Hawaiian Holiday Cruise Inquiry

[gkthorn]

Looking for some feedback, from those of you who have taken the 15 day Holiday Hawaiian cruise departing from California.

 

Our group will be of 8 people ranging from 21 to 60 +.  We are looking to do this in 2022.

 

We have a wide arrange of interest and physical abilities, so lay it on us thick.

 

Any suggestions and highlights and views would be deeply appreciated.

 

Thank you,

 

Glenn ♠️

[katisdale]

We did this cruise in 2019. It ended on January 4, 2020 so we were on-board for both Christmas and New Years. We traveled with our daughter and adult grandchildren. The Christmas decorations were lovely. The meals at Christmas and New Year's were also special. We especially enjoyed the holiday time with none of the preparations usually associated with the holidays. The crew were great. I use an electric wheelchair (completely collapsible) and had a good inside cabin. We had anytime dining which worked well for the 5 of us.

We especially enjoyed the team called Elua who provided Hawaiian enrichment activities. Our cruise was on the Star Princess out of San Pedro. Star has left the Princess fleet.

We had some poor weather so we missed one port stop but that allowed us to have an extra day in Honolulu. Overall we were very pleased with this cruise.

[Treasure Hunter]

We took the 15 day Hawaiian cruise from San Pedro coupled with a 7 day down the Mexican coast. Most of the ship turned over between cruises. The Hawaiian cruise was fabulous. The whole ship radiated happiness. There was a Hawaiian couple on board. The woman taught dance and the man ukulele. The entertainment was great. Lots of days at sea so you have to like that. The cruise staff turned themselves inside out to give us a good time and there were lots of laughs. Many games and trivia quizzes. The cruise took place during the Academy Awards and that was a big deal. The cruise director’s evening events were packed. We took ship tours in port. In Oahu we went to the Polynesian Cultural Center( great guide). In Maui we did whale watching. We had been to Hawaii before on a land tour of the four big Islands so we tried to do things that we hadn’t done before. We love Hawaii. Princess brought hula dancers onboard. If you’ve never done a luau I recommend it. I can only imagine that holiday time will be even better. Just remember that the crossing can be cold and windy. We paid for the Sanctuary for the full cruise and they had to wrap us in blankets and  serve us tea and hot cocoa. We were often the only ones up there. The service was fabulous.

[gkthorn]

35 minutes ago, Treasure Hunter said:

We took the 15 day Hawaiian cruise from San Pedro coupled with a 7 day down the Mexican coast. Most of the ship turned over between cruises. The Hawaiian cruise was fabulous. The whole ship radiated happiness. There was a Hawaiian couple on board. The woman taught dance and the man ukulele. The entertainment was great. Lots of days at sea so you have to like that. The cruise staff turned themselves inside out to give us a good time and there were lots of laughs. Many games and trivia quizzes. The cruise took place during the Academy Awards and that was a big deal. The cruise director’s evening events were packed. We took ship tours in port. In Oahu we went to the Polynesian Cultural Center( great guide). In Maui we did whale watching. We had been to Hawaii before on a land tour of the four big Islands so we tried to do things that we hadn’t done before. We love Hawaii. Princess brought hula dancers onboard. If you’ve never done a luau I recommend it. I can only imagine that holiday time will be even better. Just remember that the crossing can be cold and windy. We paid for the Sanctuary for the full cruise and they had to wrap us in blankets and  serve us tea and hot cocoa. We were often the only ones up there. The service was fabulous.

Thank you so much for you input. 

 

I have taken Princess before and have briefly walked by the Sanctuary.  Can you tell me a little bit more about that experience.

 

Also, were there certain activities on board you enjoyed or would recommend?

 

Glenn ♠️

[gkthorn]

39 minutes ago, Treasure Hunter said:

We took the 15 day Hawaiian cruise from San Pedro coupled with a 7 day down the Mexican coast. Most of the ship turned over between cruises. The Hawaiian cruise was fabulous. The whole ship radiated happiness. There was a Hawaiian couple on board. The woman taught dance and the man ukulele. The entertainment was great. Lots of days at sea so you have to like that. The cruise staff turned themselves inside out to give us a good time and there were lots of laughs. Many games and trivia quizzes. The cruise took place during the Academy Awards and that was a big deal. The cruise director’s evening events were packed. We took ship tours in port. In Oahu we went to the Polynesian Cultural Center( great guide). In Maui we did whale watching. We had been to Hawaii before on a land tour of the four big Islands so we tried to do things that we hadn’t done before. We love Hawaii. Princess brought hula dancers onboard. If you’ve never done a luau I recommend it. I can only imagine that holiday time will be even better. Just remember that the crossing can be cold and windy. We paid for the Sanctuary for the full cruise and they had to wrap us in blankets and  serve us tea and hot cocoa. We were often the only ones up there. The service was fabulous.

