Enforcement of the new guest vacation policy

[DaniDanielle]

1 hour ago, BirdTravels said:

We've been to Vegas twice and Atlantic City once since reopening. All employee (security, management, dealers) were very polite and requested guests to properly wear their mask in public spaces and follow distancing rules at tables. In our hotel, security was stationed at the hotel elevator lobbies with boxes of masks to ensure everyone leaving their room had a mask on. To be effective, all crew on the ship should do the same. You station a "washy washy" crew members  in public spaces reminding people to properly wear their masks. 

We are just back from our second Atlantic City trip and all are still following the mask rule.  Security was walking around checking.  Hopefully, cruisers will wear the masks etc.

[not-enough-cruising]

5 hours ago, Tapi said:

Airlines have been handling that by requesting that all passengers who claim to have a medical condition (that prevents them from wearing a mask) to show at the airport with an extra hour than normal. This way, they can take part in a medical consultation with a doctor who will determine if the condition is legitimate, and also to verify if any documentation is in order (meaning no fake cards). 
 

Hopefully cruise lines will do the same. 

Airlines have eliminated the medical exemption to wear a mask.  If you aren't able to wear a mask, you aren't able to fly

[Tapi]

2 hours ago, not-enough-cruising said:

Airlines have eliminated the medical exemption to wear a mask.  If you aren't able to wear a mask, you aren't able to fly

Different airlines may have different exceptions. Here’s the current policy from Delta:

 

[not-enough-cruising]

40 minutes ago, Tapi said:

Different airlines may have different exceptions. Here’s the current policy from Delta:

 

Thanks for the information. Being from Dallas we have little exposure to Delta, our locals are Southwest and American and they have a no exemption policy. 

[Goodtime Cruizin]

7 hours ago, hallux said:

Except that they CAN!  Just as stores can force people to wear masks while inside, so can cruise ships.  Cruise ships are a private entity and can enforce whatever rules they want in order to allow you to remain on board.  If you don't follow the rules as laid out in the cruise contract you can certainly be sequestered to your room or disembarked at the first opportunity.

 

The Captain rules the ship, it is not a democracy...

 

Of course they can force you to. But think about this for a moment. If each time you walk outside your cabin you have to put on a mask. Sitting by the pool...mask on. Sitting in the Schooner bar, mask on. Sitting in the Promenade, mask on. Sitting in the casino, mask on.  Sitting in the Windjammer, mask on.  Sitting in the Diamond Lounge, mask on.  Sitting in the Concierge Lounge, mask on. Bingo, mask on. Why? Why would anyone wish to subject themselves to this type of vacation? It doesn't make much sense to me. In a 24 hr day, I probably spend at least 12-14 hours on the average outside of my cabin. I recognize that the cruiselines have the disgression to enforce the wearing of masks, but for me personally, I just can't fathom wearing a mask that many hours a day while chilling, eating, & drinking. Because whether we wish to acknowlege it, that's what we do. We chill. We eat. We drink. In between these things, we get off the ship and explore which will require more masking up. So while yes, RCL has a right to do so... 

[Hoopster95]

13 hours ago, Wannacruise81 said:

 So far it looks like MSC has successfully completed 4 cruises without any cases, but will the US market be the same way?

 

Does US market ships have UV filtering and separated individual air systems into individual cabins like MSC?

I think this is why the one new and modern technology MSC ship that has sailed with these features has been successful.

Let's see if other ships which do not this can survive a sailing regardless of masks and social distancing.

[Ravbo]

Medical exemptions SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.

If allowed, this will only lead to many problems and many people trying to game the system.

"if he doesn't have to wear a mask why should I have to wear a mask".

If you cannot wear a mask, then you cannot go on the cruise.

Cruise lines make the rules and everyone needs to respect the rules.

No Mask = No Cruise. PERIOD.

End of discussion.

[Tree_skier]

9 minutes ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

Sitting by the pool...mask on

On MSC there is no mask requirement on the pool deck.  Chairs are spaced 1.5 meters to allow for social distancing.  Also masks are required in the buffet line up but not while you are sitting at your table eating nor is it required in the MDR so there will be lots of time where masks are not required. I've watched a few video's from the early MSC Cruises and it all looks pretty positive so far.  Unfortunately, all the video were in Italian so I don't understand them but lots of very positive gesturing from all the passengers and an upbeat vibe to it all.

[Goodtime Cruizin]

13 minutes ago, Ravbo said:

Medical exemptions SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.

If allowed, this will only lead to many problems and many people trying to game the system.

"if he doesn't have to wear a mask why should I have to wear a mask".

If you cannot wear a mask, then you cannot go on the cruise.

Cruise lines make the rules and everyone needs to respect the rules.

