Did you Sail HAL in August or September, 2017?

[sail7seas]

Did the ship have an on deck barbeque either on embarkation night or any other evening ? Thanks.

[Love the beach]

No. I have heard it is no longer allowed due to safety regulations ( I think it had to do with food safety)....a forum search should bring it up

[rkacruiser]

No. I have heard it is no longer allowed due to safety regulations ( I think it had to do with food safety)....a forum search should bring it up

 

This is correct, Sail. The Lido Deck BBQs as well as the elegant buffets created in the MDR are history due to health concerns raised by USPH, I understand. I have been told that HAL is trying to find a way of creating such events and still meet the USPH standards. During my July cruise, no such events took place.

[Krazy Kruizers]

On the ships we have been on for the last 3 or so years, there wasn't a BBQ on embarkation night.

And I have read here on quite a few threads where people mentioned that BBQ's are gone.

[Hlitner]

There were no BBQs or any kind of outdoor buffet during the VOV cruise.

 

Hank

[qsuzi]

No BBQ on embarkation night on the Oosterdam in August 2017.

[sail7seas]

This is correct, Sail. The Lido Deck BBQs as well as the elegant buffets created in the MDR are history due to health concerns raised by USPH, I understand. I have been told that HAL is trying to find a way of creating such events and still meet the USPH standards. During my July cruise, no such events took place.

remember reading USPH was disturbed there was no hand wash sink immdiafely beside the serving sgtations vbut thewr is one neearby. I knew the b'bques sopped for a while but was interestted to learn if it seems to be more pemanent. . thanks all, We did not have one on Veendam in July but didn't know if other ships found a way to offer it again.

[boze9999]

Not on the Zuiderdam.

[Herfnerd]

None on the Eurodam first week of September 2017

 

 

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[roaming_kiwi58]

Not on Prinsendam in August, or on Westerdam in September

[sail7seas]

Thank you. seems to be more than jjust a temporary stop to the barbques.

I AM NO PLumber but I wonder how hard and /or costly it would be to install a hand wash sink where USPH says they are needed.

[haladdict]

As people have pointed out. the Lido deck BBQ's stopped quite a while ago, due to hand washing problems.

That problem could be solved, but will the BBQ's return?

Once Hal realized that they saved money by not doing it and they don't have to go to the effort of setting it up.

Sandra

[sail7seas]

As people have pointed out. the Lido deck BBQ's stopped quite a while ago, due to hand washing problems.

That problem could be solved, but will the BBQ's return?

Once Hal realized that they saved money by not doing it and they don't have to go to the effort of setting it up.

Sandra

 

 

Sandra, You hit on exactly my point. If all it requries is a hand wash sink, it seems HAL is using the lack of a sink as a way to take another feature away from our cruises.

 

 

 

HAL, put in a 'sink'...... is it that hard? If it is as simple as I think it might be, Please reconsider the conssant leaking of entertainments, fefures and speicla things thst make us keep sailing HAL. As they continue tto diminish the produc\t,, at what pointt do they degrade the appealt they hold for us?

[sail7seas]

As people have pointed out. the Lido deck BBQ's stopped quite a while ago, due to hand washing problems. That problem could be solved, but will the BBQ's return? Once Hal realized that they saved money by not doing it and they don't have to go to the effort of setting it up. Sandra

Sandra, You hit on exactly my point. If all it requries is a hand wash sink, it seems HAL is using the lack of a sink as a way to take another feature away from our cruises. HAL, put in a 'sink'...... is it that hard? If it is as simple as I think it might be, Please reconsider the constant leaking of entertainments, feafures and speiial things that make us keep sailing HAL. As they continue tto diminish the produc\t,, at what pointt do they degrade the appealt they hold for us? Someone or a num ber of 'someones' mustt have tthough those barbeques a good thing to offer HAL c ruisers and many cruisers must have enjoyed it or why did the ships do it for so long? At what point did " they" decide it is a good idea to eliminate it? The same genuisess that eliminated the cruise logs?

