Rare ontheweb Posted April 13, 2020 #126 Share Posted April 13, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 8:12 PM, bluesea321 said: I don't disagree with your other comments but there have been far more than 4 ships affected by COVID. Here is a list from the CDC only counting US ports, not others like the Diamond, Coral, or Ruby Princess which were international. Cruise Ships Affected by COVID-19 These are cruise ships that had voyages with US ports, which are under US CDC jurisdiction. International voyages without US ports of call are not under CDC jurisdiction and not included. Cruise Ships Affected by COVID-19 Ship name Voyage Start Date Voyage End Date Carnival Imagination 5-Mar 8-Mar Carnival Valor 29-Feb 5-Mar Carnival Valor 5-Mar 9-Mar Carnival Valor 9-Mar 14-Mar Carnival Vista 15-Feb 22-Feb Carnival Vista 29-Feb 7-Mar Celebrity Infinity 5-Mar 9-Mar Celebrity Eclipse* 2-Mar 30-Mar Celebrity Reflection 13-Mar 17-Mar Celebrity Summit 29-Feb 7-Mar Crown Princess 6-Mar 16-Mar Disney Wonder 28-Feb 2-Mar Disney Wonder* 6-Mar 20-Mar Grand Princess 11-Feb 21-Feb Grand Princess* 21-Feb 7-Mar MSC Meraviglia 1-Mar 8-Mar Norwegian Bliss* 1-Mar 8-Mar Norwegian Bliss 8-Mar 15-Mar Norwegian Breakaway 29-Feb 7-Mar Norwegian Breakaway* 7-Mar 14-Mar Norwegian Pride of America* 29-Feb 7-Mar Oceania Riviera* 26-Feb 11-Mar RCCL Explorer of Seas 8-Mar 15-Mar RCCL Liberty of the Seas* 15-Mar 29-Mar RCCL Majesty of the Seas* 29-Feb 7-Mar RCCL Oasis of the Seas* 8-Mar 15-Mar RCCL Symphony of the Seas* 7-Mar 14-Mar https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/cruise-ship/what-cdc-is-doing.html I assume there is no way of knowing how many airplanes had passengers with the coronavirus aboard. They are the ones that brought this into the USA. The NY metropolitan region with 3 international airports is now the epicenter of the virus. It seems to have started in the USA on the west coast, probably from Chinese coming on planes before China allowed the information out about the virus. The state of Washington, with an international airport in Seattle, seemed to be the first state with a significant population with the virus. San Francisco, also with an international airport, was one of the first cities locked down. But, I guess this does not make good news footage like showing a cruise ship and telling the plight of their passengers. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted April 13, 2020 #127 Share Posted April 13, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 9:29 PM, Elaine5715 said: There is growing evidence that the virus was on the west coast in January thus cruisers passing thru would have been exposed. You are saying the virus moved from west coast to east coast due to cruising....are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted April 13, 2020 #128 Share Posted April 13, 2020 2 hours ago, ontheweb said: I assume there is no way of knowing how many airplanes had passengers with the coronavirus aboard. They are the ones that brought this into the USA. The NY metropolitan region with 3 international airports is now the epicenter of the virus. It seems to have started in the USA on the west coast, probably from Chinese coming on planes before China allowed the information out about the virus. The state of Washington, with an international airport in Seattle, seemed to be the first state with a significant population with the virus. San Francisco, also with an international airport, was one of the first cities locked down. But, I guess this does not make good news footage like showing a cruise ship and telling the plight of their passengers. Cruising has become the evil ugly stepchild of the cdc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNcruising02 Posted April 13, 2020 #129 Share Posted April 13, 2020 I read that it was brought to the west coast by international travel from China and brought to the east coast, New York, by international travel from Europe. That makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ontheweb Posted April 14, 2020 #130 Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 hour ago, TNcruising02 said: I read that it was brought to the west coast by international travel from China and brought to the east coast, New York, by international travel from Europe. That makes sense. But if you just follow the CDC, those must have been flying cruise ships! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LaRue1975 Posted April 14, 2020 #131 Share Posted April 14, 2020 2 hours ago, jimbo5544 said: Cruising has become the evil ugly stepchild of the cdc Yes, and cruise lovers have been tossed into the basket of deplorables. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xDisconnections Posted April 14, 2020 #132 Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 hour ago, ontheweb said: But if you just follow the CDC, those must have been flying cruise ships! Carnival Air Lines made a return? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elaine5715 Posted April 14, 2020 #133 Share Posted April 14, 2020 3 hours ago, jimbo5544 said: You are saying the virus moved from west coast to east coast due to cruising....are you? What are you saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ontheweb Posted April 14, 2020 #134 Share Posted April 14, 2020 8 hours ago, xDisconnections said: Carnival Air Lines made a return? No, I think it was their two subsidiaries, Princess Airlines and Holland America Airlines. Princess and Holland America are getting the bulk of the bad publicity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted April 14, 2020 #135 Share Posted April 14, 2020 8 hours ago, Elaine5715 said: What are you saying? I am saying it did not come from that. Air travel from many places into New York area, mostly deferredflyers that came other routes once we closed China and then from Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joebucks Posted April 14, 2020 #136 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Myths and perceptions rule the world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted April 14, 2020 #137 Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Joebucks said: Myths and perceptions rule the world. Pretty sure we are in free fall right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted April 14, 2020 #138 Share Posted April 14, 2020 3 hours ago, ontheweb said: No, I think it was their two subsidiaries, Princess Airlines and Holland America Airlines. Princess and Holland America are getting the bulk of the bad publicity. It is close to unbelievable, more like a bod horror story but true. I am not sure the Princess name will survive, hope I am wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted April 14, 2020 #139 Share Posted April 14, 2020 11 hours ago, Elaine5715 said: What are you saying? The three European and Middle East hot spots have enormous financial ties