No Mask = No Cruise. PERIOD.

End of discussion.

 

I knew Richard Fain was on these boards! 

[hallux]

@Goodtime Cruizin I get what you're saying.  However, if you know in advance of booking that there is a requirement to wear masks just as there is on land then you can make the decision to simply not cruise.  Just because wearing a mask outside your cabin is "not my type of vacation" does not give license to ignore the policies.  Just as you did, everyone else paid money to be on that ship but that doesn't give anyone the right to put the health of others at risk just because they don't want to wear a mask.

[Goodtime Cruizin]

5 minutes ago, hallux said:

@Goodtime Cruizin I get what you're saying.  However, if you know in advance of booking that there is a requirement to wear masks just as there is on land then you can make the decision to simply not cruise.  Just because wearing a mask outside your cabin is "not my type of vacation" does not give license to ignore the policies.  Just as you did, everyone else paid money to be on that ship but that doesn't give anyone the right to put the health of others at risk just because they don't want to wear a mask.

 

Well let's deal with it straight up.... just like at home, you're subjected to what others do and don't do. You have the choice to decide whether to leave your home or not. Your choice, like mine and all others should not prevent others from enjoying a cruise. If one has a Medical reason to not wear a mask, then so be it. Science has then spoken and we must learn to accept it.  Choices. We all have them. 

Edited September 13, 2020 by Goodtime Cruizin

[hallux]

1 minute ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

 

Well let's deal with it straight up.... just like at home, you're subjected to what others do and don't do 7 you have the choice to decide whether to leave your home or not. The same can and should be done on a cruise ship.  Choices. We all have them. 

So you're saying that if I cruise and decide to follow the rules, I should then be forced to self-sequester in my cabin because I've seen others NOT following the rules and not being forced to do so?

 

RULES ARE FOR ALL!  They don't apply only to some because others choose not to follow them.  You can bet your tail that if we're ever on a ship together with a mask requirement, you WILL get reported if I see you without a mask.

[Goodtime Cruizin]

24 minutes ago, hallux said:

So you're saying that if I cruise and decide to follow the rules, I should then be forced to self-sequester in my cabin because I've seen others NOT following the rules and not being forced to do so?

 

RULES ARE FOR ALL!  They don't apply only to some because others choose not to follow them.  You can bet your tail that if we're ever on a ship together with a mask requirement, you WILL get reported if I see you without a mask.

well let’s discuss this. First. What rules? They haven’t been established. Next. Why should I be subjected to wearing a mask? I mean why should I believe that you aren’t a carrier of Covid? Why should you believe that I am or that I’m not? My point is, if we’re properly documented as to not being a carrier of Covid and everyone on the ship the same.... what are the masks for? None of us have COVID. So why are you subjecting next to wearing a mask 12-14 hrs a day other than to make you feel good about your rules. 

[TwoMisfits]

11 hours ago, hallux said:

Well, they can't sail from the US unless they have a port to call at.  The issue on MSC was a family that didn't comply with the shore excursion rules so they were able to just leave them in that port.  I could see sailings from the US being the same.

 

That would be the 1st law waiver I'd ask for, if I was the industry.  Start with US passengers only to US ports only.  There's plenty of both, and that way, you don't have the worries that happened in the spring if you get an outbreak...start small and work up as you prove "proof of concept" on the safety and passengers' willingness to abide by the rules.

[boscobeans]

6 minutes ago, TwoMisfits said:

 

That would be the 1st law waiver I'd ask for, if I was the industry.  Start with US passengers only to US ports only.  

 

Can't just visit US ports..??

[TwoMisfits]

2 minutes ago, boscobeans said:

 

Can't just visit US ports..??

https://www.cruiselawnews.com/2011/09/articles/flags-of-convenience/why-cant-you-cruise-from-one-us-port-to-another-us-port/#:~:text=The law requires that all,and crewed by U.S. citizens.&text=So the entire US based,one US port to another.

 

AND current status and penalties...

 

https://shouldbecruising.com/2020/07/01/passenger-vessel-services-act/

Edited September 13, 2020 by TwoMisfits

[hallux]

Just now, boscobeans said:

 

Can't just visit US ports..??

PVSA prevents vessels not sailing under a US flag from only visiting US ports.

[boscobeans]

26 minutes ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

well let’s discuss this. First. What rules? They haven’t been established. Next. Why should I be subjected to wearing a mask? I mean why should I believe that you aren’t a carrier of Covid? Why should you believe that I am or that I’m not? My point is, if we’re properly documented as to not being a carrier of Covid and everyone on the ship the same.... what are the masks for? None of us have COVID. So why are you subjecting next to wearing a mask 12-14 hrs a day other than to make you feel good about your rules. 

