Volunteer Passengers?

[WonderMan3]

“Dummy cruise” indeed...

[NutsAboutGolf]

X needs to hire me as a consultant...X should have a poker tournament volunteer cruise, pay the buy-in and get a free cruise!  X would be guaranteed to gain some revenue from the buy-ins and if there's a virus breakout, few would care if gamblers get it.  Whether or not one realizes it, the casino is a huge source of revenue for cruise lines and any test cruise should test the casino protocols.

[NutsAboutGolf]

49 minutes ago, phoenix_dream said:

Not sure what you mean by it won't happen.  What won't happen?  And what does suggesting everyone be tested daily have to do with this topic?

 

IMO, everyone on the ship should take a daily Covid test.

[NutsAboutGolf]

23 minutes ago, PTC DAWG said:

Sounds like typical govt overreach to me....we the sheeple will comply,..sad, really. 

 

If the US government makes you sad, you're more than welcome to become happy by flying to another country such as Italy and take a cruise...

[Pinboy]

21 minutes ago, NutsAboutGolf said:

Whether or not one realizes it, the casino is a huge source of revenue for cruise lines

What about Bingo ??? Just calculate the amount of players, the cost to play, and the amount they distribute in prize money.

 

[NutsAboutGolf]

1 minute ago, Pinboy said:

What about Bingo ??? Just calculate the amount of players, the cost to play, and the amount they distribute in prize money.

 

 

You're 100% right!

[ipeeinthepool]

I'm still awaiting any information on volunteer sign-up.

[Duanerice1]

On 10/31/2020 at 6:29 AM, cinlo said:

Two healthy  non medication folks in their 60’s, that can drive to the port as we live in Florida....sign us up!

Ditto - We can be packed in 2 hrs

[TeeRick]

On 11/2/2020 at 5:15 AM, ipeeinthepool said:

I'm still awaiting any information on volunteer sign-up.

I would rather volunteer for a vaccine trial.  Why be a guinea pig for the cruise industry when I can be a guinea pig for the worldwide vaccine effort?  That will likely have more impact getting us eventually back to normal cruising than being on a "dummy" cruise.😀

[ipeeinthepool]

23 minutes ago, TeeRick said:

I would rather volunteer for a vaccine trial.  Why be a guinea pig for the cruise industry when I can be a guinea pig for the worldwide vaccine effort?  That will likely have more impact getting us eventually back to normal cruising than being on a "dummy" cruise.😀

 

You're absolutely correct, that would be a better thing to do for society.  I'm just looking for an excuse to get away from home.

 

If we go back to being a vaccine guinea pig as I understand it, that could delay you getting the vaccine for another year.  As I understand it, you don't know if you got the vaccine or the placebo and you have to agree not to get another vaccine for a year.  If you were in the control group you will be unprotected for the next year.  I'm not sure I'm ready to do that.  If I knew I was testing the actual vaccine, I would volunteer.  I'll be first in line when it's my turn.  But there's no doubt you will be helping society more than the people on the "dummy" cruises.

 

 

Edited November 8, 2020 by ipeeinthepool

[TeeRick]

58 minutes ago, ipeeinthepool said:

 

You're absolutely correct, that would be a better thing to do for society.  I'm just looking for an excuse to get away from home.

 

If we go back to being a vaccine guinea pig as I understand it, that could delay you getting the vaccine for another year.  As I understand it, you don't know if you got the vaccine or the placebo and you have to agree not to get another vaccine for a year.  If you were in the control group you will be unprotected for the next year.  I'm not sure I'm ready to do that.  If I knew I was testing the actual vaccine, I would volunteer.  I'll be first in line when it's my turn.  But there's no doubt you will be helping society more than the people on the "dummy" cruises.

 

 

I hear you.  I think they will tell you after the trial results are announced what group you are in.  They need to follow up on your health status for an agreed period of time post-trial.  

[C-Dragons]

2 hours ago, TeeRick said:

I would rather volunteer for a vaccine trial.  Why be a guinea pig for the cruise industry when I can be a guinea pig for the worldwide vaccine effort?  That will likely have more impact getting us eventually back to normal cruising than being on a "dummy" cruise.😀

It's probably easier to get on a cruise. 😉

They're very selective in choosing the “guinea pigs” for the trials. We volunteered many months ago but were not chosen. Currently they are still looking for a million more volunteers but only from a very specific demographic.

