New to Cunard and I have a few questions

[Flipflopsforever949]

As part of our honeymoon, my soon-to-be wife and I will be going on a northern lights cruise this November on the QM2.

 

While we have both cruised before, we haven't been on Cunard and when looking at the staterooms I had a few questions:

 

1. Given that it's a northern lights cruise we are going to opt for at least a balcony in case we get awoken in the middle of the night and don't want to hobble upstairs.

I see there are several kinds of balcony staterooms including Britannia club. 

2. The Britannia club is currently sold out for our cruise. How likely is it that a spot will open or should we just book a regular balcony? Partially obstructed or no?

3. I also see the princess grill room and while it is likely out of budget considering this is only part 2 of our honeymoon, we may be persuaded if it really is a worthy investment. Is the price justifiable?

4. Dress code - we are Californians, so we usually keep it casual in our day to day. Does business casual (slacks and a polo/golf shirt for us) work for most evenings there? I'm not super keen on wearing long pants every night but if it's required to see the shows, lord knows my betrothed will be leading me there.

5. Any other general advice or recommendations for having a wonderful time?

 

Thank you

[Host Hattie]

You're going to Northern Europe in November, you'll be wearing long trousers all the time ! It's going to be cold.

 

Congratulations on your wedding 

[exlondoner]

Whatever you book, let them know it's your honeymoon. You never know with the upgrade fairy. I wouldn't book a partially obstructed cabin on a cruise where there is so much to see from the ship. The PG cabins on QM2 are very nice indeed. Although you don't have to wear one on informal nights, you may well need a jacket as well as long trousers. It really won't be warm.

[TheOldBear]

39 minutes ago, Flipflopsforever949 said:

As part of our honeymoon, my soon-to-be wife and I will be going on a northern lights cruise this November on the QM2.

Will you be doing the 26 night NYC round trip [25 October], or meeting the QM2 in Southampton for just the 12 night Northern Lights [1 November] cruise? 

There are 'Roll Call' threads for both embarkation points.

39 minutes ago, Flipflopsforever949 said:

 

While we have both cruised before, we haven't been on Cunard and when looking at the staterooms I had a few questions:

 

1. Given that it's a northern lights cruise we are going to opt for at least a balcony in case we get awoken in the middle of the night and don't want to hobble upstairs.

I see there are several kinds of balcony staterooms including Britannia club. 

2. The Britannia club is currently sold out for our cruise. How likely is it that a spot will open or should we just book a regular balcony? Partially obstructed or no?

Even the deck 8 'obstructed' balconies have a view of the sky - it's just the view straight to the horizon that is obstructed by a lifeboat or tender.

The deck 13 Britannia Club balconies have glass shower doors - all the rest [BC and regular Britannia ] have shower curtains. I believe the only significant interior difference for balcony rooms is that a small number have connecting doors to the adjacent room.

 

We tend to opt for a 'sheltered balcony' on a lower deck.

39 minutes ago, Flipflopsforever949 said:

3. I also see the princess grill room and while it is likely out of budget considering this is only part 2 of our honeymoon, we may be persuaded if it really is a worthy investment. Is the price justifiable?

4. Dress code - we are Californians, so we usually keep it casual in our day to day. Does business casual (slacks and a polo/golf shirt for us) work for most evenings there? I'm not super keen on wearing long pants every night but if it's required to see the shows, lord knows my betrothed will be leading me there.

The formal / "Gala" nights are jacket & tie nights [I bring a tux]. My understanding is that the casual / "smart attire" nights recently have been relaxed to just a collared shirt, and any kind of slacks except blue jeans or shorts.  

Most of the public spaces will follow the evening dress code, but this is not absolute - for example the G32 night club is always casual, but is accessible only via the Queens Room.

 

For the Norway stops on the sailing you will need clothing that's a bit warmer than shorts and polo shirts - see https://www.visittromso.no/travel/how-to-dress for some recommendations.

39 minutes ago, Flipflopsforever949 said:

5. Any other general advice or recommendations for having a wonderful time?

 

Thank you

 

[GonzoWCS]

Good information here.  Thanks!

 

Cheers

[bluemarble]

48 minutes ago, Flipflopsforever949 said:

4. Dress code - we are Californians, so we usually keep it casual in our day to day. Does business casual (slacks and a polo/golf shirt for us) work for most evenings there? I'm not super keen on wearing long pants every night but if it's required to see the shows, lord knows my betrothed will be leading me there.

