FL to “take all legal action as necessary” to restart cruising.

[doneall50]

FL Gov DeSantis and Atty Gen Moody held a meeting with cruise industry execs in Port Canaveral this morning regarding restarting cruising in the US by July. Consensus seems to be that unelected bureaucrats, the CDC, should not have the power to shut down an entire industry and then just “kick the can” rather than engaging.  Atty Gen Moody says FL will “take all legal action as necessary” with the federal govt to get cruising started again. 

 

[paulh84]

The USCG, CBP, HHS, CDC, OMB and every other agency and regulatory entity involved.....

 

[Host Jazzbeau]

Nothing but opinions here...

[howiefrommd]

Pure theater. 

[Ken the cruiser]

16 minutes ago, Host Jazzbeau said:

Nothing but opinions here...

BUT, at least key Florida officials seem to be jumping in to help the cruise lines get started sailing again. Up until this point it sure appeared, from over here in the cheap seats, things were pretty much at a standstill for cruising to restart in July, well after a variety of vaccines will have been easily accessible. At least it's something.🤞 

Edited March 26, 2021 by Ken the cruiser

[cruisestitch]

Just what kind of “legal action as necessary” are they talking about?

[Jeremiah1212]

If the states wanted to help, they would offer to shift their vaccine supply to crew. No one is really talking about that part. How are these people getting vaccinated, especially at a rate high enough to staff full ships? 

 

Rightfully so, all of the seniors, high risk people  and other groups will limited access to vaccines would be thrilled to know the supply is going to the pool bartender instead of themselves. 

[grandgeezer]

So soon? It’s only been shutdown for 12 1/2 months.

[LGW59]

2 minutes ago, cruisestitch said:

Just what kind of “legal action as necessary” are they talking about?

are the going to sue the federal govt?  Thinking, right that will not happen

[grandgeezer]

Did they talk to the Department of Health and Human Services, they oversee the CDC? Did they talk to Washington political people, example the Executive Branch? Probably not. All these accusers are is a bunch of attention getting prima donnas. It's the equivalent to someone contacting the CEO of Celebrity because their room steward didn't clean their room fast or good enough. The person could have contacted the housekeeping manager and hotel director.

The sad part is if they get their way, they'll be heroes rather than the ones that let this drag on for so ling before taking action.

[Auntiemomo]

18 minutes ago, LGW59 said:

are the going to sue the federal govt?  Thinking, right that will not happen

Oh, it's happened many times, and too many to count.  State Governments get sued all the time also.  

[mac_tlc]

1 hour ago, howiefrommd said:

Pure theater. 

Exactly

[paulh84]

Full disclosure, I did not watch the entire video. I did pick up on the fact that Florida is essentially crippled without the cruise industry.

 

Can someone tell me the point to skip to where the panel offers a plan and solutions that may help the cruiselines and the industry? Like securing quarantine facilities if necessary, maybe help with preboarding testing and lab work, additional medical staff for ships if they needed to dispatch help, transportation if people are sick, perhaps getting crew and port employees vaccinated? Essentially anything to be met with a response that is in direct opposition to his statements a year ago where 'sick' people couldn't come spread their disease on Florida shores? I must have missed that part.

 

Or just threaten to sue 🤷‍♂️

[gerelmx]

With departures opening at no Florida ports, they feel like business is getting out of hand.

[Ken the cruiser]

Can you feel it??? The momentum to get back to cruising is starting to shift! Could it be the light is getting a little brighter? I sure can. 

 

It first started around the time when the folks in Alaska started causing waves regarding the temporary waiver to portions of the PVSA when Canada decided to close their cruise ports until early 2022. They didn't succeed, but at least they tried. Then there's the UK decision to allow local cruises to nowhere to start up in the next few months for their local residents. And then just recently when Crystal and Royal Caribbean decided to start cruising out of the Bahamas, Bermuda and St Maarten.

 

I sure can ...

Edited March 26, 2021 by Ken the cruiser

[hcat]

We were in Florida for several months this year...We were impressed. 

  Even if this effort can't succeed to get U.S, cruises started , it may keep the conversation about cruising in focus,. COVID  economic Recovery can and should  include the  US cruising!

 

Many other states have cruise ports  including Alaska, Washington,  Texas, Carolinas, NJ, NY, Louisiana,  Ca , Oregon, Md, Rhode Island, Mass, Maine,   plus territories of Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands.   