[Bo1953]

On 10/30/2020 at 3:49 PM, TeeRick said:

I volunteer for the Iconic Suite on EDGE or APEX.  

Can I join you Mr. T???

 

bon voyage

[dh1drill]

Guinea pig here where do I sign up.

[sanger727]

4 hours ago, TeeRick said:

I hear you.  I think they will tell you after the trial results are announced what group you are in.  They need to follow up on your health status for an agreed period of time post-trial.  

my dad is in one of the vaccine trials and they told him that they wouldn’t be telling them if they were in the control group or vaccine group, but that anyone was free to leave the trial at any point. So basically they will have everyone withdrawing from the trial to take a vaccine when it’s available. Doesn’t seem like a good way to test longer term results, side effects, and effectiveness.

[Covepointcruiser]

When you are considered high risk if you are overweight and 70% of the folks in the U.S. are overweight, they will have trouble finding non overweight passengers for a test cruise.   

[nocl]

11 hours ago, TeeRick said:

I hear you.  I think they will tell you after the trial results are announced what group you are in.  They need to follow up on your health status for an agreed period of time post-trial.  

The norm is  for placebo  recipients to get study drug once the blind is broken.

 

One issue with these trials is the placebo (saline solution) usually does not cause a reaction except maybe pain at the injection site. so any kind of reaction probably received vaccine, no reaction probably placebo. not ideal for a placebo controlled trial.

[Bo1953]

3 hours ago, Covepointcruiser said:

When you are considered high risk if you are overweight and 70% of the folks in the U.S. are overweight, they will have trouble finding non overweight passengers for a test cruise.   

Then that leaves greater capacity for those of us who are not in the 70%.... which also means that any one in the 70% will have a time frame to reduce and get out of that particular 'high risk' category... if that is a condition for sailing.

 

I will miss quite a few of those who are in the 70%, yet will sail on and send postcards and photos of the trip...   😎

 

bon voyage

[nocl]

6 hours ago, sanger727 said:

my dad is in one of the vaccine trials and they told him that they wouldn’t be telling them if they were in the control group or vaccine group, but that anyone was free to leave the trial at any point. So basically they will have everyone withdrawing from the trial to take a vaccine when it’s available. Doesn’t seem like a good way to test longer term results, side effects, and effectiveness.

if they could actually get a vaccine from another source.

[nocl]

3 hours ago, Covepointcruiser said:

When you are considered high risk if you are overweight and 70% of the folks in the U.S. are overweight, they will have trouble finding non overweight passengers for a test cruise.   

at the volunteers may have more issues getting the required certification of no  high risk conditions.

[sanger727]

7 hours ago, nocl said:

if they could actually get a vaccine from another source.

the study lasts two years. I think that the vaccine will be readily available for people to take before the study ends. Hopefully much sooner.

[ipeeinthepool]

17 hours ago, Bo1953 said:

Can I join you Mr. T???

 

bon voyage

 

Sounds like a fun group, sign me up.  I'll even take one of those terrible IV balconies

[TeeRick]

20 hours ago, Bo1953 said:

Can I join you Mr. T???

 

bon voyage

I think a bunch of us CC regulars could volunteer or even pitch in for an Iconic Suite once cruising resumes and have a great celebration.  So far me, Bo and ipee.  That is a great start!

[nocl]

3 hours ago, sanger727 said:

the study lasts two years. I think that the vaccine will be readily available for people to take before the study ends. Hopefully much sooner.

the two years is a max number. normally any on placebo will get study drug when the blinds are broken. which will be a lot less than 2 years.  if the drug meets safety and efficacy milestones. So for anyone in these first trials the fastest way to get vaccinated will be via the trial they are participating in, if their vaccine works.

[TeeRick]

11 hours ago, nocl said:

The norm is  for placebo  recipients to get study drug once the blind is broken.

 

One issue with these trials is the placebo (saline solution) usually does not cause a reaction except maybe pain at the injection site. so any kind of reaction probably received vaccine, no reaction probably placebo. not ideal for a placebo controlled trial.

nocl- I would need to look at the trial designs and see what they are using for placebo formulations.  In some cases definitely saline but possibly some others not.  The mRNA vaccines delivered in lipids might use lipids+ saline as placebo, or the protein subunit vaccines might use adjuvant-only formulations.  I really have not specifically looked across the lead candidates.