Smoking On Your Balcony But Our Vacation!!

[troykahack]

Disagree! Again I can think where to hide or not hide an empty glass used for an ash try. How do you know the cabin steward doesn't smoke? That's who you were posting about.

 

How do you conceal the smell?? Nothing worse than a dirty ash tray or whatever.

[reallyitsmema]

How do you conceal the smell?? Nothing worse than a dirty ash tray or whatever.

 

Common sense tells you that someone who is trying to conceal smoking is not going to leave the evidence laying around. All they have to do is flush the evidence.

[davekathy]

How do you conceal the smell?? Nothing worse than a dirty ash tray or whatever.

 

No brainer! Flush the butts and wash what ever you are using as an ashtray. Bathroom spray, perfume, cologne all do a fairly good job of masking smells along with the washing. Remember the topic was smoking on the balcony and not in the cabin so no stinky cigarette smell in the cabin .

 

Common sense tells you that someone who is trying to conceal smoking is not going to leave the evidence laying around. All they have to do is flush the evidence.

 

Agree. It's not rocket science is it.

Edited December 14, 2016 by davekathy

[Seville2Cabo]

Addicts will always find a way. Smoking is an addiction

The cruise lines ban smoking in cabins for economic reasons. The cost of cleaning and getting rid of the stink is high. Not to mention guest who request non smoking room. Same as rental cars and hotels. Nothing to do with safety, 100% about cost

 

 

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[shelly66]

I am not a smoker and have never smoked but I don't believe balcony smoking was stopped due to safety. It didn't go into effect until 2014. Was is safe for 40 years and suddenly became unsafe? And smoking is allowed in the casino which is no more safe than balcony smoking.

 

http://www.cruisecritic.com/news/news.cfm?ID=5510

 

There are a lot of things that have always been unsafe but had no regulations for many years. I am not well versed in ship laws of 40 years ago, but were irons or coffee makers allowed 40 years ago? I'm sure there have been many changes due to safety concerns over the years.

 

The thing is in the casino, safe ways to extinguish a cigarette are provided. On a balcony, where there is no safe way provided, I Imagine and have been told the cigarette butt, in an attempt to not be discovered, is tossed into the water. Or is tossed in the air to be more specific, in hopes it will land in the water. There is the difference and I find that unacceptably unsafe.

[BND]

There are a lot of things that have always been unsafe but had no regulations for many years. I am not well versed in ship laws of 40 years ago, but were irons or coffee makers allowed 40 years ago? I'm sure there have been many changes due to safety concerns over the years.

 

The thing is in the casino, safe ways to extinguish a cigarette are provided. On a balcony, where there is no safe way provided, I Imagine and have been told the cigarette butt, in an attempt to not be discovered, is tossed into the water. Or is tossed in the air to be more specific, in hopes it will land in the water. There is the difference and I find that unacceptably unsafe.

 

40 years ago people who cruised didn't expect to make their own coffee or iron their own clothes. Most people who cruised then were expecting full service and that's what they got. As far as cigarettes, I'd be willing to bet that 40 years ago, you could smoke anywhere onboard. Heck, 40 years ago you could skeet shoot and hit golf balls off the back of a ship too. So, yes, things have changed over the years. I do think that smokers 40 years ago had access to ash trays all over the ship so were less likely to do something stupid like toss them overboard. The fact is most people now are educated enough to know they don't want to inhale smoke so areas for smoking have shrunk (which is fine with me).

[rvmike]

As I said on another smoking thread, just take a picture with your phone and head down to GS. If the smoking continues send the pics to a rats A** lawyer. The cruise lines might start to enforce the rules.

[bigbeergut]

Has anyone tried calling Security to your cabin and showing them the smoker on the balcony in addition to telling Guest Services?

[BeachChik]

There are a lot of things that have always been unsafe but had no regulations for many years. I am not well versed in ship laws of 40 years ago, but were irons or coffee makers allowed 40 years ago? I'm sure there have been many changes due to safety concerns over the years.

