Celebrity Cruises Swaps Formal Nights for Evening Chic

[sr4mjc]

All they've done is update the policy to match how people were dressing anyway. Want to wear a formal gown? Great! If not, just look presentable and we will welcome you that way too. Seems logical to me. Much ado IMO.

[Adidas4fun]

No, but they caved to the people who had other options available on Formal nights.

 

Yeh, the majority should always understand that the tail wags the dog!

[Charles4515]

No, but they caved to the people who had other options available on Formal nights.

 

That is wrong headed thinking but you have the option of dressing the same as you did in the past.

[maynich]

If you have a cruise booked there was an email blast this morning. I got three (three cruises between now and January).

 

We sail in 3 weeks and we didn't get an email. We are very upset with this decision as formal nights are the reason we cruise Celebrity. Formal Chic means dress like any other night as no one is going to want to wear tux and gown and sit with people in jeans. It's badly thought out and now is just smart casual every night.

[maynich]

I just bought 2 fancy dresses for our cruise on Dec 6. l'm still gonna wear them. I may look out of place to some, but I know my husband will be "inspired" by these nice evening duds. Worth it to me. Dress for success, whatever that might mean to you personally.

 

If you're on the far east cruise you won't look out of place because my friend and I will be wearing our new evening dresses and our husbands will be in their dress suits. Our jeans are staying firmly at home with our gardening clothes.

[AtleeH]

What is your definition of "presentable"?

 

My definition of "presentable" would also include an island style shirt, Bermuda shorts, and sandals if sailing in the Caribbean.

 

All they've done is update the policy to match how people were dressing anyway. Want to wear a formal gown? Great! If not, just look presentable and we will welcome you that way too. Seems logical to me. Much ado IMO.

[kruzfab]

Why has this been decided. All cruise lines are there to enjoy and if you don't want to go with the dress code go on another cruise line. Simple. My son and daughter in law were with us in July and one of the highlights was the dressing up on formal nights. They loved it and made the effort. So sorry Celebrity have decided on this but hopefully it will not affect too much.

[Muushka]

I know that this is a big issue for many.

But when you look at all that is going on in the world (Paris comes to mind),

it is a good time to put things in perspective.

[grandgeezer]

They used to. But times changed. And Celebrity, like many lines, will not have a designated formal night after 12/4. So are you saying that after this policy is in place you would expect those who are upset to change their tune? Formal dress will no longer be required. Just as it is no longer required for airline travel or grocery shopping.

 

As far as I know, formal dress was never required for air travel or grocery shopping, people just did it. The people against formal night just don't want to wear their "Sunday go to meetin clothes" As Jed Clampet used to call them.

[JinJunky]

I enjoy getting dressed up for dinner as much as anybody, but I don't enjoy having to pack my tux, a couple of dress shirts, shoes, tie, cummerbund et. al. What with the weight restrictions on luggage at the airlines, unless you want to pay fees for an extra suitcase or ships laundry, it is hard to bring enough clothes for a two week (or more) cruise as it is.

 

If I feel the need to go formal, I do it closer to home.

[BosoxI]

As far as I know, formal dress was never required for air travel or grocery shopping, people just did it. The people against formal night just don't want to wear their "Sunday go to meetin clothes" As Jed Clampet used to call them.

 

There was a book written back in the 70s, I believe, called Dress for Success. The author had done research as to how people are perceived solely on the way they dress. I only remember one example but a man wearing a tan raincoat is treated better than one wearing a black raincoat. I couldn't tell you why, but I could make a good guess. Needless to say, the writer's point, based on considerable research, was the better dressed a person is, the better he will be treated. Times have certainly changed in the ensuing 40 years, but I would be willing to bet than a woman dressed smartly in a nice dress or suit will be treated better than one in shorts and a tank top. Is it fair or reasonable? Probably not, but clothes still make the man, I suspect. It certainly is my experience that is the case.

 

BTW who is Jed Clampett? :confused:

[seapals2]

 

This is from CLIA ... and is just a summary ... The bigger review includes research and if you Google CLIA it provides a lot of interesting reading.