 

48 minutes ago, katisdale said:

We did this cruise in 2019. It ended on January 4, 2020 so we were on-board for both Christmas and New Years. We traveled with our daughter and adult grandchildren. The Christmas decorations were lovely. The meals at Christmas and New Year's were also special. We especially enjoyed the holiday time with none of the preparations usually associated with the holidays. The crew were great. I use an electric wheelchair (completely collapsible) and had a good inside cabin. We had anytime dining which worked well for the 5 of us.

We especially enjoyed the team called Elua who provided Hawaiian enrichment activities. Our cruise was on the Star Princess out of San Pedro. Star has left the Princess fleet.

We had some poor weather so we missed one port stop but that allowed us to have an extra day in Honolulu. Overall we were very pleased with this cruise.

Thank you so much for you input.  You and your family may have been one of the last cruises to Hawaii before the pandemic hit.  I'm sure you're itching to get out there again.

 

Sounds like you and your family had a great time without having to plan any holiday preparations.

 

We are not familiar with Elua, could you please elaborate on this team and what type of enrichment activities they provided?

 

Thank you,

 

Glenn ♠️

[HBCcruiser]

1 hour ago, gkthorn said:

Looking for some feedback, from those of you who have taken the 15 day Holiday Hawaiian cruise departing from California.

 

Our group will be of 8 people ranging from 21 to 60 +.  We are looking to do this in 2022.

 

We have a wide arrange of interest and physical abilities, so lay it on us thick.

 

Any suggestions and highlights and views would be deeply appreciated.

 

Thank you,

 

Glenn ♠️

My Mom and I will be on the same cruise! 

[Treasure Hunter]

8 minutes ago, gkthorn said:

Thank you so much for you input. 

 

I have taken Princess before and have briefly walked by the Sanctuary.  Can you tell me a little bit more about that experience.

 

Also, were there certain activities on board you enjoyed or would recommend?

 

Glenn ♠️

The Sanctuary is on the top deck forward. It is like being on a private yacht. There isn’t a pool in the Sanctuary but there is one just outside. You have to rush upstairs at the being of the cruise to lock in your permanent lounges. There are also pricy cabanas.  You can book a whole week or by the day or half day. The week is discounted.  Sea days are more popular than port days. Shade is more popular than full sun ( there’s a lot of dragging chairs around.)  You have a dedicated staff. And I mean dedication. Your chair is yours and no one else can sit in it even if you come for an hour. We like to book the whole cruise and we tip the head person before and after. You never have to worry if you will have a place to sit. Beverages and fruit are served and the is a spa menu for lunch for $3 service charge a person but they will also bring you hot dogs, burgers and pizza from the pool grill. At 3:30 there is an included full English tea with scones and cakes and tea sandwiches that’s just delightful. On our Emerald Princess Hawaii trip Oscar was in charge and couldn’t do enough for us. Mostly people read or nap. It is a very restful vibe. With spectacular views .

[nocl]

We have done this cruise 3 times and have enjoyed it.

 

A number of classes tied to the Hawaiian culture (hula, ukulele, etc).

 

In is mostly sea days with 4 days in the islands.  Maui is a tender port so sometimes there is problems with the weather there.

 

The weather tends to be cool and the seas a little rough the the first couple of days out from San Francisco (I have heard somewhat the same out of LA) with the days getting warmer the closer you get to Hawaii then cooling down on the way back the closer you get to the main land.

[JF - retired RRT]

2 hours ago, gkthorn said:

 

Thank you so much for you input.  You and your family may have been one of the last cruises to Hawaii before the pandemic hit.  I'm sure you're itching to get out there again.

 

Sounds like you and your family had a great time without having to plan any holiday preparations.

 

We are not familiar with Elua, could you please elaborate on this team and what type of enrichment activities they provided?