 

 

You may have been exposed to and contracted COVID  and a test won't show positive for up to 14 days...

 

 

[boscobeans]

1 hour ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

 

Of course they can force you to. But think about this for a moment. If each time you walk outside your cabin you have to put on a mask. Sitting by the pool...mask on. Sitting in the Schooner bar, mask on. Sitting in the Promenade, mask on. Sitting in the casino, mask on.  Sitting in the Windjammer, mask on.  Sitting in the Diamond Lounge, mask on.  Sitting in the Concierge Lounge, mask on. Bingo, mask on. Why? Why would anyone wish to subject themselves to this type of vacation? It doesn't make much sense to me. In a 24 hr day, I probably spend at least 12-14 hours on the average outside of my cabin. I recognize that the cruiselines have the disgression to enforce the wearing of masks, but for me personally, I just can't fathom wearing a mask that many hours a day while chilling, eating, & drinking. Because whether we wish to acknowlege it, that's what we do. We chill. We eat. We drink. In between these things, we get off the ship and explore which will require more masking up. So while yes, RCL has a right to do so... 

 

The Mein Schiff cruises that are currently sailing are NOT AT ALL like that.

When dining in MDR or Buffet, relaxing by the pool, at a show in a casino or having drinks in a lounge once SEATED-NO MASK...The ships have tables and seats effectively spaced to meet with social distancing requirements.

Edited September 13, 2020 by boscobeans

[Baron Barracuda]

26 minutes ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

well let’s discuss this. First. What rules? They haven’t been established. Next. Why should I be subjected to wearing a mask? I mean why should I believe that you aren’t a carrier of Covid? Why should you believe that I am or that I’m not? My point is, if we’re properly documented as to not being a carrier of Covid and everyone on the ship the same.... what are the masks for? None of us have COVID. So why are you subjecting next to wearing a mask 12-14 hrs a day other than to make you feel good about your rules. 

Just because you or I test negative at embarkation doesn't mean we won't test positive a few days later.  Cruise lines are quarantining new crew before allowing them aboard ship yet seven ships in layup in US waters reported new cases in August.  

[Goodtime Cruizin]

12 minutes ago, boscobeans said:

 

 

You may have been exposed to and contracted COVID  and a test won't show positive for up to 14 days...

 

 

 

Then nobody cruises! I mean right now people are being quarantined for 14 days due to contact tracing. If the cruiselines can not prove to everybody that we're all safethen we shouldn't be allowed to cruise. That's just the way it is. 

[Goodtime Cruizin]

3 minutes ago, Baron Barracuda said:

Just because you or I test negative at embarkation doesn't mean we won't test positive a few days later.  Cruise lines are quarantining new crew before allowing them aboard ship yet seven ships in layup in US waters reported new cases in August.  

 

And then they should do the same for all passengers. 

[retiredgram]

1 hour ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

 

Of course they can force you to. But think about this for a moment. If each time you walk outside your cabin you have to put on a mask. Sitting by the pool...mask on. Sitting in the Schooner bar, mask on. Sitting in the Promenade, mask on. Sitting in the casino, mask on.  Sitting in the Windjammer, mask on.  Sitting in the Diamond Lounge, mask on.  Sitting in the Concierge Lounge, mask on. Bingo, mask on. Why? Why would anyone wish to subject themselves to this type of vacation? It doesn't make much sense to me. In a 24 hr day, I probably spend at least 12-14 hours on the average outside of my cabin. I recognize that the cruiselines have the disgression to enforce the wearing of masks, but for me personally, I just can't fathom wearing a mask that many hours a day while chilling, eating, & drinking. Because whether we wish to acknowlege it, that's what we do. We chill. We eat. We drink. In between these things, we get off the ship and explore which will require more masking up. So while yes, RCL has a right to do so... 

 If you know ahead of time what the rules are and you do not like them, you have the choice to stay home.

[Baron Barracuda]

Several colleges in the news recently for suspending students who break social distancing rules.  Students sent home with no reimbursement of tuition and room & board.  That's a heck of a lot more costly than a forfeited cruise fare.

[boscobeans]

5 minutes ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

 

Then nobody cruises! I mean right now people are being quarantined for 14 days due to contact tracing. If the cruiselines can not prove to everybody that we're all safethen we shouldn't be allowed to cruise. That's just the way it is. 

 

So we should not be allowed to go to a supermarket or Lowes. since they can't prove to everybody that they are safe...

 

Following the CDC rules on masks, distancing and general hygiene are fine with me and I have been out and about since April 2nd and my wife wears a mask for 40+ hours a week, gives injections and deals with dozens of patients each day.