Rare OzKiwiJJ Posted May 17, 2020 Author #1401 Share Posted May 17, 2020 Actually I'm thinking about doing a river cruise once the weather warms up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vader1111 Posted May 17, 2020 #1402 Share Posted May 17, 2020 54 minutes ago, MicCanberra said: I will just drive to the port. They certainly allow this one in Australian waters, all Australian crew too, so it never left. Fair enough... you're talking about one of those small ones, which holed up in Cairns? Those would be one of the first boats to depart, but even then they'll need approval from the Federal Govt before they do so. They won't be subject to the same restrictions as the big ships currently off Manila, but they'll still have to get approvals before they're allowed to take passengers onboard again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted May 17, 2020 #1403 Share Posted May 17, 2020 15 minutes ago, Vader1111 said: Fair enough... you're talking about one of those small ones, which holed up in Cairns? Those would be one of the first boats to depart, but even then they'll need approval from the Federal Govt before they do so. They won't be subject to the same restrictions as the big ships currently off Manila, but they'll still have to get approvals before they're allowed to take passengers onboard again. Nope, certainly not driving to Queensland for a cruise, not when there is one that leaves from a port not 1/2 hour away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare OzKiwiJJ Posted May 17, 2020 Author #1404 Share Posted May 17, 2020 (edited) 48 minutes ago, MicCanberra said: Nope, certainly not driving to Queensland for a cruise, not when there is one that leaves from a port not 1/2 hour away. Lunch or dinner, or just the one hour cruise? Edited May 17, 2020 by OzKiwiJJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare OzKiwiJJ Posted May 17, 2020 Author #1405 Share Posted May 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Vader1111 said: Fair enough... you're talking about one of those small ones, which holed up in Cairns? Those would be one of the first boats to depart, but even then they'll need approval from the Federal Govt before they do so. They won't be subject to the same restrictions as the big ships currently off Manila, but they'll still have to get approvals before they're allowed to take passengers onboard again. The Great Barrier Reef cruises won't be operating until next year. By the time travel opens up again it will be too late for this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin jenkins Posted May 17, 2020 #1406 Share Posted May 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Vader1111 said: There are a few scenarios... Firstly, we can cross all our fingers & toes, and wish upon a falling star, that a vaccine may become available. Best case, this happens sometime in 2021. However, no human vaccine has ever been found for any other coronavirus, so be prepared for the possibility that they may never find one for CV-19. Secondly, we can hope that they find an anti-viral treatment that works. This is how they now deal with HIV. Thirdly, we can hope that the disease just burns itself out, or mutates into something less deadly & contagious. Fourthly, we can just accept that CV-19 will always be with us, and learn to live with it as a "new normal". Sadly, this is probably the most likely outcome. However, I can't see the Aus Govt accepting this option until the first and second options have been exhausted. We won't be in our bubble forever - but don't be surprised if 2022 arrives and we're still not travelling beyond the TTB. Look on the bright side - this is your opportunity to see those parts of Australia you've always wanted to visit! yeahh and get ripped off at the same time, no thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vader1111 Posted May 17, 2020 #1407 Share Posted May 17, 2020 1 hour ago, MicCanberra said: Nope, certainly not driving to Queensland for a cruise, not when there is one that leaves from a port not 1/2 hour away. Lake Burley Griffin? Yeah... that one won't require Federal Govt approval. 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banzaii Posted May 17, 2020 #1408 Share Posted May 17, 2020 5 hours ago, Pushka said: Unfortunately the Minister takes priority as to what opportunities will be available to grant you your wish. 5 hours ago, Vader1111 said: The Minister will decide when we can go cruising. Thankfully the minister has no say in what you save for and how you dream. If we keep acting like even 1 more active case is unacceptable, the new normal will be unacceptable to everyone, including the minister. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banzaii Posted May 17, 2020 #1409 Share Posted May 17, 2020 1 hour ago, MicCanberra said: Nope, certainly not driving to Queensland for a cruise, not when there is one that leaves from a port not 1/2 hour away. MV Southern Cross ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vader1111 Posted May 17, 2020 #1410 Share Posted May 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, banzaii said: Thankfully the minister has no say in what you save for and how you dream. If we keep acting like even 1 more active case is unacceptable, the new normal will be unacceptable to everyone, including the minister. Having got our own numbers down, it's about ensuring that CV-19 doesn't come into the country again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banzaii Posted May 17, 2020 #1411 Share Posted May 17, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Vader1111 said: Having got our own numbers down, it's about ensuring that CV-19 doesn't come into the country again. Not true. The virus has been steadily entering the country through repatriation of overseas travellers. This will not stop. It is about the controls and risk mitigation that can be put in place. I am not going to hang my hat on a vaccine or cure. I am going to have faith that people and common sense will prevail - not fear, distrust and indefinate isolation. Edited May 17, 2020 by banzaii 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vader1111 Posted May 17, 2020 #1412 Share Posted May 17, 2020 42 minutes ago, banzaii said: Not true. The virus has been steadily entering the country through repatriation of overseas travellers. This will not stop. It is about the controls and risk mitigation that can be put in place. I am not going to hang my hat on a vaccine or cure. I am going to have faith that people and common sense will prevail - not fear, distrust and indefinate isolation. Yes, but that's being managed through enforced quarantine. Enforced quarantine works when we have small numbers of people entering the country, as we do right now. It is impossible to enforce with normal arrival numbers. Note that the arrivals have been reduced to roughly 2% of their normal level. Further, those who are arriving are all citizens or permanent residents, with only a few exceptions. It is constitutionally illegal to prevent citizens from returning