 

Thank you,

 

Glenn ♠️

Google is my friend. https://www.facebook.com/Eluamusic/

 

Elua isn't the only duo on the Hawaiian cruises (but they're the best duo). Princess calls them Hawaiian Ambassadors. There's usually a pair on every HI cruise.

We've done 5 HI cruises (#6 is booked) and they've all been wonderful. The holidays make any cruise even more special...decorations, special events, theme dinners, etc.

[gkthorn]

2 hours ago, Treasure Hunter said:

The Sanctuary is on the top deck forward. It is like being on a private yacht. There isn’t a pool in the Sanctuary but there is one just outside. You have to rush upstairs at the being of the cruise to lock in your permanent lounges. There are also pricy cabanas.  You can book a whole week or by the day or half day. The week is discounted.  Sea days are more popular than port days. Shade is more popular than full sun ( there’s a lot of dragging chairs around.)  You have a dedicated staff. And I mean dedication. Your chair is yours and no one else can sit in it even if you come for an hour. We like to book the whole cruise and we tip the head person before and after. You never have to worry if you will have a place to sit. Beverages and fruit are served and the is a spa menu for lunch for $3 service charge a person but they will also bring you hot dogs, burgers and pizza from the pool grill. At 3:30 there is an included full English tea with scones and cakes and tea sandwiches that’s just delightful. On our Emerald Princess Hawaii trip Oscar was in charge and couldn’t do enough for us. Mostly people read or nap. It is a very restful vibe. With spectacular views .

On a crowded ship sounds like a treat retreat.

[skynight]

We have done this many times and enjoy it. You have to enjoy sea days. There are 9 of them. Expect daytime sea day activities to be things like trivia, lectures, silly games. In the past there was always an Hawaiian Cultural couple on board. There will be hula & uke classes plus some Hawaiian crafts (small fee). If you have a uke bring it. If not they have them on board, but show up early the first day as there are a limited number of them.

Don't expect tropical weather the first 2 to 3 days. It doesn't get tropical until the ship crosses the Tropic of Cancer sometime on day 3. Those initial days are not lounge around the pool days in the hot sun as you would on a beach. People do sit around the pools, but mostly in cover ups.

The crossing can get rocky. I've seen it calm, choppy & swells. Be prepared with sea sick meds.

Lots of whales in if you go during whale season, believe December through March. The other island are also very nice.

[cr8tiv1]

4 hours ago, gkthorn said:

 

Thank you so much for you input.  You and your family may have been one of the last cruises to Hawaii before the pandemic hit.  I'm sure you're itching to get out there again.

 

Sounds like you and your family had a great time without having to plan any holiday preparations.

 

We are not familiar with Elua, could you please elaborate on this team and what type of enrichment activities they provided?

 

Thank you,

 

Glenn ♠️

 

Here is a link to Tiki Dave's Ukulele Play along on Fridays.  Click on the link to learn more about Dave (and wife Leialoha).  She also has hula on Fridays.  

 

https://www.facebook.com/events/186179163250562?acontext={"event_action_history"%3A[{"mechanism"%3A"search_results"%2C"surface"%3A"search"}]}

 

IF...they are on your voyage (Usually Hawaii run out of San Pedro), he and Leialoha will do the classes, crafts ($), port talks, entertainment, and general all around anything Hawaiiana.

 

What to do?  LOTS....for every age group.  Navigating the islands is very simple if you rent a car.  For the younger group, there is lots of things to do in nature:  swimming, surfing, hiking, fishing (no license required), and more.  For the older ones:  sight seeing, history (Arizona Memorial), touristy things, and more.  You will only be restricted by time in port and distance on the outer islands.

 

I highly recommend booking a whale watch with Pacific Humpback Whale Foundation in a zodiac in Lahaina.  Not for the weak of heart.  

 

Sea days may be a little more challenging for the young adults.  

[mtnesterz]

I see that we live near each other.  No airlines, no transfers. No language issues, no money changing...We've taken this cruise 5 times.  As mentioned, going over, you can hit some choppy water, but that eases up. They play Hawaiian music overhead. Crafts,culture...a dance music group will board and entertain at the islands. I decided to buy my own Uke after the first trip. The loaners are junk but the classes are fun. Shore excursions are expensive, but being in the USA, we felt safe. The return sea days anti-climactic so plan for things to do. In Ensenada, consider the Casino, wine tasting and shopping excursion if you like history.