 

Just to warn you, the dress code can be a hot button issue on this forum. I'll expand a bit on what has already been mentioned. The dress code requests long trousers throughout most of the ship after 6:00pm, not just for the shows. Here's what it has to say about that.

 

"Please note that after 6:00pm, shorts and blue or worn denim (for men and women); sandals and sleeveless tops (for men) are not considered appropriate within the ship.

 

Of course, if you prefer to spend your evenings in more relaxed attire, a selection of casual dining and entertainment venues is always available for your enjoyment. Feel free to dress casually as you visit any of the following venues: Kings Court, Lido Buffet, Golden Lion, Casino, Carinthia Lounge, Winter Garden, Garden Lounge, Yacht Club, and G32. Non-ripped, jeans are appropriate, but please refrain from wearing shorts, sports attire, swim wear or sleeveless t-shirts outside of the gym, spa and deck spaces."

 

To help clarify that list of casual venues, the Lido Buffet, Winter Garden, Garden Lounge and Yacht Club are venues on QE and/or QV, not QM2.

 

Also, here is how the evening dress code is worded once on board the ships. This applies to venues other than the more casual venues listed above.

 

"Gala Evening.

Dinner jacket, tuxedo, or dark suit with regular tie or bow tie for gentlemen. Evening or cocktail dress, smart trouser suit, or formal separates for ladies.

 

Smart Attire.
Gentlemen, every night we request you wear trousers with a collared shirt; jacket and tie are optional. Ladies, blouses and skirts or stylish trousers and dresses are welcome."

 

There will be three gala evenings on your itinerary if you are looking to book the 12-night Northern Lights itinerary out of Southampton. There will be seven gala evenings on the longer 26-night itinerary departing from New York.

[Lakesregion]

8 hours ago, Flipflopsforever949 said:

As part of our honeymoon, my soon-to-be wife and I will be going on a northern lights cruise this November on the QM2.

 

While we have both cruised before, we haven't been on Cunard and when looking at the staterooms I had a few questions:

 

1. Given that it's a northern lights cruise we are going to opt for at least a balcony in case we get awoken in the middle of the night and don't want to hobble upstairs.

I see there are several kinds of balcony staterooms including Britannia club. 

2. The Britannia club is currently sold out for our cruise. How likely is it that a spot will open or should we just book a regular balcony? Partially obstructed or no?

3. I also see the princess grill room and while it is likely out of budget considering this is only part 2 of our honeymoon, we may be persuaded if it really is a worthy investment. Is the price justifiable?

4. Dress code - we are Californians, so we usually keep it casual in our day to day. Does business casual (slacks and a polo/golf shirt for us) work for most evenings there? I'm not super keen on wearing long pants every night but if it's required to see the shows, lord knows my betrothed will be leading me there.

5. Any other general advice or recommendations for having a wonderful time?

 

Thank you

Long pants and a long sleeved dress shirt are the minimum requirements for dining in the restaurants and then on gala evenings the anti is increased to require a dark suit with dress shirt and tie or a tuxedo. If you find either not to your liking then the buffets is more casual but no where on the ship are shorts allowed after 6 pm except room service in your cabin.

[LibertyBella]

Hello Flipflopsforever949--

Cunard is definitely NOT California casual. It is old world formal, very traditional and British. Many people (like me) book Cunard just to dress up.  We just sailed QM2 in July, and husband wore his tuxedo and bow ties (red, white & blue for July 4th), while I had two long gowns and five short very dressy dresses (sequins) for dinner. I even brought different dresses to wear to lunch.

Everybody at our table of eight dressed up, including the couple from England next to us who were celebrating their 60th wedding anniversary. You do not have to go that fancy, but you CAN and many do.

 

We never do the buffets for dinner--we are on board to celebrate and enjoy the richness and elegance of the dining experience.  After dinner a certain number of cruisers are in the Queen's room, swirling around as they ballroom dance.  Please note there are not just Americans on this cruise--you will find a number of British and Europeans and Asians, etc. who stick to the dress code.

 

Since this is your honeymoon, go with the flow and dress up a bit. You will find the experience could be very romantic!

