Navigator a disappointment- dogs & other issues

[JudyjudyjudyS]

They sneeze:p

:p:p

 

 

Service dogs do not sit on their owner's laps,do they??

 

First pic is in the CL.......the other on the shuttle ..

 

The "dog" issue.......

 

There are a few regular cruisers that cruise with their "Service" Animals. Really any dog could be a service animal if their doctor signs off on it. Some people's dogs are considered service dogs because the owner gets severe anxiety when they are separated from their dog. (I wish I was making that up).

 

As others have said, in the US a business owner can not ask details when someone tells them their dog is a service dog.

 

This could happen on any ship. Recently I encountered one on the Brilliance, and before that on the Grandeur that actually used the casino floor as it's restroom.

 

As far as accommodate goes - the company has no choice. ADA would be all over the company if it didn't accommodate service dogs. And for the many many people who actually have a true need for service dogs I wouldn't want them not to be able to cruise. However, the vast majority of those with the true service dogs - those dogs are very very well behaved!

 

Makes me wonder if the dogs of the regular cruisers would be welcome at the Captain's table.................. If not, then maybe that is the logical basis for a RC policy regarding dogs at the table for all passengers.

[cruisegirl1]

No deal made. They just told us if we want to use both our buy one get one free, it would be a bottle and they would hold it for us. Their idea. We have done this every since with no questions on every cruise until this one. We drink one glass each and then come back later for the next glass. I didn't think anyone was breaking any rule.

 

Thank you so much for the clarification. Even four glasses of a decent poor would still be a reasonable price, especially if you were drinking a higher end bottle.

 

M

[BeachChik]

I've seen dogs being passed as service dogs peeing on the floor, a "real service dog" wouldn't do that, plus it gotten out of control with people bringing pigs and turkeys onto a plane claiming they're an emotional support animal. Give me a break, if you're to afraid to carry on a normal life in public then stay home.

 

This is just people to cheap to pay for someone to board or take care of their animals, I get it, if you don't trust your vet to board them, there are plenty of services available for someone to come into your home and take care of your animal for your week cruise.

 

If you're not blind or deaf or crippled in some manner then why do you need an animal to accompany you on a cruise?

 

While not covered by the ADA there is legitimate value for animals that provide emotional support. Hence why you are now starting to see medical facilities that have a dog or cat that lives on site. To say if you can't carry on a normal life then stay home is so rude. Maybe trying talking to someone that has PTSD, anxiety or any of the many other things that can impair daily functioning so you don't continue to sound like a nasty person.

 

And really calling people crippled. So rude and thoughtless.

[A&L_Ont]

I'm waiting for someone to show up with their service goat, miniature pony, etc... and see what response they get from the cruise lines. Eventually a line will be drawn between the legitimate animals VS someone's foo-foo lap dog that is dressed sharper than others on formal night.

[cruisegirl1]

Makes me wonder if the dogs of the regular cruisers would be welcome at the Captain's table.................. If not, then maybe that is the logical basis for a RC policy regarding dogs at the table for all passengers.

 

We have been on a few cruises where we had encountered a service dog. In most of those instances the dog's owner was either sight impaired or in a wheelchair. The dogs appear to be well-trained, are quiet and do not leave the owners side. We have never seen one of these types of service dogs fed from the table or having free reign of any area of the ship.

 

We did encounter a different experience a few cruises ago. There was a woman who brought her little dog on board, dressed the dog in outfits and pushed the little dog around in a stroller. With very little prompting, the woman would remove the dog from the stroller so other people could see it, pet it or hold it. Fast forward to the morning we were having the "meal with an officer" breakfast. This woman, and her dog are present and she is already seated at a table before we walked into the room. The stroller is next to her, and the little dog is dressed in a sailor outfit. I kid you not. Sorry to say that I sat at a different table. Since each table is hosted by some type of officer, there was an officer at that table, other guests, the woman, and her dog.

 

M

[Clarea]

I'm waiting for someone to show up with their service goat, miniature pony, etc... and see what response they get from the cruise lines. Eventually a line will be drawn between the legitimate animals VS someone's foo-foo lap dog that is dressed sharper than others on formal night.

Agreed.

