BoiiMcFly Posted January 7, 2017 #1 Share Posted January 7, 2017 (edited) Is the amount of pollution and waste they produce. I find ships amazing, but I really wish they could be a lot more environmentally friendly. Sometimes that makes me not want to cruise. Has this affected anyone's decision about whether to cruise or not? Edited January 7, 2017 by BoiiMcFly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rguy123 Posted January 7, 2017 #2 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Maybe the ship pollution is offset by all the passengers not driving while onboard. Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatbush Flyer Posted January 7, 2017 #3 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Is the amount of pollution and waste they produce. I find ships amazing, but I really wish they could be a lot more environmentally friendly. Sometimes that makes me not want to cruise. Has this affected anyone's decision about whether to cruise or not? Zero sum game here. In fact, the ship is far less impactful than the equivalent number of passengers and crew once back in their own home. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted January 7, 2017 #4 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Could you cite some examples of waste and pollution, so that maybe we can dispel some myths, or at least give examples of what measures are being undertaken that you may not be aware of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquahound Posted January 7, 2017 #5 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Has this affected anyone's decision about whether to cruise or not? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morganjannelle Posted January 7, 2017 #6 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Give this a read, it may help you feel a little better: http://www.cruisecritic.com/articles.cfm?ID=528 Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navybankerteacher Posted January 7, 2017 #7 Share Posted January 7, 2017 The two-to-three thousand people on a typical cruise ship are going to vacation one way or another. Think about the carbon footprint they would leave if they did it in their own cars. Think of the McDonald's wrappers and soft drink and beer cans they would leave in their wake - compared with what is controlled and either recycled or efficiently disposed of on a ship. Sure, our planet would be cleaner and greener if people spent their vacations in their back yards - raising turnips and eco-friendly quinoa - but what they will do without cruise ships - in real life - should give you greater cause for concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leaveitallbehind Posted January 7, 2017 #8 Share Posted January 7, 2017 (edited) Is the amount of pollution and waste they produce. I find ships amazing, but I really wish they could be a lot more environmentally friendly.Sometimes that makes me not want to cruise. Has this affected anyone's decision about whether to cruise or not? Such as? More environmentally friendly - in what way are they failing now? Factual examples would help support your comments to be more credible - not just your opinion or speculation on another post again, please. Edited January 7, 2017 by leaveitallbehind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyboy Posted January 7, 2017 #9 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Is the amount of pollution and waste they produce. I find ships amazing, but I really wish they could be a lot more environmentally friendly. Sometimes that makes me not want to cruise. Has this affected anyone's decision about whether to cruise or not? Not at all. Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoiiMcFly Posted January 7, 2017 Author #10 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Such as? More environmentally friendly - in what way are they failing now? Factual examples would help support your comments to be more credible - not just your opinion or speculation on another post again, please. Here are some facts to back up my opinion: https://www.google.com/amp/www.ibtimes.com/cruise-ship-pollution-cruise-sewage-air-pollution-rising-concern-ships-sail-toward-2380131%3famp=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cb at sea Posted January 8, 2017 #11 Share Posted January 8, 2017 If you are opposed to the "pollution" ...don't cruise...cruisers only ADD to the effect you find distasteful. You can't change the world...you can only do YOUR part...so don't cruise. Very simple! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagsfan Posted January 8, 2017 #12 Share Posted January 8, 2017 What is ibtimes? I clicked on the link on my phone but got nothing. Sometimes a ship will be fined for polluting, usually because of a systems failure. Either they are self reporting or they are being watched. Either way, I would say the cruise lines are environmentally aware and have cut back any pollution tremendously in the last 20-30 years. Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted January 8, 2017 #13 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Here are some facts to back up my opinion: https://www.google.com/amp/www.ibtimes.com/cruise-ship-pollution-cruise-sewage-air-pollution-rising-concern-ships-sail-toward-2380131%3famp=1 I've got a few moments to answer this quickly, currently bringing my ship into Charleston. First off, FOE has a decided agenda, and many of their "facts" are slanted or just incorrect. Take the "The average cruise ship, which carries around 3,000 passengers and crew members, produces about 21,000 gallons of sewage every day — enough to fill 10 backyard swimming pools in a week, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency estimated in 2008". What they don't mention is that every drop of that sewage has to be treated to at least the same standards as waste water in the US, and in most cases, even back in 2008, to near drinking water status. Since then, more and more ships are installing "Advanced Waste Water Treatment Systems", at costs of several million dollars per ship, to treat every drop of waste water to clear, fresh drinking water standards. Next, take the statements about Crystal's NorthWest Passage cruise. What they conveniently forget to mention, amidst their talk of soot and sulfur dioxide, is that the entire cruise was done within the 200 mile limit of the North American ECA, so the entire cruise was done on marine diesel fuel, which meets the most stringent maritime industry standards, the US EPA for NOX, SOX, and soot emissions, as opposed to the residual fuel oil that FOE talks about with regards to these pollutants. As CLIA is quoted in the article, the cruise lines are spending a billion on waste water treatment plants, exhaust scrubbers, and all the other advanced