Fourth Excel Ship Ordered for a 2027 Delivery

[Jamman54]

41 minutes ago, Saint Greg said:

I could see that. The way they were priced last year they could’ve used a bigger ship. I assume it has a roof like Venezia which is a bonus in Alaska.

 

 

I agree. It does have the roof. 

[tidecat]

15 minutes ago, Jamman54 said:

I agree. It does have the roof. 

Not to mention the Terazza area would be prime real estate for open-air viewing.

[jsglow]

1 hour ago, tidecat said:

I still think Carnival dropped the ball by not putting Firenze in Seattle for the Alaska season.

I'm not so sure on that @tidecat. Princess seemingly oversaturated the Alaskan market last year. Prices dropped like I'd never seen before. As with any market, the supply/demand calculation is tricky.

[shof515]

1 hour ago, tidecat said:

I still think Carnival dropped the ball by not putting Firenze in Seattle for the Alaska season.

for now....

 

give it a few years and you will see carnival send a big ship to alaska. they need something in that market to compete with Norwegian and Royal who send big ships

[jimbo5544]

4 hours ago, Saint Greg said:

All they need to do is find three.

 

They have 3, the issue is in demand.

[jimbo5544]

4 hours ago, Saint Greg said:

And im not lobbying for it. Panorama is still the fourth newest ship in the fleet and it’s consistently the cheapest 7-day cruise. But it’s there for a reason…and that reason is it sales… so I assume carnival would love to put an Excel ship there.

 

They may not think cheapest is best….your opinion may vary

[jimbo5544]

24 minutes ago, jsglow said:

I'm not so sure on that @tidecat. Princess seemingly oversaturated the Alaskan market last year. Prices dropped like I'd never seen before. As with any market, the supply/demand calculation is tricky.

Carnival already has two brands that are firmly entrenched in Alaska, Princess and HAL.  

[jsglow]

Just now, jimbo5544 said:

Carnival already has two brands that are firmly entrenched in Alaska, Princess and HAL.  

Totally agree. And the two dominant players at that.

[jimbo5544]

2 hours ago, Saint Greg said:

of course… but for some reason carnival feels like that warrants two vista class ships. They like the market. I don’t.

 

 

They like it becaus eit their STRONGEST market.  I feel the same as you but 8 million people (and 3 of the 7 largest cities in the US) dictates other wise.

[jimbo5544]

1 minute ago, jsglow said:

Totally agree. And the two dominant players at that.

Princess says they “own” Alaska and HAL goes places on the “land” package side that no-one else goes.

[Saint Greg]

2 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said:

They like it becaus eit their STRONGEST market.  I feel the same as you but 8 million people (and 3 of the 7 largest cities in the US) dictates other wise.

It’s the same thing with college football conferences. They want teams that are in big TV markets they don’t care if the people don’t watch the games.

 

[Saint Greg]

7 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said:

Carnival already has two brands that are firmly entrenched in Alaska, Princess and HAL.  

Yes, but when you’re able to charge 2k for an interior room while Princess, HAL, and NCL are less than half of that, there’s potential for more $ with a bigger ship.

 

[BlerkOne]

26 minutes ago, shof515 said:

for now....

 

give it a few years and you will see carnival send a big ship to alaska. they need something in that market to compete with Norwegian and Royal who send big ships

Royal doesn't send the Ginormous of the Seas variety. Carnival brands are well represented in Alaska - no need to compete more with each other. Carnival Cruise Line doesn't even sail to Glacier Bay these days - other Carnival brands have the contracts.

[jimbo5544]

8 minutes ago, Saint Greg said:

Yes, but when you’re able to charge 2k for an interior room while Princess, HAL, and NCL are less than half of that, there’s potential for more $ with a bigger ship.

 

Do not disagree, I would need to see the numbers for bookings.  If she sails at 70% that logic goes out the window.  

[jimbo5544]

14 minutes ago, Saint Greg said:

It’s the same thing with college football conferences. They want teams that are in big TV markets they don’t care if the people don’t watch the games.

 

Dead presidents rule in this case.   Best market gets the new iron, because it sells better. 

[BlerkOne]

3 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said:

Do not disagree, I would need to see the numbers for bookings.  If she sails at 70% that logic goes out the window.  

A quick look and I seen a number of Carnival Alaska cruises for under $1000pp, including some 10-11 day sailings from San Francisco. The most expensive I see is a 14 day Carnival Spirit cruise April 23 at $1059pp for an inside.

[Theosprey247]

Maybe CA cruisers spend more....in the casino and other stuff.  So they offer lower cruise fares to entice people to go on a cruise.

[jimbo5544]

10 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

A quick look and I seen a number of Carnival Alaska cruises for under $1000pp, including some 10-11 day sailings from San Francisco. The most expensive I see is a 14 day Carnival Spirit cruise April 23 at $1059pp for an inside.

Numbers talk volumes.  

[jimbo5544]

6 minutes ago, Theosprey247 said:

Maybe CA cruisers spend more....in the casino and other stuff.  So they offer lower cruise fares to entice people to go on a cruise.

Why would they do that?   The facts over time and history is a great example is that they do NOT sell well (at least in comparison to Carnivals other markets).   Add to that, the limited itineraries and we get the answer, at least the answer Carnival believes.  

[Saint Greg]

32 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said:

Dead presidents rule in this case.   Best market gets the new iron, because it sells better. 

Panorama doesn’t/hasnt. Maybe their casino does well. That’s probably it. The hidden numbers on Carnival Casino Line.

 

 

Edited February 23 by Saint Greg

[BlerkOne]

22 minutes ago, Theosprey247 said:

Maybe CA cruisers spend more....in the casino and other stuff.  So they offer lower cruise fares to entice people to go on a cruise.

Doubtful. California was the last place in the country where Carnival was selling some cabins as singles (no single supplement), and those were on Inspiration and Imagination doing short cruises. An interesting combination of booze cruises and young families. I think there are just too many available options for discretionary spending.

[jimbo5544]

10 minutes ago, Saint Greg said:

Panorama doesn’t/hasnt. Maybe their casino does well. That’s probably it. The hidden numbers on Carnival Casino Line.

 

 

Wish I knew.  

[jimbo5544]

Different attendance at the “new” party.  

[pc_load_letter]

56 minutes ago, Saint Greg said:

Yes, but when you’re able to charge 2k for an interior room while Princess, HAL, and NCL are less than half of that, there’s potential for more $ with a bigger ship.

 

 

Meh, the cruise lines need to be careful to not be kicked out these ports like Bar Harbor did. Didn't one Alaska city (Sitka) already try to limit cruise ship capacity? 

[BlerkOne]

Just now, pc_load_letter said:

 

Meh, the cruise lines need to be careful to not be kicked out these ports like Bar Harbor did. Didn't one Alaska city (Sitka) already try to limit cruise ship capacity? 

Cruise lines have been banned (at least temporarily) for various reasons from various areas. It isn't like a cruise line can make demands of Alaska. It's the other way around.