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Celebrity is giving EVERY passenger a credit to their on board account that is refundable. The amount of the credit relates to the type of room they booked. The Captain again apologized today for the incident and told us all about the credit we are getting because they did not meet their standards of an excellent cruise. We really appreciate this and it is another reason we are loyal to the line.

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Glad no one was injured.

 

 

Me too, the port staff on the pier luckily knew that something was going to happen with the way the ship was approaching the pier and managed to get to safety before the pier was struck and collapsed into the sea.

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Me too, the port staff on the pier luckily knew that something was going to happen with the way the ship was approaching the pier and managed to get to safety before the pier was struck and collapsed into the sea.

 

 

For sure!! Not only the injuries that could have resulted but the hypothermia from that water alone could have been fatal if they weren't pulled out in time!

 

 

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Someone asked if there was a pilot in control? I believe that a Pilot is ALWAYS in control of the ship when docking in US ports, but I could be wrong. I see a ton of blame being thrown the Captains way, but I haven't seen anyone claim to be a USCG maritime incident specialist, so I guess I am curious about the expertise of all these people who appear to consider themselves "Experts". Must be a bunch of certified meteorologists as well, since there is so much "analysis" of the wind conditions and its affect on a ship attempting to dock. You gotta love keyboard experts!

 

Amen to that!

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Someone asked if there was a pilot in control? I believe that a Pilot is ALWAYS in control of the ship when docking in US ports, but I could be wrong. I see a ton of blame being thrown the Captains way, but I haven't seen anyone claim to be a USCG maritime incident specialist, so I guess I am curious about the expertise of all these people who appear to consider themselves "Experts". Must be a bunch of certified meteorologists as well, since there is so much "analysis" of the wind conditions and its affect on a ship attempting to dock. You gotta love keyboard experts!

 

You are incorrect. But now I see others already got this corrected as I got to the next page.

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Someone asked if there was a pilot in control? I believe that a Pilot is ALWAYS in control of the ship when docking in US ports, but I could be wrong. I see a ton of blame being thrown the Captains way, but I haven't seen anyone claim to be a USCG maritime incident specialist, so I guess I am curious about the expertise of all these people who appear to consider themselves "Experts". Must be a bunch of certified meteorologists as well, since there is so much "analysis" of the wind conditions and its affect on a ship attempting to dock. You gotta love keyboard experts!

 

Pilots do not drive the ship except in the Panama Canal. They are there as advisors about the port area (depth, hazards, etc) Also, the Captain is always ultimately responsible for what happens to his ship. Can blame be divided up? Sure, but the Captain is responsible for his ship, crew and passengers.

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During a Q&A with the captain of the ship, it was asked, "does the pilot take control of the Ship?"Captain responded, "the pilot is there to advise, I or any captain is responsible for the ship at all time, even coming into or leaving a port"

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Someone asked if there was a pilot in control? I believe that a Pilot is ALWAYS in control of the ship when docking in US ports, but I could be wrong. I see a ton of blame being thrown the Captains way, but I haven't seen anyone claim to be a USCG maritime incident specialist, so I guess I am curious about the expertise of all these people who appear to consider themselves "Experts". Must be a bunch of certified meteorologists as well, since there is so much "analysis" of the wind conditions and its affect on a ship attempting to dock. You gotta love keyboard experts!

 

Hitting the 'LIKE" button!!!! ;)

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As the wife of a US Coast. Guard Officer, I asked him. He said that once the HARBOR PILOT takes control, until either completely berthed or free to sail the HARBOR PILOT is liable for the actions of the ship... UNLESS there is an electrical or mechanical failure that because of said failure the ship had a collision. Then the shipping company (cruise line) is liable. Once the HARBOR PILOT takes the "control" of the vessel, the Maritime Captain relinquishes his command of the vessel.

 

 

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As the wife of a US Coast. Guard Officer, I asked him. He said that once the HARBOR PILOT takes control, until either completely berthed or free to sail the HARBOR PILOT is liable for the actions of the ship... UNLESS there is an electrical or mechanical failure that because of said failure the ship had a collision. Then the shipping company (cruise line) is liable. Once the HARBOR PILOT takes the "control" of the vessel, the Maritime Captain relinquishes his command of the vessel.

 

 

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Well, then you and/or your husband are not entirely correct.

 

The captain of a ship NEVER "gives up" control over or liability for his ship.

He might hand over the physical controlls, however, he can always override the commands when he seen necessary.

He always has the "last word" so to speak...

The pilot mainly has an advisory roll and knowledge of the location and conditions of his "home port".

 

If in doubt I recommend you ask the captain during on of these captains Q & A hours while on board the next cruise!

 

That beeing said: Things like that can happen! Cruise ships or other ships scrape each other, lines break etc. etc. Thankfully noone got hurt. No big deal otherwise.

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1. The Master is always in command of his vessel except in the Panama and Suez canals. Except for those two places the Master is always in Command and is responsible for his vessel.

 

2, The MASTER can, but is not required to give the command of the vessel navigation and maneuvering to a pilot, but the Master is still in command. The Pilot is there to offer assistance to the Master and provide detailed expert knowledge of the local waters.

 

3.Involving a Marine casualty or accident the Master is always responsible of his vessel. The Pilot can also be held liable for his actions or mistakes, but the bottom line is still the Master.

 

I am sorry, but the USCG Officer is wrong. I sailed US Merchant Marine 10 years and 30 as a marine surveyor and investigator.

 

AKK

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I saw the video. Infinity docks at pier 3. so does the Solstice

Does this mean that tendering will be involved

Sailing on the June 10th and Solstice to dock at 3

Only three ships in that day in Ketchikan hopeful we will go to number 4

Do not want to tender twice.

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