 

If they all pulled together through their Governor's Assocs, it might help things  move ahead ( safely, of course)  and help with sorely needed local jobs, related businesses like hotels, restaurants,  taxi, limo , air travel, and overall  local economy. Might  also save the US cruise Industry???

[Ken the cruiser]

7 minutes ago, paulh84 said:

Can someone tell me the point to skip to where the panel offers a plan and solutions that may help the cruiselines and the industry? Like securing quarantine facilities if necessary, maybe help with preboarding testing and lab work, additional medical staff for ships if they needed to dispatch help, transportation if people are sick, perhaps getting crew and port employees vaccinated? 

If every adult is required to be vaccinated and minors are required to provide a negative PCR test prior to boarding, why would any of these issues be relevant?

[cruisestitch]

I hate to be a Debbie downer, but the attempts from Alaska’s Congressional delegates was also just pure theater.

 

The temporary waiver of the PVSA addresses only one impediment to Cruising. The Alaska congressional delegates did nothing about the requirements that cruise ship staff would all have to have US citizenship or a green card if their measure passed.  
 

 

[paulh84]

3 minutes ago, Ken the cruiser said:

If every adult is required to be vaccinated and minors are required to provide a negative PCR test prior to boarding, why would any of these issues be relevant?

 

According to the CLIA they haven't even opined on a vaccination policy. Not even a temporary stance for a period of time until more improvement is shown. Until then, contingency plans are needed, even if on paper. See the second video posted? Post 10. That is exactly what needs to be avoided. 

[cruisestitch]

Also, ken the cruiser, Remember that getting the vaccine is not a guarantee that you won’t get the virus. All they are telling us is that if you do get the virus after vaccination, it won’t be sufficiently severe to cause hospitalization or death.  
 

So let’s say that everyone on the ship is vaccinated, and all the crew. But some might still be carriers. They land at a port, go ashore, buy some stuff at the shops, talk to the immigration officer, get on a tour bus, go to see the sights and you might still spread the virus wherever they go 

[Ken the cruiser]

1 minute ago, cruisestitch said:

Also, ken the cruiser, Remember that getting the vaccine is not a guarantee that you won’t get the virus. All they are telling us is that if you do get the virus after vaccination, it won’t be sufficiently severe to cause hospitalization or death.  
 

So let’s say that everyone on the ship is vaccinated, and all the crew. But some might still be carriers. They land at a port, go ashore, buy some stuff at the shops, talk to the immigration officer, get on a tour bus, go to see the sights and you might still spread the virus wherever they go 

Not an issue if you're only allowed to disembark on cruiseline sponsored excursions.

[mom says]

2 hours ago, doneall50 said:

FL Gov DeSantis and Atty Gen Moody held a meeting with cruise industry execs in Port Canaveral this morning regarding restarting cruising in the US by July. Consensus seems to be that unelected bureaucrats, the CDC, should not have the power to shut down an entire industry and then just “kick the can” rather than engaging.  Atty Gen Moody says FL will “take all legal action as necessary” with the federal govt to get cruising started again. 

Pure political posturing. And if the experts in the field in question ( these unelected bureaucrats) aren't the ones qualified to make these decisions, why would you allow elected officials with something to gain, but with no deep knowledge of the subject, to do it?  Florida hasn't exactly been the poster child for responsible COVID management. This is just more of that.

Edited March 26, 2021 by mom says

[Ken the cruiser]

5 minutes ago, paulh84 said:

According to the CLIA they haven't even opined on a vaccination policy. Not even a temporary stance for a period of time until more improvement is shown. Until then, contingency plans are needed, even if on paper. See the second video posted? Post 10. That is exactly what needs to be avoided. 

But if that was a requirement the cruise lines agreed to, would these issues still be relevant?

[mom says]

1 minute ago, Ken the cruiser said:

Not an issue if you're only allowed to disembark on cruiseline sponsored excursions.

But what about the positive cases that do show up on the ship? Is DeSantis going to welcome them back with open arms and provide treatment and quarantine facilities for them?

[LGW59]

2 minutes ago, mom says said:

But what about the positive cases that do show up on the ship? Is DeSantis going to welcome them back with open arms and provide treatment and quarantine facilities for them?

Based on the evidenced produced here earlier, only if they live in FL