 

Also, pay attention to your weather forecast.  I have met many Californians who do not know how to dress for colder climates.  I loved having a balcony--we ate breakfast outside and we frequently enjoyed the fresh air.  But, if it is too cold to open the door, what is the point?

 

We are also going to see the Northern lights in November, but we are flying directly to Iceland and will be tramping around.  Snow could be in the forecast.  A cruise is certainly a more glamorous way to see that spectacle.

 

Finally, try to participate in some of the very special QM2 activities--lectures, shows, theater, ballroom dancing, planetarium, etc.  Don't forget to take a few studio photos, also.

 

Best wishes, and have a wonderful honeymoon!!

 

 

[LB_NJ]

4 hours ago, Lakesregion said:

Long pants and a long sleeved dress shirt are the minimum requirements for dining in the restaurants and then on gala evenings the anti is increased to require a dark suit with dress shirt and tie or a tuxedo. If you find either not to your liking then the buffets is more casual but no where on the ship are shorts allowed after 6 pm except room service in your cabin.

 

The sit-down dining room is a much better choice than the buffet.  If you are cruising on the QM2 you should really bring a dark suit.

 

Cunard has a tradition of formality.  For example, afternoon teas and ballroom dancing.  Not sure if it is still offered however, they used to have fencing lessons.

 

FYI, the passengers on the QM2 tend to skew older.

 

Personally, I love the QM2 however it is not for everyone. 

 

Also, I have not sailed Cunard post COVID so not sure how service and food quality has fared.  Pre-COVID I thought service was good in Britannia and the food was OK for dinner.  I haven't sailed Princess but from what I have heard the food is better.

 

I have sailed obstructed balcony.  If you go for balcony, I would spend the few extra dollars for an unobstructed view versus obstructed on your honeymoon.  The one caveat is that a balcony may really not be worth it in November.  Due to the cold, you might rarely use it. If it were the summer, I would say absolutely yes get a balcony.

 

 

[Flipflopsforever949]

19 hours ago, Host Hattie said:

You're going to Northern Europe in November, you'll be wearing long trousers all the time ! It's going to be cold.

 

Congratulations on your wedding 

Apologies, I meant we usually wear jeans which seem to not be as acceptable?
Additionally, part 3 of our trip will take us to Seychelles, Bali or Maldives. We haven't decided yet, but we will have clothing for all climates hah.

 

19 hours ago, exlondoner said:

Whatever you book, let them know it's your honeymoon. You never know with the upgrade fairy. I wouldn't book a partially obstructed cabin on a cruise where there is so much to see from the ship. The PG cabins on QM2 are very nice indeed. Although you don't have to wear one on informal nights, you may well need a jacket as well as long trousers. It really won't be warm.

 

Thank you for the information. I can bring a jacket but since we are going other places, it does take up some valuable real estate in my luggage. I may just have to bring an additional suitcase for each climate we visit.

 

18 hours ago, TheOldBear said:

Will you be doing the 26 night NYC round trip [25 October], or meeting the QM2 in Southampton for just the 12 night Northern Lights [1 November] cruise? 

There are 'Roll Call' threads for both embarkation points.

Even the deck 8 'obstructed' balconies have a view of the sky - it's just the view straight to the horizon that is obstructed by a lifeboat or tender.

The deck 13 Britannia Club balconies have glass shower doors - all the rest [BC and regular Britannia ] have shower curtains. I believe the only significant interior difference for balcony rooms is that a small number have connecting doors to the adjacent room.

 

We tend to opt for a 'sheltered balcony' on a lower deck.

The formal / "Gala" nights are jacket & tie nights [I bring a tux]. My understanding is that the casual / "smart attire" nights recently have been relaxed to just a collared shirt, and any kind of slacks except blue jeans or shorts.  

Most of the public spaces will follow the evening dress code, but this is not absolute - for example the G32 night club is always casual, but is accessible only via the Queens Room.

 

For the Norway stops on the sailing you will need clothing that's a bit warmer than shorts and polo shirts - see https://www.visittromso.no/travel/how-to-dress for some recommendations.

 

Originally the round trip sounded nice, or at least hopping on in NYC and disembarking in England after the cruise gets back from Norway but it seems like that's not a possibility. So, we opted instead to visit Disney Paris for 2 days before we take the chunnel (first time for me!) to London and sail for 12 days.