 

 

[jennybenny]

5 hours ago, gkthorn said:

Looking for some feedback, from those of you who have taken the 15 day Holiday Hawaiian cruise departing from California.

 

Our group will be of 8 people ranging from 21 to 60 +.  We are looking to do this in 2022.

 

We have a wide arrange of interest and physical abilities, so lay it on us thick.

 

Any suggestions and highlights and views would be deeply appreciated.

 

Thank you,

 

Glenn ♠️

It's unknown if 2022 will be a Hawaiian Holiday cruise or Mexican Riviera cruise, isn't it? I only ask because I have not seen itineraries posted for 2022, and am looking to book the holiday cruise that is available. We are booked for 2021. 

 

We've done the 15 day holiday cruise to Hawaii out of San Francisco many times. It's my favorite cruise! They do a beautiful job with the holiday. Lots of Christmas trees, Ginger bread house display, they do a Ginger Bread house activity people can sign up for that's lots of fun.   They have lei making classes, live Hawaiian music, ukulele lessons, it's very festive. 

 

We met some friends on our first Hawaii holiday cruise and they now sail out of Los Angeles, they love the cruise from there as well. They are booked for 2021.

 

We love the sea days, but the difficulty is packing. there are a few cold days in that cross to/from Hawaii, but I love it. 

 

There are a lot of children on the holiday cruises. They are very visible, and usually well behaved, but I have heard some people complain about it on the boards, never on the cruise. 

 

It's a great way to spend the holiday and I especially love it because you get NYE as well. 

[AVCruzers]

We have also booked the Hawaiian cruise several times via San Pedro.  For the first time, we booked the actual holiday cruise for Dec. 2021 so really looking forward to it.  Although we have an August cruise on the books, I rather doubt we won't be cruising until December---then as many cruises in 2022 as our budget will allow!!!!!

[gkthorn]

16 hours ago, skynight said:

We have done this many times and enjoy it. You have to enjoy sea days. There are 9 of them. Expect daytime sea day activities to be things like trivia, lectures, silly games. In the past there was always an Hawaiian Cultural couple on board. There will be hula & uke classes plus some Hawaiian crafts (small fee). If you have a uke bring it. If not they have them on board, but show up early the first day as there are a limited number of them.

Don't expect tropical weather the first 2 to 3 days. It doesn't get tropical until the ship crosses the Tropic of Cancer sometime on day 3. Those initial days are not lounge around the pool days in the hot sun as you would on a beach. People do sit around the pools, but mostly in cover ups.

The crossing can get rocky. I've seen it calm, choppy & swells. Be prepared with sea sick meds.

Lots of whales in if you go during whale season, believe December through March. The other island are also very nice.

Hey thank you so much for your insights and suggestions.  Yea, I have a Uke, so my intention is to bring it along.  I'm not great at it, but I can get by. 

[greenie082756]

My DH and I have done this cruise from San Pedro and San Francisco. 

 

Our very first cruise with Princess was to Hawaii. OMG! Had so much fun and we did live on Oahu in the past so finally being able to see the other islands and the differences was so much fun. Kauai is my personal favorite.

 

We are also planning to hopefully have our first cruise back to be in 2022 to Hawaii. We love the sea days and never knowing how the seas will be can be fun as well.  The crew does their best to keep everyone happy and busy. Hawaii attitude does rub off on crew and passengers 🙂

As you can see that this is one of the favorites for itineraries that Princess has. Good choice!

[Dididi]

We too were on the Christmas 2019 Hawaii cruise on the Star Princess. I was concerned about the nine sea days but all of us found things to do.  We would get together for lunch and then attend the ukulele class with Tiki Dave and hula with Leialoha.  We felt kinship with all the people bringing their ukes to the buffet for quick lunches before class!  We made flower leis and ribbon leis (both free, ship staff) and also kukui nut/shell leis with Leialoha (around $10?).  In addition to the usual holiday specials in the dining room menu, Hawaiian inspired dishes were available almost every night.  Lots of exotic fruits at the buffet while we were in Hawaii. We had been on Christmas cruises on Princess in the Caribbean, Mexican Riviera and the Panama Canal, but this one had a special festive Island flavor, in addition to all the Christmas and New Year's decorations.  Lots of family groups from the US and around the world.  As others have recommended, bring your ukuleles, seasickness medication (the first two days were rough as evidenced by the long line at the Medical Unit) and sweaters for the first couple of days.  On the third day, the sky clears and the weather turns warm.  There are multiple threads on "land vacations versus Hawaii cruise from California," but this cruise is a relaxing way to see a bit of Hawaii, celebrate Christmas and New Year's, and spend time together.  My daughter says it's her favorite cruise ever; we hope to do it again some day.