 

The thing is in the casino, safe ways to extinguish a cigarette are provided. On a balcony, where there is no safe way provided, I Imagine and have been told the cigarette butt, in an attempt to not be discovered, is tossed into the water. Or is tossed in the air to be more specific, in hopes it will land in the water. There is the difference and I find that unacceptably unsafe.

 

When balcony smoking was allowed they provided ashtrays so again no different than smoking on an upper deck. Smoking has become less common for many years. Royal probably got tired of listening to non smokers complain which is why it took until 2014 to stop. Several other lines still allow balcony smoking so again if it were so dangerous it would be banned across the board. And really if royal really felt it was so dangerous they would do more when smokers are reported. All they do is tell them to stop and maybe charge a cleaning fee.

 

You may find it "unacceptably unsafe" but there isn't a single fire on a ship that can attributed to a cigarette. The princess fire was listed as possibly due to a cigarette but even if it was 100% that it did cause a fire, that's one time out of hundreds of ships and thousands and thousands of cruises over 40-50 years. I'm not a math person but I will take those odds.

[Clarea]

Has anyone tried calling Security to your cabin and showing them the smoker on the balcony in addition to telling Guest Services?

I forget which ship, but security is who we were told to call about balcony smokers.

[troykahack]

I forget which ship, but security is who we were told to call about balcony smokers.

 

Might do better than calling Guest Services.

[bigbeergut]

I forget which ship, but security is who we were told to call about balcony smokers.

 

If it were me, I would try to do more than just call. I would get them to my cabin and show them the situation.

[gerif]

I forget which ship, but security is who we were told to call about balcony smokers.

 

How about calling security and tell them something is on fire on the balcony next door? Bet that would get some attention and it's not really a lie.

[troykahack]

How about calling security and tell them something is on fire on the balcony next door? Bet that would get some attention and it's not really a lie.

 

And maybe something burning.... I smell or see something burning...

Edited December 14, 2016 by troykahack

[3XX1XY]

Thank you for your medical opinion. DH has COPD and suffers terribly if confronted with smoke. I have no doubt but that the prolonged exposure OP's partner was subjected to would have put him in the hospital. FYI, he is slightly underweight.

 

OP - you were more than patient than this Italian from Jersey ever would have been. Hmm, smoke on the next balcony - must be a fire! And I would have acted accordingly - ice bucked, water - AND an urgent call to security.

 

Must be an italian thing. I call security and tell them that I can see and smell smoke while out on my balcony. If they ask about what it smells like I tell them "smoke, I dunno, you come check it out and tell ME". lol.

 

It has worked every time. They take random smoke smells very seriously on a cruise ships as a large fire is one of the few things that could kill everyone on board.

[troykahack]

Must be an italian thing. I call security and tell them that I can see and smell smoke while out on my balcony. If they ask about what it smells like I tell them "smoke, I dunno, you come check it out and tell ME". lol.

 

It has worked every time. They take random smoke smells very seriously on a cruise ships as a large fire is one of the few things that could kill everyone on board.

 

Interesting.... we NEVER saw anyone smoking on their balconies for the 11 night Serenade but.... saw them all over the place on 4 day Enchantment. Never smelled the smoke but easy to see the glow of butts during the wee hours.

 

It was also horrible on the Elevators of those smoking at the Casino Bar and then running out to the Elevator. I mentioned one time, I said, boy, someone is a smoker.... a lady acknowledged that she didn't smoke but she sat at the Casino Bar while he smoked a half a pack of smokes. (Her words). I told her she brought some of that smoke with her. Everyone in the Elevator told her they could smell it. I asked her does he play (meaning in the Casino), she replied no, but that is the only indoor smoking area???

Edited December 14, 2016 by troykahack

[Fred the ferret lover]

And maybe something burning.... I smell or see something burning...

 

Just hope there is no emergency while they are tending to your nuisance call!

[troykahack]

Just hope there is no emergency while they are tending to your nuisance call!

 

A nuisance call? So breaking the rules is just a nuisance??

 

Sounds like those blocking roads and protesting, just a nuisance so go for it....