Yes, sounds like I will bring a jacket with my slacks at the very least since we do enjoy the formal evenings.

Recommendations for private transfer to Southampton from London are appreciated! Trying to avoid potential covid issues as much as possible.

Yes, I see that it may be 35F in Tromsø during the day, so we shall prepare for this. I may have to purchase the hot chocolate package for my fiancée to survive onboard.

 

6 hours ago, LibertyBella said:

Hello Flipflopsforever949--

Cunard is definitely NOT California casual. It is old world formal, very traditional and British. Many people (like me) book Cunard just to dress up.  We just sailed QM2 in July, and husband wore his tuxedo and bow ties (red, white & blue for July 4th), while I had two long gowns and five short very dressy dresses (sequins) for dinner. I even brought different dresses to wear to lunch.

Everybody at our table of eight dressed up, including the couple from England next to us who were celebrating their 60th wedding anniversary. You do not have to go that fancy, but you CAN and many do.

 

We never do the buffets for dinner--we are on board to celebrate and enjoy the richness and elegance of the dining experience.  After dinner a certain number of cruisers are in the Queen's room, swirling around as they ballroom dance.  Please note there are not just Americans on this cruise--you will find a number of British and Europeans and Asians, etc. who stick to the dress code.

 

Since this is your honeymoon, go with the flow and dress up a bit. You will find the experience could be very romantic!

 

Also, pay attention to your weather forecast.  I have met many Californians who do not know how to dress for colder climates.  I loved having a balcony--we ate breakfast outside and we frequently enjoyed the fresh air.  But, if it is too cold to open the door, what is the point?

 

We are also going to see the Northern lights in November, but we are flying directly to Iceland and will be tramping around.  Snow could be in the forecast.  A cruise is certainly a more glamorous way to see that spectacle.

 

Finally, try to participate in some of the very special QM2 activities--lectures, shows, theater, ballroom dancing, planetarium, etc.  Don't forget to take a few studio photos, also.

 

Best wishes, and have a wonderful honeymoon!!

 

 

Thank you. We can definitely bring some flair with us for dinners. Are people usually sat with others at dinner to mingle or are most sat at their own tables of 2?

My fiancée prefers doing all activities available. Provided Cunard also follows the formula of dropping off itinerary on your pillow the night before, MANY items will be circled and a schedule will be adhered to.

 

11 hours ago, Lakesregion said:

Long pants and a long sleeved dress shirt are the minimum requirements for dining in the restaurants and then on gala evenings the anti is increased to require a dark suit with dress shirt and tie or a tuxedo. If you find either not to your liking then the buffets is more casual but no where on the ship are shorts allowed after 6 pm except room service in your cabin.

I was to understand the casino / buffet also allowed shorts after 6pm, is this not correct?

 

6 hours ago, LB_NJ said:

 

The sit-down dining room is a much better choice than the buffet.  If you are cruising on the QM2 you should really bring a dark suit.

 

Cunard has a tradition of formality.  For example, afternoon teas and ballroom dancing.  Not sure if it is still offered however, they used to have fencing lessons.

 

FYI, the passengers on the QM2 tend to skew older.

 

Personally, I love the QM2 however it is not for everyone. 

 

Also, I have not sailed Cunard post COVID so not sure how service and food quality has fared.  Pre-COVID I thought service was good in Britannia and the food was OK for dinner.  I haven't sailed Princess but from what I have heard the food is better.

 

I have sailed obstructed balcony.  If you go for balcony, I would spend the few extra dollars for an unobstructed view versus obstructed on your honeymoon.  The one caveat is that a balcony may really not be worth it in November.  Due to the cold, you might rarely use it. If it were the summer, I would say absolutely yes get a balcony.

 

 

 

Is the ballroom dancing for seasoned veterans or new persons as I'm fairly certain my soon-to-be wife and I are not particularly well-versed in this artform.

In regards to the members skewing older, that is fine. We are mainly here for the lights, though we can still hold a decent conversation. We do work in healthcare so we interact with our fair share of - what's the british word - pensioners? 🙂

Thank you, I think we shall look for the unobstructed balcony.

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Thank you everyone for your responses. Does anyone happen to know if Britannia rooms get canceled and are open to being booked often? Or is that a rarity and we should look to just book a regular balcony room?