[XBGuy]

Glen, we have taken this cruise three times, although, we have never taken it over the holidays.

 

Only once have we cruised with a group like you are planning,  One idea I have that may or may not work out for you is to opt for Traditional Dining.  The way it worked for us was that everybody was on their own most of the time except for dinner.  With the fixed dining schedule there was no group decision of where and when to have dinner.  Everybody knows that dinner is at 7:30 (or whatever) at Table 153 in the Main Dining Room.  When everybody gets together for dinner, each person/couple has their experiences for the day to chat about with the group.  If somebody decides they want to try specialty dining, they simply tell the group the night before that they have alternate dining plans for the next evening.  That way the MDR diners will not have a futile wait for the specialty diners to show up.  Again, this idea may or may not work for you.  We are, normally, Anytime Diners, for a host of reasons, but, there are only two of us.  So, negotiating a dinner plan every evening is fairly easy.

 

On our last HI cruise--just over a year ago--Mrs. XBGuy decided that she was going to take the Hula class offered by Leialoha.  After the first meeting I asked her how it was, and I saw a look of panic on her face.  

 

"We have to do a show in front of the whole ship."

 

I assured her that she would do fine, and the show would be great.  I'm pretty sure that she worked harder on learning the dances than anybody else in the class.  She even had me come to a couple of the classes and video them with her iPad so that she could, then, practice in our cabin.

 

The ukelele class that was led by Tiki Dave was also a part of the show.  The show alternated the ukeleles playing alone, the hula dancers dancing to recordings and the dancers being accompanied by the ukeleles.  From the audience I thought the show was great.  I heard that they had 80 ukelele players, and I am guessing that they had about 40 dancers.

 

I enjoyed Tiki Dave's port talks on the transit over to the islands.  Significantly, I took his advice on where to get the best Shave Ice.  It's in Lahaina.  Today, I could walk right to it, but I do not recall the name of the place.  Sorry.

 

Mrs. XBGuy is also loves seeing whales.  However, she is not crazy about tender trips to/from ports.  On our last two HI cruises, both in January, for the Lahaina stop she was happy as a clam at high tide to sit on our balcony with a pair of binoculars and watch whaies.  The Zodiac venture mentiond by cre8tiv1 sounds pretty neat, but for some of your group, they might be just as happy to have the whales come to them.

 

By any chance are you or anyboy in your party an Elks Lodge member?  If so, give thought to visiting the Waikiki Elks Lodge for some drinks and pupus.  It is like a time machine.  It will take you back to the 1950s.  I have lost my Elks Lodge contact.  The last couple times, we have wine and pupus at Gordon Birsch at the Aloha Tower center adjacent to where the ship docks at Honolulu.  Sadly, I see that the Gordon Biersch in Honolulu has been shuttered.  I hope something else takes its place.

 

We are booked for this same itinerary next January.  I hope it does go.

[jondfk]

We've done this cruise 5x (all from San Francisco), 3x over the holidays - and sadly - February 21 last year which landed us at Travis, I'll not digress.

 

The cruises covering the holidays were really special the whole ship is decorated bow to stern and top to bottom.  If you're the sort of person who can OD on the holidays, you'll struggle to find anywhere to get away, on the other hand if you love to immerse yourself well you'll be in heaven.

 

Special meals on Christmas and New Years.  Many special events throughout the cruise.  A festive spirit everywhere.  

 

On the other hand - these cruises are jam packed.  Lots of large family groups and many hundreds of kids onboard which can be delightful, but also inevitably become rambunctious especially with so many sea days.  Elevator bingo anyone?  The ships struggle with the larger than usual passenger load.  Expect longer lines for everything, ATD, showrooms, anywhere folks gather.  I personally would recommend traditional dining simply to avoid the long waits for ATD.

