hitting a breaking hand against a dealer six often involves players having more money on the table than usual because of splits and double downs. If there is a player at the table who says they know how to play the game and takes a card anyway, I would find that to be rude. JMO.

[go noles]

I still don't see anything about odds in what I said. Anyone who plays blackjack knows that each play can be affected by another person's play and obviously poor play can sometimes turn out well for others at the table.

 

The particular play referenced in this thread, hitting a breaking hand against a dealer six often involves players having more money on the table than usual because of splits and double downs. If there is a player at the table who says they know how to play the game and takes a card anyway, I would find that to be rude. JMO.

 

If we agree we don't have xray vision and can't see the cards in the shoe and we believe in math then we must conclde that hitting a breaking hand against a dealer six has just as much probability to save the table as it does to crush it. The only person from a probability and law of independence perspective to be adversely affected is the person taking the card.

[gsb]

http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/strategy/4-decks/

[DirtyDawg]

If we agree we don't have xray vision and can't see the cards in the shoe and we believe in math then we must conclde that hitting a breaking hand against a dealer six has just as much probability to save the table as it does to crush it. The only person from a probability and law of independence perspective to be adversely affected is the person taking the card.

 

Maybe it's a behaving as the others in the group thing. If most gamblers believe that another's play affects them then all players should play by the same book of rules or casino etiquette. I.E. If most people check their probability/odds/stats brain cells at the Casino door, all should.;)

[huskerc]

http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/strategy/4-decks/

 

Can you show the revised charts for what to do when the player at 3rd base ruins the shoe?

[cpj]

Curious if those who walk away if someone is not playing the "odds" also believe in the Tooth Fairy, magic eight balls, Miss Cleo and and unicorns? Those are all as "real" as your logic that a person not playing the odds hurts your chances of winning. It is hilarious that some think blackjack is a "team" sport. Unless card counting is involved, how "good" or "bad" others at the table play have ZERO impact on your odds of winning or losing. None whatsoever. What is so funny is playing the "odds" is based on rational/factual thinking; it is also rational/factual that other people's play have NO IMPACT on your chances of winning/losing - that is what is most perplexing about the misinformation, peculiar behavior and flawed thought processes of some on this thread.

I agree with everything you said. Over the long run it will make no difference as to you winning or losing. In the short run stupid play can hurt your chances. One of the reasons I don't play blackjack on a cruise ship is cause I'm not playing long enough to overcome stupid play. So I just avoid it rather then get upset. Also I rather play craps where I think I have a better chance of winning in the short run. I also set a limit on how much I'm going to win. If I succeed I'm gone. The longer you play the more chance to lose.

[bobsfamily]

I go to gamble, enjoy the game and if the people at the table are nice then the crowd BUT I always play my cards and my "hunches"...

With a 5-6 deck shoe you can get in a rhythm that almost certainly produces a string of wins or losses regardless of math, seen it to many times. When that happens the way people are playing needs to stay the same including the "kooky" person hitting his 12 regardless of what the dealer has.

 

Remember go to play, ignore the complainers and have fun!

[Gonzo70]

In the short run stupid play can hurt your chances.

 

Short term vs. long term is irrelevant. Stupid play ALWAYS hurts the chances of the person playing stupidly, it NEVER hurts the chances of others at the table. It is as simple as that. 100% fact, 0% opinion.

[julia]

This thread is a riot!

 

Y'all can debate "smart play" vs. "odds" vs. "hunches" til the cows come home, but I'm absolutely certain (as I look out at my unobstructed, 180 degree view of the magnificent Strip) is the ONLY real winner is the house (or in this case, the cruise line!!) :eek: :) :p

 

To the OP: The guy was a total jerk.... unfortunately, they are everywhere. :(

[beacholdfart]

Just returned from a fabulous Equinox 11 night cruise. I have one minor grievance - not caused by Celebrity but by a fellow cruiser.

 

I play Blackjack. I have for many years. I usually win - not a lot but enough to make it cheap entertainment. I enjoy playing at full tables as the fun is enhanced with a good group.

 

One night as I sat down to a table, another player got up and proceeded to lecture me on my gameplay. After lambasting me in front of everyone, he picked up his chips and left. His gripe was that I had called for a card when I had 14 and the dealer had a 6 showing.

 

I know that some people will never ask for a card in this instance - I, on the otherhand, sometimes will. I don't think it was his place to correct me. (I lost that particular hand, but it oould go either way).

 

I ended the cruise on the plus side. But I thought his actions rude and discourteous.