Additionally, on other cruises we have been on, if you can't decide on an appetizer/entrée, sometimes you just order two of them and can try both if you like. Is this something done on this cruise line or would this be considered a bit garish?

[exlondoner]

I'll try to answer some of the supplementaries.

 

1. BClub cabins do sometimes become free. We once got an upgrade to one, having tried and failed to book.

 

2. They are usually happy to bring you two things, if you can't decide what you want .

 

3. You can specify your preferred table size on booking, and in discussion with the Md'H after boarding. It is not guaranteed though.

 

4. The Daily Programme for the next day does arrive every evening. Shore excursions can be booked further in advance, even before you board, but I never bother.

 

5. I don't think they like shorts anywhere after 6pm.

 

6. A dark suit really is the minimum for formal nights, and it would be a shame to miss these. I can see this will be of limited use in the other places on you itinerary. As someone suggested elsewhere, perhaps you could wear the jacket on the plane to save packing space, or hire once aboard.

 

I'm sure I've missed some things. Sorry, but I bet you'll have an amazing time.

[rakkor]

There are some examples of the Daily Programme on my blog (https://blog.rakkor.uk) under the Daily Programme section - They should give you some idea as to the daily itinerary.

 

Pre-covid we always chose a table for ten, we always found this to be the best for us.

[BouncingWheel]

We did the Northern lights cruise in March and it definitely meant a lot of packing and suitcases. You can definitely wear the "California Casual" during the daytime and I seem to remember @rakkor in shorts 😉. They obviously try to control the inside temperature to be warm and comfortable even when there is snow outside.  However, you will definitely need thermals/winter wear  etc... as well as the formal wear mentioned. For cruising, it was no issue with the amount of clothes taken but if it is only a leg of many tours then transporting all the extra luggage around elsewhere could be cumbersome and costly when it comes to planes, trains and transfers - I am guessing that is what you are trying to minimise but I don't see much of a way around it.

[ballroom-cruisers]

The ballroom dancing in the Queens Room has people of various abilities. If beginners stay near the edge as they go anticlockwise around the floor then more experienced dancers can go around when overtaking on the inside track, and it works well. If couples do something other than the correct dance for the ballroom dances, or block the middle of the floor, then it clogs everything up. The Latin dances don't travel apart from samba, or the rarely played paso, in which case the same rules as above keeps everything working well. There are also dance classes for beginners that sometimes include some teaching for more experienced dancers too.

[Host Hattie]

That sounds like a bit of a packing challenge, can you send some luggage separately?

[rakkor]

7 hours ago, BouncingWheel said:

We did the Northern lights cruise in March and it definitely meant a lot of packing and suitcases. You can definitely wear the "California Casual" during the daytime and I seem to remember @rakkor in shorts 😉. They obviously try to control the inside temperature to be warm and comfortable even when there is snow outside.  However, you will definitely need thermals/winter wear  etc... as well as the formal wear mentioned. For cruising, it was no issue with the amount of clothes taken but if it is only a leg of many tours then transporting all the extra luggage around elsewhere could be cumbersome and costly when it comes to planes, trains and transfers - I am guessing that is what you are trying to minimise but I don't see much of a way around it.

 

You remember it well, but that was strictly indoors, the transition from the Commodore Club back to the Garden Lounge was positively Baltic.

 

I'd like to say in my defence - The shorts were the most comfortable option for my smashed pelvis, jeans were a little too much pressure on the scar tissue to wear all day.

Edited August 9, 2022 by rakkor

[D&N]

9 hours ago, Flipflopsforever949 said:

Yes, sounds like I will bring a jacket with my slacks at the very least since we do enjoy the formal evenings.

On other threads buying a cheap Tux Suit has been suggested as being a better option than onboard hire.

If one has time, consider buying a cheap dark suit in London or Southampton and dispose of it after the cruise. In 12 days you would get good value from that. Depending on how confident you were in sizes you might be able to order online for collection or arrange for delivery to a hotel in UK.

You might be able to buy in Paris, but in my experience it's easier to find cheap menswear in London.

[exlondoner]

6 minutes ago, D&N said:

On other threads buying a cheap Tux Suit has been suggested as being a better option than onboard hire.

If one has time, consider buying a cheap dark suit in London or Southampton and dispose of it after the cruise. In 12 days you would get good value from that. Depending on how confident you were in sizes you might be able to order online for collection or arrange for delivery to a hotel in UK.