 

Another tip that might help, or at least inform your decision, know that Maui is a tender port, also know that there are only two tender berths in Lahaina and that local sightseeing boats have first priority to one of those berths this can make tendering a long, slow process, especially on a Saturday when local boats are most fully booked.  

 

I don't mean to accentuate the negative there are many good things about this cruise over the holidays.  Know however that it will certainly be sold out at that this will impact you in ways large and small.  Personally, we now typically book away from the holidays - but I do have some very fond memories of past Christmas cruises and this is something any cruise fan should experience a time or two in your life.

[Mike45LC]

I don't want to throw cold water on what everyone is praising as a great cruise experience, but as Skynight mentioned, you have to like sea days.  I prefer a "better" mix of sea days and port days. 

 

I had looked into the Hawaiian cruise, but decided against it.  On the typical seven day Mex Riviera cruise, I get three port days and three sea days.  In Europe, summer of 2019, I had five port days and two sea days.  In the Caribbean, I get mostly port days, but some sea days mixed in.  I enjoy sea days, but not too many, and not too  many in a row!!  And I prefer it when the sea days are beach weather.  [Alaska is an exception, but (even if this sounds like a barbarian) one day cruising the glaciers is enough, even with a wonderful view from my balcony.]

 

For my personal tastes, the cold weather on the first and last days of the Hawaiian cruise and the large number of sea days (especially the non-"beach weather" sea days) militates against this cruise.  But that is what makes horse racing interesting!!  I hope if you take it that this is the perfect cruise for you.  Just remember Skynight's caution that you have to enjoy sea days!!

 

[trbarton]

On 2/1/2021 at 11:17 AM, gkthorn said:

Looking for some feedback, from those of you who have taken the 15 day Holiday Hawaiian cruise departing from California.

 

Our group will be of 8 people ranging from 21 to 60 +.  We are looking to do this in 2022.

 

We have a wide arrange of interest and physical abilities, so lay it on us thick.

 

Any suggestions and highlights and views would be deeply appreciated.

 

Thank you,

 

Glenn ♠️

Glenn,

 

You will enjoy the cruise during the holidays. Here’s some photos taken December 2019. 
 

There will be many activities plus a couple that put on some Hawaiian music shows plus some classes. 
 

You will always be in the Holiday Spirt with all of the decorations. 
 

I’m on the Ruby in December 2021 & I’ll post some more photos. 
 

Any questions please ask. 
 

Tom😀
 

 

Edited February 3, 2021 by trbarton

[GoHuskies!]

On 2/1/2021 at 12:39 PM, katisdale said:

We did this cruise in 2019. It ended on January 4, 2020 so we were on-board for both Christmas and New Years. We traveled with our daughter and adult grandchildren. The Christmas decorations were lovely. The meals at Christmas and New Year's were also special. We especially enjoyed the holiday time with none of the preparations usually associated with the holidays. The crew were great. I use an electric wheelchair (completely collapsible) and had a good inside cabin. We had anytime dining which worked well for the 5 of us.

We especially enjoyed the team called Elua who provided Hawaiian enrichment activities. Our cruise was on the Star Princess out of San Pedro. Star has left the Princess fleet.

We had some poor weather so we missed one port stop but that allowed us to have an extra day in Honolulu. Overall we were very pleased with this cruise.

 

[GoHuskies!]

4 minutes ago, GoHuskies! said:

 

Sorry I mismanaged my post--I haven't been here for a while.  I have a question about your collapsible wheelchair, if you don't mind.  I am sure I will need such a thing by the time I cruise next year.  Is your electric wheelchair similar to some of the chairs I have seen similar to the Forcemech?  That type appeals to me, with my balance problems and limited distance ability.  I'd like to know how you have found yours to be easy to use aboard ship, boarding, maneuvering, getting to the various places onboard, storing in the cabin, etc.  I'd appreciate your opinion and assessment of how you use yours.  Thank you so much--you will put my mind at ease if I can hear what you have to say.  

[MplsYogini]

4 hours ago, XBGuy said:

I enjoyed Tiki Dave's port talks on the transit over to the islands.  Significantly, I took his advice on where to get the best Shave Ice.  It's in Lahaina.  Today, I could walk right to it, but I do not recall the name of the place.  Sorry.

 

I would assume it's Ululani's.