 

Over 20 million cruise passengers ... And 70% opted for a more elegant casual approach in preference to only 20% who preferred formal. Cruise lines can not afford to ignore figures like this.

 

 

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[Fouremco]

There was a book written back in the 70s, I believe, called Dress for Success. The author had done research as to how people are perceived solely on the way they dress. I only remember one example but a man wearing a tan raincoat is treated better than one wearing a black raincoat. I couldn't tell you why, but I could make a good guess. Needless to say, the writer's point, based on considerable research, was the better dressed a person is, the better he will be treated. Times have certainly changed in the ensuing 40 years, but I would be willing to bet than a woman dressed smartly in a nice dress or suit will be treated better than one in shorts and a tank top. Is it fair or reasonable? Probably not, but clothes still make the man, I suspect. It certainly is my experience that is the case.

 

BTW who is Jed Clampett? :confused:

I agree with everything you say, but those supporting the changes aren't dressing for success, they are dressing for dinner while on vacation.

 

Jed was the head of the Clamped family in the TV program Beverly Hillbillies.

[Jobeth66]

As far as I know, formal dress was never required for air travel or grocery shopping, people just did it. The people against formal night just don't want to wear their "Sunday go to meetin clothes" As Jed Clampet used to call them.

 

They were "required" in that they were "expected" to be worn. And now they're not. Because times have changed.

 

That was my point. Nobody is against formal night. They're against being forced to participate in formal night in order to eat in the MDR. Slight, but significant, difference. Celebrity (like many other lines) has listened to what the vast majority of cruisers appear to want and has made formal night optional. Changed the name of it, and relaxed the dress code.

 

Anyone who wants to put on their Sunday go-to-meetin' clothes is more than welcome to do so. And those who don't want to are no longer locked out of ONE venue on the ship.

 

That's what makes this whole thing unfathomable to me. We're talking about one venue - the MDR. Those who are bemoaning the loss of formal attire requirements didn't seem to have their vacations or even their meals ruined by seeing folks in non-formal wear whilst they were headed towards the MDR, or by seeing those folks out and about the ship before & after dinner, in the bars/casino/shops/etc.

 

Years ago, when those who wished to avoid formal night were relegated to the buffet and their cabins, they might have had a point. But when all specialty restaurants are smart casual, when Blu & Luminae are smart casual, when there are no requirements to remain in your formal wear once your MDR meal has concluded (and many of those who 'love to dress up' and who are upset about this change GO BACK TO THEIR CABINS after dinner and get more comfortable for post-meal events), the idea that somehow their entire experience is ruined by seeing someone in slacks & a shirt or a skirt & top instead of a tuxedo or gown rings very, very hollow.

[Fouremco]

I agree with everything you say, but those supporting the changes aren't dressing for success, they are dressing for dinner while on vacation.

 

Jed was the head of the Clamped family in the TV program Beverly Hillbillies.

Missed the spell checker's unfortunate "correction". Clampett family. :)

[surebeatssailing]

Excellent post Jobeth66!!!

[Iamcruzin]

BTW who is Jed Clampett? :confused:

 

The show ran from 1962 - 1971.

Buddy Ebsen was Jed Clampett

 

[wallie5446]

They were "required" in that they were "expected" to be worn. And now they're not. Because times have changed.

 

That was my point. Nobody is against formal night. They're against being forced to participate in formal night in order to eat in the MDR. Slight, but significant, difference. Celebrity (like many other lines) has listened to what the vast majority of cruisers appear to want and has made formal night optional. Changed the name of it, and relaxed the dress code.

 

Anyone who wants to put on their Sunday go-to-meetin' clothes is more than welcome to do so. And those who don't want to are no longer locked out of ONE venue on the ship.

 

That's what makes this whole thing unfathomable to me. We're talking about one venue - the MDR. Those who are bemoaning the loss of formal attire requirements didn't seem to have their vacations or even their meals ruined by seeing folks in non-formal wear whilst they were headed towards the MDR, or by seeing those folks out and about the ship before & after dinner, in the bars/casino/shops/etc.