[madera1]

We had no special BBQ on our August Konnigsdam cruise.

 

 

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[haladdict]

Sandra, You hit on exactly my point. If all it requries is a hand wash sink, it seems HAL is using the lack of a sink as a way to take another feature away from our cruises.

 

 

 

HAL, put in a 'sink'...... is it that hard? If it is as simple as I think it might be, Please reconsider the conssant leaking of entertainments, fefures and speicla things thst make us keep sailing HAL. As they continue tto diminish the produc\t,, at what pointt do they degrade the appealt they hold for us?

 

We keep coming back don't we?

I love Hal and other cruise lines are cutting back too, so I guess we will have to live with cutbacks.

Sandra

[sail7seas]

We keep coming back don't we?

I love Hal and other cruise lines are cutting back too, so I guess we will have to live with cutbacks.

Sandra

 

WE do NOT have to live with cutbacks on cruises. That is diiscresetionary spending.

 

I have no knowledge of how many no long er come back, or come b ack less often?

[DFD1]

Too much extra work for the food department. Hand washing issue is an excuse....could be easily solved.

[sail7seas]

Too much extra work for the food department. Hand washing issue is an excuse....could be easily solved.

 

 

Thanksdfor confirming my viewpoint on the issue. They ran those barvbeques for a long time and must have semed a good idea for all that time ....... Now they found a 'way' to take something else away from our on board experience. We DO NOT have to accept that. We do NOT HAVE to curise, When do wqe sffarrf leftfing ffhem know some of us are not accepting of all the cut backs? Now we have to just about beg to to get ap aper brochure from them. ridiciulous.. JMO but I am not one to 'suffer quietly' and just acept what gets tossed at me. We do nOT hAVE to roll with it.

Edited September 28, 2017 by sail7seas

[rkacruiser]

As I understand the issue that USPH has, it is not just hand-washing. It is keeping food at the proper temperature either on a MDR buffet or during a deck BBQ for the length of time that the food is available. A lack of the "sneeze guard" protection also was a concern. (That could be easily corrected, I think.) But, it is the temperature issue that may be the main one. For a period of 2-3 hours, how does one keep cold food " properly cold" during a deck BBQ? And, the same concern was expressed for foods that ought to be kept "at or above a certain temperature".

[dockman]

As I understand the issue that USPH has, it is not just hand-washing. It is keeping food at the proper temperature either on a MDR buffet or during a deck BBQ for the length of time that the food is available. A lack of the "sneeze guard" protection also was a concern. (That could be easily corrected, I think.) But, it is the temperature issue that may be the main one. For a period of 2-3 hours, how does one keep cold food " properly cold" during a deck BBQ? And, the same concern was expressed for foods that ought to be kept "at or above a certain temperature".

 

 

Ice and sterno? That's how a lot of hotels and restaurants do it i believe.

[Sue from Canada]

This is correct, Sail. The Lido Deck BBQs as well as the elegant buffets created in the MDR are history due to health concerns raised by USPH, I understand. I have been told that HAL is trying to find a way of creating such events and still meet the USPH standards. During my July cruise, no such events took place.

 

I wonder if any other cruise lines are still have Lido Deck BBQs? We had a wonderful one on the Hawaiian cruise a couple of years ago. So sad.

[rkacruiser]

Ice and sterno? That's how a lot of hotels and restaurants do it i believe.

 

No expert here. And, I am aware that this is what I remember that HAL was also doing these pleasant events: ice and sterno.

 

Why, all of a sudden, such was not "enough" for an USPH inspector, I don't know.

[janmcn]

It's also a Coast Guard requirement for no more fires.

 

 

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[whogo]

I know I was concerned about a lido pool BBQ. It was dark, we couldn't see what was on offer and I figured the cooks could not see what they were doing. Hot and cold foods appeared to be stored in plastic tubs with no provision for keeping items hot or cold as required. No sneeze guards, every tong or serving spoon handle was greasy or sticky. I am sure any restaurant inspector anywhere would have found numerous violations, but there was no mass poisoning. That which does not kill us...