[Paulette3028]

I was on Enchantment this past week and there was a dog onboard. Don't even get me started on this one... The owner left it in it's room most of the time. We'd hear it bark when we'd walk by the room. The owner was always busy sunning herself and drinking by the pool. I don't know how she even passed it off as a service dog when she never had it with her but a few times...

 

It infuriates me because there are people who legitimately have & need service dogs. These entitled people who buy fake vests online and tell everyone their dog is a service dog, just so they don't have to leave fluffy home. GRRRR.

 

That cruiser was clearly violating specific things mentioned in the listing under Service Animals....and should have been put off at the next port of call for leaving the dog in the cabin unattended.

[Paulette3028]

Thank you Paulette3028!

I was about to type the correct term is person with a disability.

 

You are welcome....after I wrote the post, I wondered if they understood the word 'lexicon'.....and you have now educated them on the correct wording, what a wonderful way to work together.

[LA_CA_GAL]

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Dogs on Navigator: We were in Chops and the table next to us had a dog in the ladies lap eating from the table. Dog was in clothes and a diaper with a toy in its mouth.

 

It is quite possible that the dog was transgenderred and thought itself to be a human toddler.

[Paulette3028]

We just got off the Indy TA and there was a dog there, on a leash. One day we were sunbathing on deck 12 when the couple with the dog walked by. The dog relieved itself just near the running track. The lady walked off with dog and the man stood by, nonchalantly. Eventually the lady came back. I thought she had gone to get something to clear up but no they both walked away. A couple of minutes later a crew member came and wiped up the wee and squirted what I assume to be disinfectant on the deck.

I thought this was gross and lots of people were walking around in bare feet.

 

These people should have been escorted off the ship at the next port of call with pooch. But cruisers have to speak up when offenses like this occur. A true service dog is trained to incredibly hold their bodily needs until they hear a command to take care of their business.

[Clarea]

It is quite possible that the dog was transgenderred and thought itself to be a human toddler.

Excellent, I love it.:D

[nolesrule]

I wish it was as simple as sneezing when it comes to allergies.

 

It wasn't fun spending a New Year's Eve in the hospital with my wife one year because she had a severe asthma attack from dog exposure that neither the preventive nor reaction meds that she carries could stave off.

 

Fortunately that only happens in areas of high concentration of the allergens. Others may not be so lucky with more severe animal allergies.

 

We do understand the need for service dogs, and when we see them we attempt to appreciate their service from a distance.

 

But it just amazes me that there is such a double standard by people with pets and there's a lack of empathy for those with animal allergies.

[Paulette3028]

The "dog" issue.......

 

There are a few regular cruisers that cruise with their "Service" Animals. Really any dog could be a service animal if their doctor signs off on it. Some people's dogs are considered service dogs because the owner gets severe anxiety when they are separated from their dog. (I wish I was making that up).

 

As others have said, in the US a business owner can not ask details when someone tells them their dog is a service dog.

 

This could happen on any ship. Recently I encountered one on the Brilliance, and before that on the Grandeur that actually used the casino floor as it's restroom.

 

As far as accommodate goes - the company has no choice. ADA would be all over the company if it didn't accommodate service dogs. And for the many many people who actually have a true need for service dogs I wouldn't want them not to be able to cruise. However, the vast majority of those with the true service dogs - those dogs are very very well behaved!

 

On one cruise there was a lap service dog. The dog was trained to sniff out sesame oil. The owner had a deadly allergy. Another cruise a small dog was able to tell when the owners blood pressure was elevated. I don't judge. They are there because the cruise line approved them.

 

And a 'true service dog' is properly trained to behave incredibly well in unfamiliar surroundings and to take care of their personal 'business' only when commanded properly to do so, a remarkable skill. The cruise line provides an area for service animals to take care of their 'business', and I would never want to deny a person who truly has a need of a properly trained service animal to be denied the ability to cruise.

 

However, the accommodations being made for those that have a true service animal are one thing, abusing the issue to bring on board a 'poorly/minimally trained pet is another.

 

Royal needs to hold cruisers accountable to the Service Animal guidelines they themselves have listed and if a cruiser cannot abide, have the cruiser and its' pet removed at the next port of call, regardless of what level in C&A that cruiser might be.

[Paulette3028]

It is quite possible that the dog was transgenderred and thought itself to be a human toddler.

 

Trans-specie

[JudyjudyjudyS]

It is quite possible that the dog was transgenderred and thought itself to be a human toddler.