 

Years ago, when those who wished to avoid formal night were relegated to the buffet and their cabins, they might have had a point. But when all specialty restaurants are smart casual, when Blu & Luminae are smart casual, when there are no requirements to remain in your formal wear once your MDR meal has concluded (and many of those who 'love to dress up' and who are upset about this change GO BACK TO THEIR CABINS after dinner and get more comfortable for post-meal events), the idea that somehow their entire experience is ruined by seeing someone in slacks & a shirt or a skirt & top instead of a tuxedo or gown rings very, very hollow.

 

This should be the defining statement that puts this one to rest.

[richstowe]

This should be the defining statement that puts this one to rest.

Oh sure it will put this topic to rest . Wait were you serious ? :confused:

[BosoxI]

Jed was the head of the Clamped family in the TV program Beverly Hillbillies.

 

Sounds like he was a poor mountaineer, barely kept his family fed:D

[bEwAbG]

The people against formal night just don't want to wear their "Sunday go to meetin clothes" As Jed Clampet used to call them.

 

When did anyone ever wear a tuxedo or formal gown to a church service?!? Never!

[POA1]

When did anyone ever wear a tuxedo or formal gown to a church service?!? Never!

 

Weddings that incorporate a church service. I also accidentally grabbed my tuxedo jacket when getting ready for church one one Sunday. (It was dark and my tux was right next to my blazers.) I didn't realize my error until we were coming home and I was in the sun.

 

So the answer to your question is not Never! The answer to, "When did anyone ever wear a tuxedo or formal gown to a church service?!?" is at least 4 1/2 tines in my case. The half is because I only had the jacket on one of the times.

[LA_Design]

They were "required" in that they were "expected" to be worn. And now they're not. Because times have changed.

 

 

 

That was my point. Nobody is against formal night. They're against being forced to participate in formal night in order to eat in the MDR. Slight, but significant, difference. Celebrity (like many other lines) has listened to what the vast majority of cruisers appear to want and has made formal night optional. Changed the name of it, and relaxed the dress code.

 

 

 

Anyone who wants to put on their Sunday go-to-meetin' clothes is more than welcome to do so. And those who don't want to are no longer locked out of ONE venue on the ship.

 

 

 

That's what makes this whole thing unfathomable to me. We're talking about one venue - the MDR. Those who are bemoaning the loss of formal attire requirements didn't seem to have their vacations or even their meals ruined by seeing folks in non-formal wear whilst they were headed towards the MDR, or by seeing those folks out and about the ship before & after dinner, in the bars/casino/shops/etc.

 

 

 

Years ago, when those who wished to avoid formal night were relegated to the buffet and their cabins, they might have had a point. But when all specialty restaurants are smart casual, when Blu & Luminae are smart casual, when there are no requirements to remain in your formal wear once your MDR meal has concluded (and many of those who 'love to dress up' and who are upset about this change GO BACK TO THEIR CABINS after dinner and get more comfortable for post-meal events), the idea that somehow their entire experience is ruined by seeing someone in slacks & a shirt or a skirt & top instead of a tuxedo or gown rings very, very hollow.

 

 

this poster should be banned. [emoji33]

Never seen as much logic and common sense in one post. [emoji12]

Edited November 14, 2015 by LA_Design

[maynich]

 

This is from CLIA ... and is just a summary ... The bigger review includes research and if you Google CLIA it provides a lot of interesting reading.

 

Over 22 cruise passengers ... And 70% opted for a more elegant casual approach in preference to only 20% who preferred formal. Cruise lines can not afford to ignore figures like this.

 

 

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As over 11.32% cruisers are American then it's obvious that there would be a 70% vote for casual dress. I travel to USA regularly to see my son and family and only take pants and tops. I have even worn Jeans when eating out, something I would never do in England. My smart clothes stay at home they are definitely not needed. Never mind we still have P&O and Cunard who I cannot see dropping their standards.

[LA_Design]

As over 11.32% cruisers are American then it's obvious that there would be a 70% vote for casual dress. I travel to USA regularly to see my son and family and only take pants and tops. I have even worn Jeans when eating out, something I would never do in England. My smart clothes stay at home they are definitely not needed. Never mind we still have P&O and Cunard who I cannot see dropping their standards.

 

 

Sorry how do 11.32% get to become 70 %. ?