 

I would think that the OP and others with breathing issues wouldn't think it to be a nuisance but an EMERGENCY.

Edited December 14, 2016 by troykahack

[BeachChik]

A nuisance call? So breaking the rules is just a nuisance??

 

Sounds like those blocking roads and protesting, just a nuisance so go for it....

 

I would think that the OP and others with breathing issues wouldn't think it to be a nuisance but an EMERGENCY.

 

Calling and saying that you see and smell smoke makes you no better than the person smoking. You are implying that the ship is on fire to get a faster response and it's juvenile.

 

You clearly need to look up the definition of emergency. This reminds me of the things you see on the news where some moron calls 911 for something ridiculous.

[Aquahound]

And maybe something burning.... I smell or see something burning...

 

I'm with you on your disdain for rule breakers and the stench of cigarette smoke, but please do not do this. As someone who has served on a ship and done numerous fire drills, this sort of false reporting can not only cause undue stress and possibly injury to the responding crew, but it could also result in felony charges.

[troykahack]

Calling and saying that you see and smell smoke makes you no better than the person smoking. You are implying that the ship is on fire to get a faster response and it's juvenile.

 

You clearly need to look up the definition of emergency. This reminds me of the things you see on the news where some moron calls 911 for something ridiculous.

 

So, how would you handle smokers on balconies?? Seems letting Guest Services is not help.... many warnings and a cleaning fee most can get off their bill....

 

I am willing to listen?

[troykahack]

Just hope there is no emergency while they are tending to your nuisance call!

 

And as well to you....

 

Same question...

 

How would you handle smoking on the balcony, knowing that it takes numerous warnings and then a small cleaning fee that is likely to be removed from the bill??

[BeachChik]

So, how would you handle smokers on balconies?? Seems letting Guest Services is not help.... many warnings and a cleaning fee most can get off their bill....

 

I am willing to listen?

 

I would complain to guest services once or twice. If they didn't take care of it I would probably let it go because I wouldn't want it to ruin my vacation by fighting over it the entire time. When I got home I would probably write a letter and I would consider other cruise lines for any future cruises.

 

Of course I think smokers should follow the rules but I refuse to spend an entire vacation complaining to guest services and being angry about it. At some point you have to accept that you can't control everything and make a choice to deal with it or find a cruise line that will handle it if it were to happen again. Other lines are much more strict about their rules being followed. If this was a deal breaker I would look at sailing with them in the future.

[troykahack]

I would complain to guest services once or twice. If they didn't take care of it I would probably let it go because I wouldn't want it to ruin my vacation by fighting over it the entire time. When I got home I would probably write a letter and I would consider other cruise lines for any future cruises.

 

Of course I think smokers should follow the rules but I refuse to spend an entire vacation complaining to guest services and being angry about it. At some point you have to accept that you can't control everything and make a choice to deal with it or find a cruise line that will handle it if it were to happen again. Other lines are much more strict about their rules being followed. If this was a deal breaker I would look at sailing with them in the future.

 

Thank you...

 

I least you have an action plan.... I don't let it ruin our cruise, I play a lot in the Casino.... stay just long enough until the smoke bothers me... but others can't do that...

 

I have written and talked to many people with Royal... suggesting that we choose another Cruise Line shouldn't be an option..

 

I saw several people smoking on the balconies but couldn't nail down their cabin, so I said nothing... no smoke into our balcony.. should someone smoke in the adjacent balcony, that might be a different story...

 

I have said it before, until such time as Royal quits warning, nothing will happen. Make it a huge fine first offense, $1000. Second off the ship. Put it in the cruise contracts.

[mizLORInj]

There was indeed a fire on a ship that was due to a cigarette just earlier this year.

 

It was on Carnival Sunshine the week before I boarded (September 2016).

 

Someone flicked their lit cigarette overboard (still amazes me someone would do this) and it landed on someone's balcony below and caught a towel on fire.

 

And just because the Star Princess fire was never publicly declared to be due to a cigarette does not mean a cigarette wasn't the cause.