tot he Wuhan district and their were literally hundreds of flights while China withheld information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattanchair Posted April 22, 2020 #140 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) The main intent of the 100 day CDC order on page 1 is basically just 2 points. One to prevent further sick on board ships from entering into the US (citizens or not); and second, preserving the critical resources of Federal, State and local governments and hospitals. The US just wants the CLIA to pick up the responsibility for the care and treatment outside the US and to pick up the bill. How they do it is for the cruise industry to figure out and present it to the CDC for approval. This order will probably become a rule for years to come. Edited April 22, 2020 by rattanchair 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cafedumonde Posted April 22, 2020 #141 Share Posted April 22, 2020 On 4/13/2020 at 6:49 PM, jimbo5544 said: Cruising has become the evil ugly stepchild of the cdc Cruising is taking the CDC down, showing how inept they are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiioman46 Posted April 22, 2020 #142 Share Posted April 22, 2020 1 hour ago, rattanchair said: will probably become a rule for years to come. No, it was for 100 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobeth66 Posted April 23, 2020 #143 Share Posted April 23, 2020 No, it was for 100 days. I think they mean that the requirements under the order will be the rule for years to come. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattanchair Posted April 23, 2020 #144 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Reading the No-Sail-Order it appears ,IMHO, that cruises could begin sooner than 100 days if the CLIA comes up with a plan that relieves the US of any covid passengers from re-entering the US and they take responsibility for their care, treatment and repatriation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skridge Posted April 23, 2020 #145 Share Posted April 23, 2020 On 4/9/2020 at 8:42 PM, PhillyFan33579 said: The CDC no sail order for 100 days should help people on this board understand there are not going to be any cruises any time soon. Lots of people on this board have criticized people like me for being negative for stating the obvious that no cruise line is going to resume operations in the near future. There is a big difference between being negative and accepting the reality of the world we are currently living in and the COVID virus impacting everyone. It is amazing the number of people on the boards with a head in the sand mentality. I love cruising, but I don't understand why the suspension of disbelief from so many on these forums. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeFromConnecticut Posted April 23, 2020 #146 Share Posted April 23, 2020 1 hour ago, skridge said: It is amazing the number of people on the boards with a head in the sand mentality. I love cruising, but I don't understand why the suspension of disbelief from so many on these forums. Fresh data that might temper some of the "optimism" - at least for those interested in reality. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article241914096.html The only people to really be concerned about here are the easily influenced, relatively new cruise fans. It would be shameful if in a few months they've joined the legion of anxious, dissatisfied customers wondering why their trip was canceled ... and why getting a prompt refund turns out to be next to impossible. The people I'm thinking of are the ones who got enough of a taste of cruise ship life to want more - and now are almost desperate to turn back the clock to January. They may be looking to these forums for guidance; the answer they want doesn't line up with what they read and see in the mainstream media or with what's actually happening around them. Should they indulge their hopes and book, or should they swallow hard and accept the difficult truth? Sooo ... it would be sad to think of them coming here, reading a string of "optimistic" posts & then letting themselves believe the fantasy. Especially if they send in money for a cruise that simply isn't going to sail. "Sounds like nothing's wrong, honey. We can probably be celebrating at a sailaway by August! Let's book now." July comes, that family gets the inevitable "Sorry, your trip is canceled" notice ... and all their happy anticipation collapses. Now, disappointed, they join the rear of the long line of people trying to get their money back. And just maybe, they realize the industry has played them. (If the financial collapse has rocked their own family by then, that outcome is even more grim.) This is why unfounded optimism usually proves to be a destructive, negative force. If the outlook for cruising in the foreseeable future looked bright, the realists here would say so. I believe if conditions magically do a 180 next month, the realists here will change our forecast. However, a dispassionate look at the facts makes completely clear one thing: cruising will not happen any time in the near future. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LMaxwell Posted April 23, 2020 #147 Share Posted April 23, 2020 CLIA has submitted two proposals that didn't satisfy the CDC. Did they ever submit a third proposal after the April 9/April 15 order was published? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted April 24, 2020 #148 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 hour ago, LMaxwell said: CLIA has submitted two proposals that didn't satisfy the CDC. Did they ever submit a third proposal after the April 9/April 15 order was published? Since the date is still 2 months away, what’s the rush? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattanchair Posted April 24, 2020 #149 Share Posted April 24, 2020 16 hours ago, jimbo5544 said: Since the date is still 2 months away, what’s the rush? They were given 7 days from the second "Framework" proposal April 9. Read the No-Sail-Order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattanchair Posted April 24, 2020 #150 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Here is my hope. Cruise lines stepped up to the plate after the Achille Lauro terrorist attack and put in place protocols that to this day have worked. Today the cruise lines have another 'terrorist', Covid and all its cousins to come. They can stick their heads in the sand and hope it goes away for now or they can be proactive and instead of building 2 or 3 more ships put the money into protocols that make cruising the safest, most sterile mode of travel. One in which people book 100 day cruises to 'no-where' to avoid a future pandemic, knowing that cruise ships have become a 'safe' haven. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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