 

Melissa

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Melissa,

If you are mad that someone is trying to assist you in NOT giving your money to the casino, then, well,,,what can we say. Not sure the method of his remarks but hopefully they were somewhat civil.

 

As for playing the odds. If you are trying to make them much higher against you, which you are, then you may want to switch games to Roulette. At least you can reduce the amount of money you are risking. But hey, have FUN!

[cpj]

Short term vs. long term is irrelevant. Stupid play ALWAYS hurts the chances of the person playing stupidly, it NEVER hurts the chances of others at the table. It is as simple as that. 100% fact, 0% opinion.

 

Again I know your right but it still upsets me, and I know it should not but its hard to watch. I'm better off not playing.

[Ozzmund]

While I do understand the frustration some players feel when another makes a "wrong" play, I am reminded of a man I saw at a $100.00 table at the Mirage in Las Vegas. He was one of three players, sitting in the third base seat. When he chose to stand on a 13 when the dealer was showing a 7, another player told him that was a dumb play. The man with the 13 looked the other in the eye and said,"unless those are your chips sitting in front of me, shut the #@&$ up".

 

Needless to say, there was no more advice offered.

[DYKWIA]

And of course no one's judgement is ever impaired in a casino because of the often free ( admittedly not on Celebrity) alcohol the house is providing.

[chrismakris]

To give you an example of how bad play can effect the table, I was at a casino in Vegas one night and sat down at $10 minimum table where everyone was playing by the book. Two hands in(after winning one hand and losing another), a gentleman sits down and proceeds to play against the book. First hand, he proceeds to split his 20 when the dealer shows a bust card. Worked out well for him because he drew two more tens. Unfortunately for the rest of the table the dealer made 19 and everyone else lost. Had he stayed with his original 20 the dealer would have busted. He continued to play that way and my $100 investment was gone in 11 hands(10 losses and 1 push). Me and the other 4 players got up and immediately left the table. The way he played cost the 5 of us approximately $1000 in less than 10 minutes.

 

Not playing by the book does affect the outcome and fortunes of all involved. I find that most people that play the "wrong way" are out on the night having a good time and wanna part with their money quickly and the casinos love this kind of player.

 

I have seen many times when a player plays "poorly" that they do win money to start but the odds eventually do catch up with them and they leave the table with less money than what they started with. I can say that I've been on the good side of the ledger when someone plays against the book, but I mostly end up losing money.

 

The house always has the edge when it comes to any casino game, so when someone sits down at the table and plays against the book, they are essentially increasing the casinos edge.

Edited April 2, 2015 by chrismakris

[gek]

[quote name='chrismakris']
Not playing by the book does affect the outcome and fortunes of all involved. I find that most people that play the "wrong way" are out on the night having a good time and wanna part with their money quickly.

[/QUOTE]

Of course it affects the outcome. Having an empty seat affects the outcome too. If someone sits down and plays "by the book" they also would affect the outcome.

Simply put, your chances of winning are just as likely to be affected by a poor player as they are by a good player, or even an empty seat. You might as well sit there shaking your fist at the empty seat next to you whenever you lose.

[waterbug123]

[quote name='chrismakris']
I have seen many times when a player plays "poorly" that they do win money to start but [B]the odds eventually do catch up with them and they leave the table with less money [/B]than what they started with. I can say that [B]I've been on the good side of the ledger when someone plays against the book, but I mostly end up losing money.
[/B]
[/quote]

The odds will eventually catch up with everyone, and you will "mostly end up losing money" no matter whether someone plays the book or not, whether you start out winning or not, etc. Ultimately, the house always wins. But if it makes you feel better to blame it on how others play, so be it. ;)

[ghstudio]

[quote name='chrismakris']

The house always has the edge when it comes to any casino game, so when someone sits down at the table and plays against the book, they are essentially increasing the casinos edge.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but only for that one player. It has no relevance, statistically, on the other players at the table....unless they are card counting

[boscobeans]

[quote name='flames9']We have the tipping police..dress police and now the blackjack police!! :D:D[/QUOTE]

I wonder if they give lectures at the track when someone plays a longshot?

Casinos make lots of money on those who "play by the odds."

Who cares, I smile and go on playing.

OMO

[DYKWIA]

[quote name='waterbug123']The odds will eventually catch up with everyone, and you will "mostly end up losing money" no matter whether someone plays the book or not, ....[/QUOTE]


Hmmmm, out of everyone I've spoken to I'm the only one who has ever left a Casino / Vegas down. Everyone else, invariably, is always "about even" or "slightly up" :D Edited April 2, 2015 by DYKWIA