Am I crazy to book a 4 day cruise in October?

[EscapeFromConnecticut]

On 5/29/2020 at 8:13 AM, MRVEGAS711 said:

 

I just cancelled my 9/12 Panorama cruise which was almost completely full around 3/15. The ship is maybe 75% full now and going the wrong way.  Carnivals line of bookings going through the roof is a crock of s**t.

Such unwarranted pessimism. The market is just adoring Arnold Donald's work:

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/carnival-loses-investment-grade-rating-after-uptick-covid19-cases-2020-6-1029336911


Can't imagine why anyone would cancel now. OF COURSE the ships will sail in October. After all, Carnival said so, right? And they were right about those May sailings ... and June sailings .... and the July 28 resumption ... and the Aug 1 round of cruises ... and, ah, oh well. 
 

 

[mouche]

On 5/7/2020 at 9:47 PM, Matco said:

I just got my new Carnival Players club offers and I can book a, as I like to call a booze cruise, since I live only an hour away from Long Beach I was looking at the 4 day Ensenada and Catalina in October for my Birthday, and I can get $250 OBC drinks on us in the Casino and a few more things for just under $500 for 2 in an oceanview cabin. I'd only be risking $100 for the deposit and I could always cancel and get FCC... just wanted to bounce some thoughts off some fellow CC'ers and see if this quarantine is making me crazy or not... 

 

 

TIA - Matco

I personally would not book anything until the ships are moving again, these casino deals are just that, too good to be true. I almost booked one for August, but I'm glad I didn't. I personally don't believe cruising will resume this year and have doubts I will be sailing my Feb 2021 Mardi Gras cruise either. But that just my opinion, you have to do what you feel is best for you.

[Cruiseboy06]

48 minutes ago, mouche said:

I personally would not book anything until the ships are moving again, these casino deals are just that, too good to be true. I almost booked one for August, but I'm glad I didn't. I personally don't believe cruising will resume this year and have doubts I will be sailing my Feb 2021 Mardi Gras cruise either. But that just my opinion, you have to do what you feel is best for you.

I agree!!!!!!  I'm seeing them canceling maybe through December or January.     it'd be safe when we reach 1000 cases per day or less.  We still have at 30,000 to 45,000 every day..

Edited June 26, 2020 by Cruiseboy06

[PhillyFan33579]

2 hours ago, mouche said:

I personally would not book anything until the ships are moving again, these casino deals are just that, too good to be true. I almost booked one for August, but I'm glad I didn't. I personally don't believe cruising will resume this year and have doubts I will be sailing my Feb 2021 Mardi Gras cruise either. But that just my opinion, you have to do what you feel is best for you.

I have been tempted to book additional cruises based on several good offers from various cruise lines. However, I am feeling the same as you and not planning to book any cruises until cruises resume.  I previously had 8 cruises booked thru July 2021. So far 3 have been cancelled and it would no longer surprise me if the remaining 5 all eventually get cancelled too. 

[Matco]

Well its only inevitable that this will gets cancelled, glad I booked on Imagination instead of Inspiration given the likely fate she will be scrapped, I always loved these two sister ships and will miss the Inspiration, hopefully I can sail in the Imagination before she gets relocated or scrapped as well. Now down to my question, I booked my casino offer and it came with $250 OBC when they cancel and I take the Full FCC refund and the their $300 in OBC offer when I go to rebook will I still have my casino offer OBC stacked with the cancellation bonus OBC?  

[d12j28]

Only if you can rebook with that same offer. 

[SOCACRUISEGUY]

1 hour ago, Matco said:

Well its only inevitable that this will gets cancelled, glad I booked on Imagination instead of Inspiration given the likely fate she will be scrapped, I always loved these two sister ships and will miss the Inspiration, hopefully I can sail in the Imagination before she gets relocated or scrapped as well. Now down to my question, I booked my casino offer and it came with $250 OBC when they cancel and I take the Full FCC refund and the their $300 in OBC offer when I go to rebook will I still have my casino offer OBC stacked with the cancellation bonus OBC?  

I wouldn't get to comfortable with the Imagination sailings. If she stays on the west coast, she will most likely move over to the Friday-Monday, Monday-Friday run that the Inspiration once did. Those sailings usually had higher per passenger cost. 

[Matco]

12 minutes ago, SOCACRUISEGUY said:

I wouldn't get to comfortable with the Imagination sailings. If she stays on the west coast, she will most likely move over to the Friday-Monday, Monday-Friday run that the Inspiration once did. Those sailings usually had higher per passenger cost. 

Yeah I'm not going to keep my hopes up but I'd love to be able to sail on her a few more times, the crew on both ships were always amazing and I can damn near walk around the whole ship with my eyes closed, found all the secret walkways and shortcuts to keep away from the crowds, the alchemy bar was the best and the comedy club even tho small was a lot of fun 

[SOCACRUISEGUY]

1 minute ago, Matco said:

Yeah I'm not going to keep my hopes up but I'd love to be able to sail on her a few more times, the crew on both ships were always amazing and I can damn near walk around the whole ship with my eyes closed, found all the secret walkways and shortcuts to keep away from the crowds, the alchemy bar was the best and the comedy club even tho small was a lot of fun 

I agree, their Alchemy staff were amazing. Michelle, Aladdin, Attila and Ismail, always made the cruises fantastic. 

