Rare BirdTravels Posted November 22, 2021 #1 Share Posted November 22, 2021 With the CDC authorization of the COVID vaccine boosters for all adults, several states are already saying that you are not fully vaccinated until you have 3 doses. How soon will NCL a change their vaccination policy to be the same. And, in the process, raise the minimum age of cruisers to 18 years old, since that is the minimum age for the booster? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkrickles1 Posted November 22, 2021 #2 Share Posted November 22, 2021 13 minutes ago, BirdTravels said: With the CDC authorization of the COVID vaccine boosters for all adults, several states are already saying that you are not fully vaccinated until you have 3 doses. How soon will NCL a change their vaccination policy to be the same. And, in the process, raise the minimum age of cruisers to 18 years old, since that is the minimum age for the booster? I don't believe that will ever happen. Just my personal opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njhorseman Posted November 22, 2021 #3 Share Posted November 22, 2021 1 hour ago, BirdTravels said: With the CDC authorization of the COVID vaccine boosters for all adults, several states are already saying that you are not fully vaccinated until you have 3 doses. How soon will NCL a change their vaccination policy to be the same. And, in the process, raise the minimum age of cruisers to 18 years old, since that is the minimum age for the booster? 50 minutes ago, bkrickles1 said: I don't believe that will ever happen. Just my personal opinion. I just read that the former commissioner of the FDA believes the CDC will not change the definition of fully vaccinated to require a third dose anytime soon. I'm reasonably confident that NCL will not change its definition unless the CDC does. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/11/22/world/covid-vaccine-boosters-mandates#booster-scott-gottlieb 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkrickles1 Posted November 22, 2021 #4 Share Posted November 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, njhorseman said: I just read that the former commissioner of the FDA believes the CDC will not change the definition of fully vaccinated to require a third dose anytime soon. I'm reasonably confident that NCL will not change its definition unless the CDC does. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/11/22/world/covid-vaccine-boosters-mandates#booster-scott-gottlieb Exactly! And I believe Scott Gottlieb works with NCL too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njhorseman Posted November 22, 2021 #5 Share Posted November 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, bkrickles1 said: Exactly! And I believe Scott Gottlieb works with NCL too. Yes, he was co-chair of the Healthy Sail Panel that developed NCL's protocols. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSUmom Posted November 22, 2021 #6 Share Posted November 22, 2021 What about the Jansen single dose? A second required? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njhorseman Posted November 22, 2021 #7 Share Posted November 22, 2021 2 hours ago, TSUmom said: What about the Jansen single dose? A second required? Again, the CDC protocols will undoubtedly be the determining factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinkr2 Posted November 22, 2021 #8 Share Posted November 22, 2021 2 hours ago, TSUmom said: What about the Jansen single dose? A second required? I have 2 Johnson and Johnson bc I was in the trial. I am supposed to get a third dose of J&J which will really confuse them. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillygwm Posted November 22, 2021 #9 Share Posted November 22, 2021 4 hours ago, BirdTravels said: How soon will NCL a change their vaccination policy to be the same. And, in the process, raise the minimum age of cruisers to 18 years old, since that is the minimum age for the booster? I personally have my booster but don't see a mandate anytime soon, especially since residents of other countries aren't necessarily eligible for boosters yet and I don't think NCL is ready to lose their international clientele. So the question becomes "How long until boosters are recommended in the rest of the world?" I'll defer to experts on that but can't see it happening for a year, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BermudaBound2014 Posted November 22, 2021 #10 Share Posted November 22, 2021 My opinion is that boosters will eventually be required to travel. Certainly for international travel as Croatia, Austria, and Israel are already requiring a booster shot based on the timing of the first round, and the UK has modified it's covid passport to accommodate a booster to avoid quarantine. There are more positive covid cases now than at any time in history in Michigan. Ironically some states with the highest vaccination rates currently have higher covid numbers than at anytime during the entire pandemic (Vermont, Maine, etc..). Thankfully death rates are down. Currently, 26% of covid patients at University of Michigan Hospital have been double vaccinated and that percentage has been rising since early fall. The CDC agrees that the vaccine is becoming less effective and has recommended a booster. IMO, It's only a matter of time before travel requirements follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ontheweb Posted November 22, 2021 #11 Share Posted November 22, 2021 4 hours ago, BirdTravels said: With the CDC authorization of the COVID vaccine boosters for all adults, several states are already saying that you are not fully vaccinated until you have 3 doses. How soon will NCL a change their vaccination policy to be the same. And, in the process, raise the minimum age of cruisers to 18 years old, since that is the minimum age for the booster? Just out of curiosity, what states have said that you are not fully vaccinated until you have 3 doses? I have not seen any report that says this. (I have had my Moderna booster shot.) And I will echo what others have said, this requirement will not be done by NCL or any cruise line unless the CDC mandates that a booster shot is required to be considered fully vaccinated. A bigger question may very well be will a booster shot be required yearly, similar to a yearly flu shot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BermudaBound2014 Posted November 22, 2021 #12 Share Posted November 22, 2021 20 minutes ago, ontheweb said: Just out of curiosity, what states have said that you are not fully vaccinated until you have 3 doses? I have not seen any report that says this. (I have had my Moderna booster shot.) And I will echo what others have said, this requirement will not be done by NCL or any cruise line unless the CDC mandates that a booster shot is required to be considered fully vaccinated. A bigger question may very well be will a booster shot be required yearly, similar to a yearly flu shot? I'm unaware of any states which have claimed you need a booster to be fully vaccinated, but there are several countries who already have this requirement and talk is much of the EU is headed this direction. Israel currently requires a booster every 6 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intr3pid Posted November 22, 2021 #13 Share Posted November 22, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, njhorseman said: I just read that the former commissioner of the FDA believes the CDC will not change the definition of fully vaccinated to require a third dose anytime soon. I'm reasonably confident that NCL will not change its definition unless the CDC does. