Carnival Ship will be using Royal Caribbeans Coco Cay

[temple1]

Carnival seems to be in a difficult situation - the cruise already has 2 sea days and just 1 port stop.

 

I know a number of our friends on the boards know much much more about ships and their capapbilities than I do, but I'm wondering why they couldn't do a Freeport stop instead. (Would not be my first choice but it is still a port.) Of course even taking into consideration the rental they're paying RCL for use of the island- they make a lot more money having their passengers as a captive audience on the private island. In addition they can keep their casino and shops open to passengers.

[macruisefan]

I love this solution. Royal Caribbean gets the rent and Carnival passengers will see what Royal Caribbean passengers get and how much fun we have . This is one step in the right direction for taking away passengers from Carnival and new passengers on Royal. I imagine Royal is in the talks to buy Carnival and its ships in the near future so this is the start of the buy out process :D:D

 

Wow. This might qualify as the all time grand champion "Royal Caribbean Homer" post. Seriously, is there anything more pathetic than "my cruise line is better than your cruise line!" posts?

[setsail]

That's my question. I'm baffled by this partnership. I would also like to know how much RCI is benefiting from this contract. There's got to be info somewhere on this.

 

Any of you shareholders have inside info?

 

RCI does not own this island nor L-Dee either. They rent CCkay and I belive on L-Dee they pay per passenger brought there.

 

Maybe there is a new contract now with the owner of the island.

[sunnysavannah]

My family may be the only ones in the other camp, but we prefer CC to KW as a one day port. A week in KW, maybe.

 

On these shorter cruises, I wouldn't mind double dipping at CC! lol

 

I do agree about Nassau. I could use a change on that one.

[macruisefan]

That's my question. I'm baffled by this partnership. I would also like to know how much RCI is benefiting from this contract. There's got to be info somewhere on this.

 

Any of you shareholders have inside info?

 

Am I the only one that finds it odd that people almost seem to take this personally? What do you care what ship does there if you're not there at the time? Aside from crowding the island with multiple ships on a day you're there, which I highly doubt they are doing, why on earth would anyone care? Even the precious "stockholders" should realize that this is an issue so far removed from investment strategy that it can't possibly matter.

 

Is this one of those "my cruise line is better than your cruise line" posts too?

[Aquahound]

RCI does not own this island nor L-Dee either. They rent CCkay and I belive on L-Dee they pay per passenger brought there.

 

Maybe there is a new contract now with the owner of the island.

 

They have a 100 year lease on the island. So essentially, yes, it is their island. The people living on and maintaining the island are paid RCI employees. If something changed and RCCL lost their exclusive rights to their own lease, I would think we would have seen something about it.

 

What's L-Dee? :confused:

[Aquahound]

Am I the only one that finds it odd that people almost seem to take this personally? What do you care what ship does there if you're not there at the time? Aside from crowding the island with multiple ships on a day you're there, which I highly doubt they are doing, why on earth would anyone care? Even the precious "stockholders" should realize that this is an issue so far removed from investment strategy that it can't possibly matter.

 

Is this one of those "my cruise line is better than your cruise line" posts too?

 

Wow. Sensitive much? :rolleyes: Where in all my posts on this subject did I say I care? And moreso, I'm curious how you translated anything I said as "taking this personal," and in what world was what I said a "my cruise line is better than your cruise line" post?

 

Is is wrong to be curious about the contracts between rival cruise lines?

[Clarea]

They have a 100 year lease on the island. So essentially, yes, it is their island. The people living on and maintaining the island are paid RCI employees. If something changed and RCCL lost their exclusive rights to their own lease, I would think we would have seen something about it.

 

What's L-Dee? :confused:

I think that's Labadee.

[BecciBoo]

Coco Cay is a bad alternative to Key West.

 

Depends on what floats your boat. I WOULD prefer CoCo Cay to Key West. To me Key West is a Been There Done That location....in my opinion all you can do there is drink, walk your A off, watch the sunset and eat Key Lime Pie. After a while...not so much....different strokes for different folks.:D Sorry Paul, that's just how I see it...and my brother was stationed there for 2 years. Unless you stay more than one day.

We like the back side of CoCo for the seclusion and snorkeling which is some of the best we ever did. But most don't ever go back there and don't even know it's there, so for them it's the crowded oil covered masses up front on the first beaches, which we want to avoid. There are never more than a handful of people on the back side and lots of critters. Just keep swimming, keep swimming.....;)

[setsail]

They have a 100 year lease on the island. So essentially, yes, it is their island. The people living on and maintaining the island are paid RCI employees. If something changed and RCCL lost their exclusive rights to their own lease, I would think we would have seen something about it.

 

What's L-Dee? :confused:

 

Thanks for verifying that RCI does not own but leases the island. They actually assumed an old lease when they bought out Admiral cruise lines back in the early 90's. sometimes when a company buys another any existing agreements are keep in place for for a period of time, maybe that time is here.:rolleyes:

 

Your other question, #33

[tahqa]

RCI does not own this island nor L-Dee either. They rent CCkay and I belive on L-Dee they pay per passenger brought there.

 

Maybe there is a new contract now with the owner of the island.

 

Labadee is reportedly a long term lease (until 2050).

[PH8]

More than once,the MN and MJ have called on CocoCay on Thursdays when they could not get in there on their normally scheduled day....guess if they don't make it the first time,it will mean another sea day...fortunately,MN only has 5 more chances to try(that's how many 4 night cruises she will be doing)

[ssb]

Make note that any cruise lines success rate

of tendering into coco cay is subject

to mother natures rough seas. I wish it wasn't that way!!!

I enjoy coco cay, but there have been many posts and threads on the subject

of not being able to visit the private island because of tendering and rough seas.

 

 

Toes in the water!

Ass in the sand!