home, and morally reprehensible to prevent permanent residents. It is another thing entirely to allow foreigners to bring the disease into the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted May 17, 2020 #1413 Share Posted May 17, 2020 2 hours ago, banzaii said: Thankfully the minister has no say in what you save for and how you dream. If we keep acting like even 1 more active case is unacceptable, the new normal will be unacceptable to everyone, including the minister. I agree. The goal was never to get down to zero, but just manage this virus so that health systems don't get overwhelmed. But somewhere along the way they changed the goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikeanswers Posted May 17, 2020 #1414 Share Posted May 17, 2020 3 hours ago, martin jenkins said: yeahh and get ripped off at the same time, no thanks You are not getting ripped off. Things cost more in Australia because overall costs for running a business is higher in Australia. It is not some sort scam and really an honest business in Australia should be paying their workers more than the typical Indonesian wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Big_M Posted May 17, 2020 #1415 Share Posted May 17, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Vader1111 said: Having got our own numbers down, it's about ensuring that CV-19 doesn't come into the country again. You have an absolute vision that has not been stated anywhere. The aim has always been to "flatten the curve" NOT remove the curve. i.e. they never had a goal of zero cases and it eradicated, just to make things manageable by the medical system. So your presumption of zero entries is not required, as long as there is a manageable solution. Hence why they're making exceptions willy nilly which doesn't meet claims like yours above. Edited May 17, 2020 by The_Big_M 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Big_M Posted May 17, 2020 #1416 Share Posted May 17, 2020 4 hours ago, Vader1111 said: Yes, but that's being managed through enforced quarantine. Enforced quarantine works when we have small numbers of people entering the country, as we do right now. It is impossible to enforce with normal arrival numbers. Note that the arrivals have been reduced to roughly 2% of their normal level. Further, those who are arriving are all citizens or permanent residents, with only a few exceptions. It is constitutionally illegal to prevent citizens from returning home, and morally reprehensible to prevent permanent residents. It is another thing entirely to allow foreigners to bring the disease into the country. You're still stuck on the current state being the end state - when it's changed multiple times to get where we are now. It's quite viable to allow entries with varying form of testing and quarantine - without being "normal arrival numbers." Just as they're talking about new procedures in restaurants and shops, there'll be new facilities on hotels and cruise ships - and new entry procedures as well. You're very unrealistic to think the public - and members of parliament - will let us keep our little bubble when the rest of the world has close open borders. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Big_M Posted May 17, 2020 #1417 Share Posted May 17, 2020 2 hours ago, ilikeanswers said: You are not getting ripped off. Things cost more in Australia because overall costs for running a business is higher in Australia. It is not some sort scam and really an honest business in Australia should be paying their workers more than the typical Indonesian wage. Yeah, funny how people want the modern medical system, the jobkeeper and seeker payments, dividend imputation and all the rest - which require high wages to support that amount of taxation, and likely get paid either a pension or wages here - but then complain about the obvious cost of those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted May 17, 2020 #1418 Share Posted May 17, 2020 6 hours ago, The_Big_M said: dividend imputation Looking like that is not going to be likely in the next few years. All a bit grim on that front sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getting older slowly Posted May 17, 2020 #1419 Share Posted May 17, 2020 14 hours ago, OzKiwiJJ said: Actually I'm thinking about doing a river cruise once the weather warms up again. Houseboat on the Murray is very relaxing if you like river cruising in Australia..... I mean one you hire and drive your self..... not the one large ones . like the murray princess and proud mary... the ones for old people.... ( oh wait that is me LOL ) Have done the emmylou from echuca just a two nighter Cheers Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare OzKiwiJJ Posted May 17, 2020 Author #1420 Share Posted May 17, 2020 29 minutes ago, getting older slowly said: Houseboat on the Murray is very relaxing if you like river cruising in Australia..... I mean one you hire and drive your self..... not the one large ones . like the murray princess and proud mary... the ones for old people.... ( oh wait that is me LOL ) Have done the emmylou from echuca just a two nighter Cheers Don I was thinking more of the Proud Mary style of river cruising, that way I don't have to do the cooking. The downside to houseboats or any sort of charter boat is you still have to do the day-to-day chores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vozzie Posted May 17, 2020 #1421 Share Posted May 17, 2020 19 hours ago, Vader1111 said: The Minister will decide when we can go cruising. He may...but that doesn't mean he can make us spend our cruising dollar on land, in the meantime. I, for one, am not going to blow my hard earned "cruise holiday dollars" on some over-priced holiday in Australia. I'll just wait till cruising starts. However, if he allows "domestic" cruising, I'll certainly consider that. Win-Win. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted May 18, 2020 #1422 Share Posted May 18, 2020 For many of us, we cannot spend our cruising dollars on anything but cruising a it is tied up in FCCs and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haoie Posted May 18, 2020 #1423 Share Posted May 18, 2020 My August sailing got cancelled 😞 Was really looking forward to it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackduck59 Posted May 18, 2020 #1424 Share Posted May 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, Haoie said: My August sailing got cancelled 😞 Was really looking forward to it too. Get used to it apparently Australia will be locked down for cruise ships "for the foreseeable future" 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted May 18, 2020 #1425 Share Posted May 18, 2020 19 minutes ago, Blackduck59 said: Get used to it apparently Australia will be locked down for cruise ships "for the foreseeable future" 😉 It's the "new normal" in these "unprecedented times". Although next week will be the "new, new normal" in these "new unprecedented times". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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