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/11/22/world/covid-vaccine-boosters-mandates#booster-scott-gottlieb He isn't definitive about it: https://www.businessinsider.com/gottlieb-cdc-will-likely-require-covid-booster-fully-vaccinated-2021-11 And has been wrong before: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/16/dr-scott-gottlieb-moderna-covid-vaccine-could-help-end-pandemic-.html But, I agree. NCL will not jump the gun. CDC will have to mandate it first. Edited November 22, 2021 by intr3pid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kochleffel Posted November 22, 2021 #14 Share Posted November 22, 2021 One thing I'm keeping in mind for travel is that by sometime in 2022, a fourth jab might be required by some countries. It's not yet clear how long the strengthened immunity from a booster lasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xfer Posted November 22, 2021 #15 Share Posted November 22, 2021 57 minutes ago, ontheweb said: Just out of curiosity, what states have said that you are not fully vaccinated until you have 3 doses? I have not seen any report that says this. (I have had my Moderna booster shot.) And I will echo what others have said, this requirement will not be done by NCL or any cruise line unless the CDC mandates that a booster shot is required to be considered fully vaccinated. A bigger question may very well be will a booster shot be required yearly, similar to a yearly flu shot? NPR said "Fauci was also asked about the governors of Connecticut and New Mexico saying that people are no longer considered fully vaccinated until they've gotten booster shots. He said the federal definition of fully vaccinated remains unchanged: two doses of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines or one dose of the Johnson & Johnson shot." in this article: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/11/21/1057791427/covid-in-the-u-s-disney-florida-vaccine-mandate-boosters-fauci-2021-death-toll 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BirdTravels Posted November 24, 2021 Author #16 Share Posted November 24, 2021 On 11/22/2021 at 12:01 PM, ontheweb said: Just out of curiosity, what states have said that you are not fully vaccinated until you have 3 doses? I have not seen any report that says this. (I have had my Moderna booster shot.) Most recently New Mexico and Connecticut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lixogab Posted November 24, 2021 #17 Share Posted November 24, 2021 I think eventually it will be required, but not as 3rd , 4th, etc, but as " the latest shot not older than N months" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ziggyuk Posted November 24, 2021 #18 Share Posted November 24, 2021 27 minutes ago, lixogab said: I think eventually it will be required, but not as 3rd , 4th, etc, but as " the latest shot not older than N months" Yes, exactly what Israel have done, fully vaccinated and last shot not older than 6 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALS1214 Posted November 24, 2021 #19 Share Posted November 24, 2021 I got the single does J&J in March. I am on the fence about mixing shots but when I asked my Dr. she said she was not a fan of J&J for women because of clotting issues. I know NCL did not take mixed vaccine and wondering if that would include boosters. Has anyone gotten a J&J and another shot like Moderna? Any side effects? I want to cruise as safely as I can. Going on Getaway in April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ziggyuk Posted November 24, 2021 #20 Share Posted November 24, 2021 19 minutes ago, ALS1214 said: I got the single does J&J in March. I am on the fence about mixing shots but when I asked my Dr. she said she was not a fan of J&J for women because of clotting issues. I know NCL did not take mixed vaccine and wondering if that would include boosters. Has anyone gotten a J&J and another shot like Moderna? Any side effects? I want to cruise as safely as I can. Going on Getaway in April. That has changed, mixed approved vaccines are now OK. https://www.ncl.com/uk/en/cruise-faq/what-vaccines-will-be-accepted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwalaska Posted November 24, 2021 #21 Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, ALS1214 said: I got the single does J&J in March. I am on the fence about mixing shots but when I asked my Dr. she said she was not a fan of J&J for women because of clotting issues. I know NCL did not take mixed vaccine and wondering if that would include boosters. Has anyone gotten a J&J and another shot like Moderna? Any side effects? I want to cruise as safely as I can. Going on Getaway in April. From a medical professional friend, studies are showing that mixing types for booster is actually more effective, especially adding Pfizer or Moderna on top of J&J is actually recommended due to the different approaches to how it is protecting you. Edited November 24, 2021 by alwalaska 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonzoWCS Posted November 24, 2021 #22 Share Posted November 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, ziggyuk said: That has changed, mixed approved vaccines are now OK. https://www.ncl.com/uk/en/cruise-faq/what-vaccines-will-be-accepted Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowardK Posted November 24, 2021 #23 Share Posted November 24, 2021 At what point will a 4th dose be needed? Hopefully over time a longer period than in between the 2nd and 3rd. One possibility is at some point the cruise lines would say proof of booster or dose within the last 6 months or whatever timeframe the CDC feels effectiveness lasts. Right now we are seeing an increase in cases due to the effectiveness of dose #2 wearing off, people not being careful and those who have not gotten dose #1. Enough time has been given for variants to develop and spread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatorchinsky Posted December 6, 2021 #24 Share Posted December 6, 2021 I know to be considered fully vaccinated you need to have the 2 shots and completed 2 weeks prior to sailing (which we are); but does the same apply to the booster? I know the booster is not mandatory but if we got it, would we have to get it more than 2 weeks before we sail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillygwm Posted December 6, 2021 #25 Share Posted December 6, 2021 23 minutes ago, gatorchinsky said: I know to be considered fully vaccinated you need to have the 2 shots and completed 2 weeks prior to sailing (which we are); but does the same apply to the booster? I know the booster is not mandatory but if we got it, would we have to get it more than 2 weeks before we sail? Not per anything on the NCL site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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