[mimi7ccr]

Well that September cruise (casino deal) got cancelled on the Paradise, as expected.  I now am booked on the NCL Jade out of Tampa for Xmas,  I hope it sails, but it's looking doubtful.  Then I've got one the end of January '21 on MSC's Seaside for 7 nights  out of Port Canavaral.  Getting a little worried about these final payments due in August.

 

[LouChamp]

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[Matco]

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[fla gang]

I wouldn't give a penny to an industry that is in so much financial trouble. I would wait and see if they survive before I let them hold any of my money. I've been on 35 cruises, but as unstable as the cruise industry is right now I just don't feel it wise to send them any money that I may never get back!

[Cruiseboy06]

ALL of Inspiration and Imagination cruises are GONE from Long  Beach......... I picked a couple of random months and Panorama IS ONLY ONE!!

 

 

 

[skridge]

2 hours ago, fla gang said:

I wouldn't give a penny to an industry that is in so much financial trouble. I would wait and see if they survive before I let them hold any of my money. I've been on 35 cruises, but as unstable as the cruise industry is right now I just don't feel it wise to send them any money that I may never get back!

I have been saying this since May and have been shouted down by many.  I was told not to worry that Carnival had borrowed enough money to be solvent through the end of the year.  Well it looks like the cruise industry has cancelled through the end of the year.  It makes one wonder how many banks are going to be lining up to give them loans now.

[fla gang]

6 minutes ago, skridge said:

I have been saying this since May and have been shouted down by many.  I was told not to worry that Carnival had borrowed enough money to be solvent through the end of the year.  Well it looks like the cruise industry has cancelled through the end of the year.  It makes one wonder how many banks are going to be lining up to give them loans now.

And if I remember correctly Chief said ships need to operate at like 85% capacity just to break even. He is a retired chief engineer in the cruise industry!

[Matco]

6 hours ago, Cruiseboy06 said:

ALL of Inspiration and Imagination cruises are GONE from Long  Beach......... I picked a couple of random months and Panorama IS ONLY ONE!!

 

 

 

Yup just got my cancellation email this morning

 

Carnival Fascination - all sailings through and including January 9, 2022 Carnival Imagination and Carnival Inspiration - all sailings through and including April 19, 2021 Carnival Radiance -  9, 12 and 14-day sailings from May 2, 2021 through and including April 29, 2022 Carnival Radiance - 5-day sailings, December 23, 2021 and December 28, 2021 Carnival Sensation - March 3, 2022 and March 7, 2022 sailings Carnival Sunrise - October 9, 2021 through April 30, 2022 sailings, excluding March 5, 2022

[Matco]

Since I never was paid in full for my November Imagination trip I am on the phone now trying to move my deposit over to a Panorama sailing in December...

[EscapeFromConnecticut]

15 hours ago, skridge said:

I have been saying this since May and have been shouted down by many.  I was told not to worry that Carnival had borrowed enough money to be solvent through the end of the year.  Well it looks like the cruise industry has cancelled through the end of the year.  It makes one wonder how many banks are going to be lining up to give them loans now.

Amen. 

And all of that debt must be paid back - out of a revenue base that will be sharply smaller for the foreseeable future. 😱 

   (And unless the FCC and OBC crowds choose to get wildly spendy onboard, Carnival's revenue base will be very, very, very sharply smaller. Kind of makes me wonder why anyone would be picking up CCL shares now).

[BlerkOne]

15 hours ago, skridge said:

I have been saying this since May and have been shouted down by many.  I was told not to worry that Carnival had borrowed enough money to be solvent through the end of the year.  Well it looks like the cruise industry has cancelled through the end of the year.  It makes one wonder how many banks are going to be lining up to give them loans now.

 

Apparently there is no shortage. The big 3 cruise lines have plenty for well into 2021. But for Carnival...

 

https://www.carnivalcorp.com/financial-information/sec-filings/all

 

 

[BlerkOne]

15 hours ago, fla gang said:

And if I remember correctly Chief said ships need to operate at like 85% capacity just to break even. He is a retired chief engineer in the cruise industry!

 

I imagine Carnival knows best what they need to break even, but even at that, there is no need for Carnival to be profitable from day 1. Slowing down the hemorrhaging of cash buys time.

[Joe817]

25 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

 

I imagine Carnival knows best what they need to break even, but even at that, there is no need for Carnival to be profitable from day 1. Slowing down the hemorrhaging of cash buys time.

Absolutely! 

[Don Kehote]

I just booked for 11/30 2020, because I wanted to, and I consider it less of a gamble than putting it all on black.  If we cruise, that's great.  If we don't, we get all sorts of credit.  That kind of makes it WAY less of a risk.  

 

 

[strickerj]

On 7/23/2020 at 6:28 AM, skridge said:

I have been saying this since May and have been shouted down by many.  I was told not to worry that Carnival had borrowed enough money to be solvent through the end of the year.  Well it looks like the cruise industry has cancelled through the end of the year.  It makes one wonder how many banks are going to be lining up to give them loans now.

What cruise lines have cancelled through the end of the year? The latest I'm seeing is end of September.

[glrounds]

No, you're not crazy . . . . just incredibly UNREALISTIC. 🙂

Edited July 25, 2020 by glrounds