 

OH my gosh you made me laugh. Love it!

[diesel1973]

These posts have been very informative. Have not noticed any dogs onboard except for one cruise where a woman had her "Fifi" laying in the tray of a scooter. One thing for sure is if when checking out my table the first night in the MDR there is a dog bowl as a place setting,straight to the Maitre'd!:eek:

[Ocean Dancer]

I just spent the past hour searching and reading a thread that I remember from a few years ago. This woman may have jumped ship from Holland to Royal .

 

It is very parallel to this thread, but the cruise was 78 days:eek::eek:

 

The captain of the Amsterdam would not even comment. At a question & answer, he said that they talked about what to say if the dog came up, We choose to say nothing, Next question?

 

This starts out slow than gets very funny.....rolling on the floor funny, had some drama and mega info.

 

I post on page 8 to try to lighten things up, but that only lasts a page or two.

You may have to copy and paste to your browser.....happy reading!:)

 

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2132102&highlight=ocean+dancer

[Alaskan Joe]

Where does the dog(s) use the restroom:confused:? On the Oasis and Allure I will guess Central Park??

[Clarea]

Where does the dog(s) use the restroom:confused:? On the Oasis and Allure I will guess Central Park??

In our experience, they have a spot for the dogs on the deck 5 outside promenade.

[twalker002]

JudyjudyjudyS

 

First sorry to hear of the issues on NOS. I saw on your post that you did b2b on two different ships. How did that work as far as transfer from one ship to the other if you don't mind elaborating i am thinking of doing this.

[maryjaden]

Trans-specie

 

Love it!

[Trainman-2]

Here is a photo of my Wife and her trained Service Dog, Booty last week when I took Booty to the hospital to visit her master. You can see the love and devotion in her eyes!

 

 

We don't take Booty on Cruises because of the large crowds which sometime upset her. We are lucky to have a place that will board her properly near our home.

 

 

Please don't try to Pet Service Dogs! That is our biggest problem! Booty is very protective and doesn't always know how to react. People trying to be friendly often almost jump out of their drawers when Booty gives them a single, very loud, "Get away from my master!" bark.

 

 

The current trend of "Emotional Support Dogs" is way over used! It is a shame because it brings discredit on real service dogs.

 

 

 

PS - Judith is out of the hospital and doing well!

[CVU]

We have yet to see a "true" service dog on any ship. A true service dog cost's thousand of dollars and actually delivers a service to a person who has a genuine disability. Every dog we have ever seen on a cruise is a very poor substitute for a Teddy Bear for a passenger who obviously has emotional problems. Have no idea why RCI feels compelled to irritate 3,500 passengers to accommodate 1 or 2 wackos, but we wish Miami would come to their senses and stop this nonsense. We are SICK OF IT!!!!!!!!!!

We have seen some true service dogs and you do not know they are there. Not a bark or anything. Extremely well behaved.

In CK this little dog would sit by its Master's feet until it was time to go. Not a peep and you really don't know the dog is there.

 

I would not settle for a barking dog in the cabin next to ours!:eek: Or eating at the table people sit at! Health Dept. should be aware of that!

The whole thing sounds like a lax RCL attitude in enforcing the Service Animal Rules.

[CVU]

In our experience, they have a spot for the dogs on the deck 5 outside promenade.

 

by the steps for the Aqua Stage? on the Walking Track in a small indented area. There is a hand sanitizing machine and a covered garbage can- for the owner to pick up after their animal and dispose of it.

We didn't see the dogs but there were up to 2 boxes of cedar shavings? on our B4B.

[Coralc]

Nope. I still don't care about dogs onboard. Although apparently a lot of people do.

 

One of our clerical staff has a baby carriage dog. I think it is a Pomeranian. I have never seen a dog that looked more like a totally blank slate. When she does bring it to work, briefly, it sits on a wee pad next to her computer...just staring at her or into space. I wouldn't have a weird dog like that, but she loves him. (maybe a little too much :D)

 

What other passengers do is not really of any interest to us. They aren't being loud. They have a dog for whatever reason. They feed it at the table. (so what?) My mother's cats get on the table at her house too. We don't allow it at our house, and put them on the floor, but we are not disgusted or particularly annoyed by it.

 

If the cruise line allows dogs, fine. It doesn't affect us. It just doesn't seem like that big a deal.