Cold beer in my hand!

Life is good today!

 

The Zac Brown Band

[setsail]

Labadee is reportedly a long term lease (until 2050).

 

I did not say it wasn't:rolleyes:. Does not change the fact they they do not own it or contracts can not be re negociated:rolleyes:.....allow another cruise line to visit , holly cow what is this world coming to, LOL

[Aquahound]

They actually assumed an old lease when they bought out Admiral cruise lines back in the early 90's. sometimes when a company buys another any existing agreements are keep in place for for a period of time, maybe that time is here.:rolleyes:

 

RCI has been putting a lot of money into the island lately. When I was there in November, they were just about done building a new, larger tender dock on the other side of the lagoon from where the tenders currently dock. They built a nice foot bridge connecting the 2 areas. Plus, they just built several private cabanas. I don't think they would do all this if their time was up. Then again, who knows what is really going on? Until someone from RCI clarifies this, it's just all speculation.

[alexkrn46]

MSC also uses Coco Cay.

 

http://www.msccruises.com/gl_en/Cruise-Destinations/Caribbean/Bahamas/Cococay.aspx

[printingchick]

I'm curious to get more information. Couldn't find anything in the news. I agree that it would be fairly odd to be on a Carnival ship and stop at a private island where everything is branded Royal Caribbean. Interesting...

[temple1]

I'm curious to get more information. Couldn't find anything in the news. I agree that it would be fairly odd to be on a Carnival ship and stop at a private island where everything is branded Royal Caribbean. Interesting...

 

I can't recall that many RCl logos around the island, it is also used by their sister line Celebrity.

 

Who knew this was such a touchy subject? When I read it I understood it to mean that one corporation was renting unused space to another corporation. Nothing exciting there. RCL makes a little money and Carnival makes a little money from the excess profit of not being in a port that requires them to shut down the casino and onboard shops in addition they will make money on drinks, cabana rentals, etc.

 

The only interesting point to me is how many will look at the itenerary and question a 5 night cruise with 1 beach stop and 1 port stop?

 

I have enjoyed all of our stops at Key West except 1. There are many things to do and see all over the area. We still have not been to all the museums and seen all the various tourist stops. But we are trying. We will be there again in December and hope to get DH to the Truman Whitehouse and a couple of other places we didn't make our last visit. :D

 

We would love to visit the fort but not sure if that is available for a port stop and will have to save for a land vacation. When traveling in the east we go to forts, when traveling in the west we tour missions. Go figure.

[cruzeluver]

Not sure Royal is going to be luring any Carnival-lovers over with Coco Cay. Its ok as a basic beach stop goes, but I don't see anyone changing their allegiance after going there. Love Key West! There are tons of options and not everything is water-related.

[setsail]

RCI has been putting a lot of money into the island lately. When I was there in November, they were just about done building a new, larger tender dock on the other side of the lagoon from where the tenders currently dock. They built a nice foot bridge connecting the 2 areas. Plus, they just built several private cabanas. I don't think they would do all this if their time was up. Then again, who knows what is really going on? Until someone from RCI clarifies this, it's just all speculation.

 

No one said RCI's time is up. RCI also put millions into Falmouth and I am sure they have some kind of contract/lease there, but they do not own the port, the JPA owns the port of Falmouth, Rci gets input. Several other cruise lines use Falmouth now.

[Aquahound]

I can't recall that many RCl logos around the island, it is also used by their sister line Celebrity.

 

Who knew this was such a touchy subject? When I read it I understood it to mean that one corporation was renting unused space to another corporation. Nothing exciting there. RCL makes a little money and Carnival makes a little money from the excess profit of not being in a port that requires them to shut down the casino and onboard shops in addition they will make money on drinks, cabana rentals, etc.

 

Yea, in various places around the island, the Crown and Anchor logo is cut in to the wood signs, and some of the buildings have the Royal name in them....not many though.

 

Like most, I'm just curious about the business arrangement. I would be asking the same questions if RCI started going to Castaway Cay or NCL started going to Princess Cays. I'm not sure why some are being so sensitive.

[tahqa]

I did not say it wasn't:rolleyes:. Does not change the fact they they do not own it or contracts can not be re negociated:rolleyes:.....allow another cruise line to visit , holly cow what is this world coming to, LOL

 

I was just adding clarity to your statement where you said "I belive on L-Dee they pay per passenger brought there." :rolleyes: LOL

[big al]

We've sailed the Fascination several times and love going to Half Moon Cay. In the winter months, the HAL ships use it, so Fascination tends to get bumped. Its possible the sailings for Fascination to Half Moon Cay were not selling well, and they are leasing CoCo Cay to satisfy the folks who prefer the private islands to the Bahamas.

 

FWIW, I've been to Half Moon Cay, CoCo Cay and Princess Cay. Half Moon Cay is by far the nicest of the 3.

 

Agree, but I like Disney's Castaway Cay THEE most of all, with HMC 2nd...both are waaaaayyyy ahead of all the others IMO.....

 

Big Al

[setsail]

I was just adding clarity to your statement where you said "I belive on L-Dee they pay per passenger brought there." :rolleyes: LOL

 

Sorry, thanks for your clarity. :)

[Silvery Seas Cruiser]

It does strike me as odd that some folks are so sensitive about this new arrangement with Carnival.

 

Anyway, we are about 5 to 1 on trips to Coco Cay which is especially good compared to some folks. My brother-in-law is 0 for 3 attempts. He jokes that Coco Cay does not really exist. It could turn out poorly for Carnival also at this island or they could be as lucky as we have been and be able to enjoy the island frequently.

 

Twice we were on Coco Cay and the weather changed fast and furiously. We had a very difficult time getting back on the ship. What an experience! It showed me first hand why passengers weren't taken of Triumph.