technology that is required in today's tight regulatory environment. Why do I say that FOE has an agenda? Because cruise ships account for about 1% of the world's shipping, but tend to spend the most money on environmental management, by far. Why doesn't FOE complain about the vast numbers of cargo ships that ply the world's oceans burning residual fuel without scrubbers, and at high sulfur levels? Because then their Mercedes SUV's and Iphones would cost more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leaveitallbehind Posted January 8, 2017 #14 Share Posted January 8, 2017 I've got a few moments to answer this quickly, currently bringing my ship into Charleston. First off, FOE has a decided agenda, and many of their "facts" are slanted or just incorrect. Take the "The average cruise ship, which carries around 3,000 passengers and crew members, produces about 21,000 gallons of sewage every day — enough to fill 10 backyard swimming pools in a week, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency estimated in 2008". What they don't mention is that every drop of that sewage has to be treated to at least the same standards as waste water in the US, and in most cases, even back in 2008, to near drinking water status. Since then, more and more ships are installing "Advanced Waste Water Treatment Systems", at costs of several million dollars per ship, to treat every drop of waste water to clear, fresh drinking water standards. Next, take the statements about Crystal's NorthWest Passage cruise. What they conveniently forget to mention, amidst their talk of soot and sulfur dioxide, is that the entire cruise was done within the 200 mile limit of the North American ECA, so the entire cruise was done on marine diesel fuel, which meets the most stringent maritime industry standards, the US EPA for NOX, SOX, and soot emissions, as opposed to the residual fuel oil that FOE talks about with regards to these pollutants. As CLIA is quoted in the article, the cruise lines are spending a billion on waste water treatment plants, exhaust scrubbers, and all the other advanced technology that is required in today's tight regulatory environment. Why do I say that FOE has an agenda? Because cruise ships account for about 1% of the world's shipping, but tend to spend the most money on environmental management, by far. Why doesn't FOE complain about the vast numbers of cargo ships that ply the world's oceans burning residual fuel without scrubbers, and at high sulfur levels? Because then their Mercedes SUV's and Iphones would cost more. Thanks for the excellent and fact based response. At least the OP decided to provide the link to the information on which he is basing his (and in his words) "opinion". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leaveitallbehind Posted January 8, 2017 #15 Share Posted January 8, 2017 (edited) Here are some facts to back up my opinion: https://www.google.com/amp/www.ibtimes.com/cruise-ship-pollution-cruise-sewage-air-pollution-rising-concern-ships-sail-toward-2380131%3famp=1 Should have included this with your original comments. But at least now we can see where you are getting your information from. As chengkp75 pointed out, not sure how accurate - or objective - the "facts" are, however..... Edited January 8, 2017 by leaveitallbehind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davekathy Posted January 8, 2017 #16 Share Posted January 8, 2017 ...Has this affected anyone's decision about whether to cruise or not? Nope!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIATPAC29 Posted January 8, 2017 #17 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Boii---sorry pal,it looks like the lame pc crowd took the night off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIATPAC29 Posted January 8, 2017 #18 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Sorry pal, it seems the pc crowd has taken the night off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warm Breezes Posted January 8, 2017 #19 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Never gave it a thought let alone let it influence my vacation decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chong67 Posted January 8, 2017 #20 Share Posted January 8, 2017 I saw large large amount of food wasted by people taking too much or too big of a portion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUT2407 Posted January 8, 2017 #21 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Silly thread of the week award, if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryjaden Posted January 8, 2017 #22 Share Posted January 8, 2017 I do not Ponder this prior to my vacation. Though I will say after the All Access tour I did on Oasis, I was impressed with how much the ship was doing to be environmentally friendly and the processing systems they have on the ship for a variety of discharges and wastes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoiiMcFly Posted January 8, 2017 Author #23 Share Posted January 8, 2017 (edited) Here is a list of the best/worst cruise ships concerning eco-friendliness. http://www.foe.org/cruise-report-card Edited January 8, 2017 by BoiiMcFly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmazedByCruising Posted January 8, 2017 #24 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Is the amount of pollution and waste they produce. I find ships amazing, but I really wish they could be a lot more environmentally friendly. Sometimes that makes me not want to cruise. Has this affected anyone's decision about whether to cruise or not? All cruises I've been on couldn't stop talking about how they want to protect the environment, how much they invested in this and that, and I really couldn't care less. On a ship I don't feel like being on a floating Chernobyl. Nor do I think cruiseships add much to pollution in general. Obviously, cruises are expensive and a luxury we could survive without, which makes cruiselines low hanging fruit for environmentalist campaigners. The ocean itself would probably hardly notice cruiseships exist. Submarine vulcanos erupting probably do more damage (measured in sulfur, CO2, etc) than all ships combined and the ocean can handle that just like it did 50 million years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leaveitallbehind Posted January 8, 2017 #25 Share Posted January 8, 2017 (edited) Here is a list of the best/worst cruise ships concerning eco-friendliness. http://www.foe.org/cruise-report-card ...again, same questionable source. I'll take the information presented by chengkp75 as accurate. But based on you prior threads I'm sure the facts won't sway your opinion. :rolleyes: Edited January 8, 2017 by leaveitallbehind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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