You might be able to buy in Paris, but in my experience it's easier to find cheap menswear in London.

 

On the other hand, he might enjoy Cunard so much that he will want to keep it for future cruises. 😀

[LB_NJ]

I have never used it however there is White Star Luggage Service that may make sense.

[Camgirl]

My son and his wife had their honeymoon on a Cunard cruise in 2019. They loved it so much, they are about to join QV for our daughter in law's 30th birthday in just over a weeks time.

 

We were also on the Northern lights cruise with Rakkor and BouncingWheel. You should have a lovely time. However, it was really, really cold outside. Go prepared with decent coats, gloves and hats. We managed to see the lights, to varying degrees, four times during our cruise. I hope you see them too. Enjoy!

[TravelLizzy]

Four of us recently - July 8-15, 2022 completed the QM2 Transatlantic.  We watch waaaaaay to many YouTubes and read or heard someone's advise about 'dress code' on Cunard, specifically QM2, so we thought we went prepared - husband took a suit and one extra jacket for smart casual. The extra jacket and extra dress shirts, as well as my newly purchased black formal skirt and dress were not necessary.  Men nice trousers and shirt from 6:00 pm on and ladies a nice dress or evening pants (palazzos) with nice top. Each day the tv was set to the ship station by Steward and included dress for the evening and except for their gala (formal) nights, the men did not need to wear a jacket or tie, but a collar shirt. My husband and his brother wore polo shirts. On more than one occasion we saw families wearing shorts after 6:00 pm and attending an entertainment event. It appears the upscale dress code is becoming less and less.  Those men and women who did continue to dress formal every night were stunning.

[WestonOne]

On 8/9/2022 at 1:10 PM, ballroom-cruisers said:

The ballroom dancing in the Queens Room has people of various abilities. If beginners stay near the edge as they go anticlockwise around the floor then more experienced dancers can go around when overtaking on the inside track, and it works well.

I am sure it varies a great deal, but on the short trip I have just been on, there were perhaps 50 couples went along to the "White Waltz" practice in the morning.  For the Gala itself, there were probably a maximum of six couples on the floor during the hour I stayed, who were clearly all highly experienced.  And, like it or not, that was enough to discourage any of the beginners who had gone to the class.  

I don't know how you solve this one, and obviously the experienced people loved the opportunity to dance well, but like it or not that was discouraging others from attempting it.

Edited August 15, 2022 by WestonOne

[BklynBoy8]

11 minutes ago, WestonOne said:

I am sure it varies a great deal, but on the short trip I have just been on, there were perhaps 50 couples went along to the "White Waltz" practice in the morning.  For the Gala itself, there were probably a maximum of six couples on the floor during the hour I stayed, who were clearly all highly experienced.  And, like it or not, that was enough to discourage any of the beginners who had gone to the class.  

I don't know how you solve this one, and obviously the experienced people loved the opportunity to dance well, but like it or not that was discouraging others from attempting it.

 

Unfortunately that is one of the reasons that discourages me from entering the floor with my DW. They do take over the floor and make it uncomfortable and unwelcome to participate. 

 

We use to see more dramatic couples in the Queens Room on the QE2 on regular nights of dancing.

 

We love to dance together especially after 47 years together but it is a challenge with pardon the phase, Harvest Moon Ball couples. We try to make due.

[PORT ROYAL]

On 8/9/2022 at 10:49 PM, TravelLizzy said:

Those men and women who did continue to dress formal every night were stunning.

 

It’s an unofficial tradition for crossings.  
As an American couple at our table mentioned, (their first crossing),  “It’s clearly a them and us situation and I love it”.

Edited August 15, 2022 by PORT ROYAL

[elmsliebev]

On 8/8/2022 at 11:36 PM, Lakesregion said:

Long pants and a long sleeved dress shirt are the minimum requirements for dining in the restaurants and then on gala evenings the anti is increased to require a dark suit with dress shirt and tie or a tuxedo. If you find either not to your liking then the buffets is more casual but no where on the ship are shorts allowed after 6 pm except room service in your cabin.

short sleeved shirts/polo shirts were fine on non-formal nights on QE last/this month. Might be too chilly for them in November but long-sleeved is not part of the requirement, a collared shirt is. 

Edited August 15, 2022 by elmsliebev