woodscruise Posted April 27, 2020 #1 Share Posted April 27, 2020 An interesting article written by former commodore of Cunard Christopher Rynd. https://www.maritime-executive.com/editorials/a-cruise-liner-captain-s-perspective-on-recent-events 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaDog-46 Posted April 27, 2020 #2 Share Posted April 27, 2020 THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A CRUISE / LINER - it is an oxymoron invented by lazy ignorant media. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare lyndarra Posted April 28, 2020 #3 Share Posted April 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, SeaDog-46 said: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A CRUISE / LINER - it is an oxymoron invented by lazy ignorant media. You are correct but you're banging your head against a brick wall. Stop it now or you'll give yourself a headache. You've got as much chance of them changing their ways as you have of getting people to stop calling ships boats. I even cringe when I hear of people reported as using oars instead of paddles, but I try not to dwell on it for any longer than a nanosecond or two. And there are those that think Morse code is a system of dots and dashes but is it? It is not. End of pendant rant. I feel better now.🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaDog-46 Posted April 28, 2020 #4 Share Posted April 28, 2020 lyndarra - you forgot to put the word ignorant in above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondFour Posted April 28, 2020 #5 Share Posted April 28, 2020 He wrote a good article. I am pretty sure he used to be a Captain for Princess at one stage as his name sounds very familiar and I am almost certain he was a Captain on one of the cruise ships I have been on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By The Bay Posted April 28, 2020 #6 Share Posted April 28, 2020 36 minutes ago, DiamondFour said: He wrote a good article. I am pretty sure he used to be a Captain for Princess at one stage as his name sounds very familiar and I am almost certain he was a Captain on one of the cruise ships I have been on. You could be right. Google found this: “In the later years of his career, Commodore Rynd was most closely associated with Cunard but he also introduced many thousands of Australians to cruising at the helm of P&O Cruises and Princess Cruises vessels." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Kruzer Posted April 28, 2020 #7 Share Posted April 28, 2020 1 hour ago, SeaDog-46 said: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A CRUISE / LINER - it is an oxymoron invented by lazy ignorant media. Noun 1. cruise liner - a passenger ship used commercially for pleasurecruises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By The Bay Posted April 28, 2020 #8 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Just now, Kiwi Kruzer said: Noun 1. cruise liner - a passenger ship used commercially for pleasurecruises Used so often that it has become accepted as correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare lyndarra Posted April 28, 2020 #9 Share Posted April 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, By The Bay said: Used so often that it has become accepted as correct. It has become generic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Big_M Posted April 28, 2020 #10 Share Posted April 28, 2020 That's the descriptivist environment. Words change meaning over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VK3DQ Posted April 28, 2020 #11 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) A Liner is a ship that operates on a Regular LIne Voyage as opposed to a Tramp Steamer that picks up cargo / passengers according to demand a Cruiser has large guns there were some Liners that operated cruises at the latter parts of their lives here in Australia Oriana 1 would be an example Cruise Ship would be the correct description for our modern flat bottom cruise barges Regards John Edited April 28, 2020 by VK3DQ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted April 28, 2020 #12 Share Posted April 28, 2020 9 hours ago, woodscruise said: An interesting article written by former commodore of Cunard Christopher Rynd. https://www.maritime-executive.com/editorials/a-cruise-liner-captain-s-perspective-on-recent-events Informative article. cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted April 28, 2020 #13 Share Posted April 28, 2020 9 hours ago, SeaDog-46 said: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A CRUISE / LINER - it is an oxymoron invented by lazy ignorant media. QM2 is a liner and does cruises, surely that is a cruise liner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted April 28, 2020 #14 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Found this, https://www.qm2.org.uk/captain_cr.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boeckli Posted April 28, 2020 #15 Share Posted April 28, 2020 We sailed with Capt. Rynd on Pacific Princess (I think 2006) and distinctly remember his informative commentary as we transited the Woodin Canal at the Southern end of New Caledonia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VK3DQ Posted April 28, 2020 #16 Share Posted April 28, 2020 5 hours ago, MicCanberra said: QM2 is a liner and does cruises, surely that is a cruise liner. Sorry No when a liner ceases her regular services and operates cruises she is no longer a Liner she is a cruise ship The LINE refers to the regular LINE Voyage ... Hope this explains it Regards John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VK3DQ Posted April 28, 2020 #17 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) Liners I think Orient Line Orsova, Orion , Otranto and Oriana (1) .... Orient Line 20,000 Tonners Oh dear I am showing my age badly ... must be the woopie pills Oriana was of course 42,000 Tonnes , a wonderful ship I had the great pleasure of a return trip MEL to SOTN and then later when my Children were old enough a 12 day Cruise to the Pacific Islands ..yes a wonderful ship Regards John Edited April 28, 2020 by VK3DQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted April 28, 2020 #18 Share Posted April 28, 2020 https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-ocean-liner-and-vs-cruise-ship/ QM2 is definitely a ocean liner in build and has previously done the journeys as described. As it now operates as a cruise ship for many of it's journeys, I have no issue with the QM2 being labelled as a Cruise liner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaDog-46 Posted April 28, 2020 #19 Share Posted April 28, 2020 NO - Mic QM2 is only one or the other & really we are not talking about that but the ignorant ones who use those 2 words that make it an oxymoron. Invented by lazy media that we know nothing about the suject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Kruzer Posted April 28, 2020 #20 Share Posted April 28, 2020 QM2 is a unique build and deserves her own title. She is a liner what cruises.....a one off ..... a true cruise liner , the likes of which we will never see ever again . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VK3DQ Posted April 29, 2020 #21 Share Posted April 29, 2020 48 minutes ago, Kiwi Kruzer said: QM2 is a unique build and deserves her own title. She is a liner what cruises.....a one off ..... a true cruise liner , the likes of which we will never see ever again . Or is is she a Cruise ship that at times operates as a trans Atlantic Ferry a three day trip Liners set out of the 56 day round line Voyage to Australia from Tilbury or Southampton Regards John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare OzKiwiJJ Posted April 29, 2020 #22 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Cunard refers to her as a liner. "Our flagship is a truly astonishing liner". They don't use that term for the other ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Big_M Posted April 29, 2020 #23 Share Posted April 29, 2020 What does the cruise line know eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted April 29, 2020 #24 Share Posted April 29, 2020 QM2 is the exception of course, the rest are just cruise ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikeanswers Posted April 30, 2020 #25 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Interesting perspective🤔 though a little rosy coloured glasses for my liking, which I guess you would expect for someone so emotionally invested in the industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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