arabrab Posted March 28, 2020 #651 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Just now, Priya2 said: I’m sorry if this question has already been asked and answered, but this thread is too long to read through entirely. I’m wondering when this cruise set sail? Look up 3 posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockman Posted March 28, 2020 #652 Share Posted March 28, 2020 1 minute ago, purrlinda said: Very strange - my clients specifically stated they tested negative for the virus. Sorry . My brother did mention everyone getting "tested" a day or so ago but when i asked if it was covid test he said no only sick got that...his "test" was temperature and few questions. No covid. I asked today if any plans/announcements to test all for covid and he said nothing like that has been mentioned. He is about same age as your clients with no symptoms at all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purrlinda Posted March 28, 2020 #653 Share Posted March 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Priya2 said: I’m sorry if this question has already been asked and answered, but this thread is too long to read through entirely. I’m wondering when this cruise set sail? March 7th. It was due to arrive in Santiago (San Antonio) Chile on March 21. My clients were on a B2B and were supposed to continue up the cost of South America en route to Ft. Lauderdale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Vict0riann Posted March 28, 2020 #654 Share Posted March 28, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Priya2 said: I’m sorry if this question has already been asked and answered, but this thread is too long to read through entirely. I’m wondering when this cruise set sail? Just go back 3 posts before yours... Edited March 28, 2020 by Vict0riann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max2003 Posted March 28, 2020 #655 Share Posted March 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Priya2 said: 5 minutes ago, Priya2 said: I’m sorry if this question has already been asked and answered, but this thread is too long to read through entirely. I’m wondering when this cruise set sail? 3/7/2020 Sat BUENOS AIRES 3/8/2020 Sun Buenos Aires 3/9/2020 Mon Montevideo 3/10/2020 Tue At Sea (South Atlantic Ocean) 3/11/2020 Wed At Sea 3/12/2020 Thu Port Stanley 3/13/2020 Fri Scenic cruising Strait of Magellan 3/14/2020 Sat Punta Arenas 3/15/2020 Sun Ushuaia 3/16/2020 Mon Scenic cruising Cape Horn 3/17/2020 Tue Scenic cruising Sarmiento Channel 3/18/2020 Wed Scenic cruising Chilean Fjords 3/19/2020 Thu Puerto Montt 3/20/2020 Fri At Sea (South Pacific Ocean) 3/21/2020 Sat SAN ANTONIO (SANTIAGO) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purrlinda Posted March 28, 2020 #656 Share Posted March 28, 2020 1 minute ago, dockman said: Sorry . My brother did mention everyone getting "tested" a day or so ago but when i asked if it was covid test he said no only sick got that...his "test" was temperature and few questions. No covid. I asked today if any plans/announcements to test all for covid and he said nothing like that has been mentioned. He is about same age as your clients with no symptoms at all. Mine have no symptoms either. Their testing was done yesterday. I just read that Reuters article that said the health screening was essentially a questionnaire and temperature check. This does not seem reasonable to me because in many cases symptoms don't appear immediately. My thought process is that the only way they could know if the passengers heading to the Rotterdam are healthy is to do the test for the virus. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabidstoat Posted March 28, 2020 #657 Share Posted March 28, 2020 25 minutes ago, rkacruiser said: Can one imagine the difficulty of not just getting the guests transferred in such a situation, but also the luggage of those guests! I think about my normal two pieces of luggage and their weight, carrying them down the stairs leading to the landing platform and then up the stairs from the Rotterdam's landing platform, plus getting them into and out of the tenders! What an extremely difficult situation that must be for the crew and as well as the guests! Do we know what they're doing about luggage, though? I can see them restricting it to one suitcase per passenger, and leaving the rest behind with tags so it can be shipped home once the ship is berthed somewhere. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare rafinmd Posted March 28, 2020 #658 Share Posted March 28, 2020 12 minutes ago, rabidstoat said: Do we know what they're doing about luggage, though? I can see them restricting it to one suitcase per passenger, and leaving the rest behind with tags so it can be shipped home once the ship is berthed somewhere. I would expect that as well. They're already doing that with the World Cruise. Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare 3rdGenCunarder Posted March 28, 2020 #659 Share Posted March 28, 2020 25 minutes ago, purrlinda said: Mine have no symptoms either. Their testing was done yesterday. I just read that Reuters article that said the health screening was essentially a questionnaire and temperature check. This does not seem reasonable to me because in many cases symptoms don't appear immediately. My thought process is that the only way they could know if the passengers heading to the Rotterdam are healthy is to do the test for the virus. They don't have enough tests to test everyone. And the test is a snapshot in time, not a predictor. "Healthy" today could be "positive" tomorrow. And with the long incubation period, someone could have been exposed but not have enough viruses to trigger a positive yet. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Diamond Posted March 28, 2020 #660 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Here is a link with some additional information about when the first Covid tests were brought onboard. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/28/very-scary-pleas-for-safe-harbour-from-stranded-cruise-ship-near-panama 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare 3rdGenCunarder Posted March 28, 2020 #661 Share Posted March 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, rabidstoat said: Do we know what they're doing about luggage, though? I can see them restricting it to one suitcase per passenger, and leaving the rest behind with tags so it can be shipped home once the ship is berthed somewhere. That makes sense to me. And for those wondering why it's taking so long, remember social distancing. When we use the boats as tenders, we're crowded together. I would expect that the tenders are not going out that full. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Copper10-8 Posted March 28, 2020 #662 Share Posted March 28, 2020 53 minutes ago, Max2003 said: Rotterdam tenders 7 & 9 are shuttling back and forth all day. I assume they are moving the 60 or 120 passengers mentioned or more. They have many trips but not knowing the number of passengers (and luggage) on each trip, it is hard to know where they are on the mission. The wind/current seems to have changed. I hope the sea state doesn't deteriorate. Without luggage at regular tenders ports, they are filled with up to 80-90 pax 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iancal Posted March 28, 2020 #663 Share Posted March 28, 2020 The crew making these transfers are pros. I have no doubt that it is being accomplished as quickly and as safely as possible. Chances are that luggage is the least of the cruisers concerns.. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare 3rdGenCunarder Posted March 28, 2020 #664 Share Posted March 28, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, iancal said: The crew making these transfers are pros. I have no doubt that it is being accomplished as quickly and as safely as possible. Chances are that luggage is the least of the cruisers concerns.. I agree about the tender crew. They're amazing. I love how they time the rise and fall of the tender to move people at just the right moment when it's bouncy. On difficult tender days, I've sent one of those "how are we doing" cards to say thank you to the tender crew. QE2 was the worst for tendering. You went down steps to a floating dock and then to the tender. Those guys kept a tight grip as they helped people. I had little finger mark bruises one time. Better that than a dip in the sea! Edited March 28, 2020 by 3rdGenCunarder typo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Copper10-8 Posted March 28, 2020 #665 Share Posted March 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, 3rdGenCunarder said: I agree about the tender crew. They're amazing. I love how they time the rise and fall of the tender to move people at just the right moment when it's bouncy. On difficult tender days, I've sent one of those "how are we doing" cards to say thank you to the tender crew. QE2 was the worst for tendering. You went down steps to a floating dock and then to the tender. Those guys kept a tight grip as they helped people. I had little finger mark bruises one time. Better that than a dip in the sea! Just a heads up; a HAL tender crew "normally" consists of a tender driver (quartermaster or sailor AB) and one assistant (a sailor). The guys assisting pax in, besides that assistant/sailor, and out of the tender positioned on the ship's tender platform and ashore on the tender dock are members of what's known as the MAT (Mobility Assistance Team). MAT (team) members belong to the Beverage and Dining room (Food Service) Depts. onboard and receive extra training for that collateral assignment 8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkacruiser Posted March 28, 2020 #666 Share Posted March 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, 3rdGenCunarder said: I agree about the tender crew. They're amazing. I love how they time to rise and fall of the tender to move people at just the right moment when it's bouncy. On difficult tender days, I've sent one of those "how are we doing" cards to say thank you to the tender crew. I strongly concur as well! I remember a couple of times that I would not have been safely transferred from shore to tender or tender to shore if these strong armed men had not been able to do so. Rotterdam is also fortunate at this time to have Captain Albert aboard since tender operation classes are one of the things he does as a Fleet Master. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkacruiser Posted March 28, 2020 #667 Share Posted March 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Copper10-8 said: The guys assisting pax in, besides that assistant/sailor, and out of the tender positioned on the ship's tender platform and ashore on the tender dock are members of what's known as the MAT (Mobility Assistance Team). MAT (team) members belong to the Beverage and Dining room (Food Service) Depts. onboard and receive extra training for that collateral assignment I never realized this. I just thought when I would see a crew member whom I recognized from another area of the ship that he had been assigned to this job because his "regular job" didn't need to be done at that time. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Himself Posted March 28, 2020 #668 Share Posted March 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Copper10-8 said: Let me give it a try; Zaandam's pax were in Punta Arenas, Chile on 14 Mar as one of their regularly scheduled ports of call on this voyage, when everything was still copacetic in South America. Everyone got back on and the ship departed for Ushuaia, Argentina, her next port of call the following day. Mister Murphy showed up, making the Argentinians close their borders/ports that day, March 15th, which meant a no go for Zaandam, as far as heading back to the South Atlantic! After the Chileans then, on March 16th, closed San Antonio, Zaanie's regularly scheduled disembarkation port for the end of this fourteen-day itinerary, her captain attempted to persuade the Chilean government to get them to approve disembarking his pax in either Valparaiso or Punta Arenas (so there, in Punta Arenas, for a second time if they would have received approval). However, as fate would have it, that was also then denied by the Chileans, because they had closed all their ports to cruise ships, so ultimately, Zaandam finds herself off Panama and things can only be described as a cluster, having gone from bad to worse. Hoping and praying for a positive outcome! Where is the virtue of Charity? How van a United States port close to American citizens. Has everyone taken leave of their senses? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkacruiser Posted March 28, 2020 #669 Share Posted March 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, rkacruiser said: I never realized this. I just thought when I would see a crew member whom I recognized from another area of the ship that he had been assigned to this job because his "regular job" didn't need to be done at that time. There is so much that goes on behind the scenes that even an experienced cruise guest does not have a clue! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare 3rdGenCunarder Posted March 28, 2020 #670 Share Posted March 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Himself said: Where is the virtue of Charity? How van a United States port close to American citizens. Has everyone taken leave of their senses? I think Charity is being outvoiced by fear. I don't know how many "not in my city" posts I've seen on this thread. Nobody wants more cases in their local hospitals. And to be fair, accepting the ship does mean accepting responsibility. What if people can't get flights home, where do they stay? And if they're going to be quarantined at the port, what facility can do that? Ports are mostly in cities, and sites for incoming cruise passengers could be arranged. But in some cases, I think local officials are afraid to accept a ship because they know the frightened people in their city will be furious at what they see as the "plague passengers." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Himself Posted March 28, 2020 #671 Share Posted March 28, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, 3rdGenCunarder said: I think Charity is being outvoiced by fear. I don't know how many "not in my city" posts I've seen on this thread. Nobody wants more cases in their local hospitals. And to be fair, accepting the ship does mean accepting responsibility. What if people can't get flights home, where do they stay? And if they're going to be quarantined at the port, what facility can do that? Ports are mostly in cities, and sites for incoming cruise passengers could be arranged. But in some cases, I think local officials are afraid to accept a ship because they know the frightened people in their city will be furious at what they see as the "plague passengers." Remember the words of FDR: The only thing we have to fear is fear itself. There is a distinction from acting from fear as opposed to with fear. Edited March 28, 2020 by Himself 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woofumz Posted March 28, 2020 #672 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Just adding good wishes to those on board or have loved ones on board. Truly hope there is a good resolution soon. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wehwalt Posted March 28, 2020 #673 Share Posted March 28, 2020 This has some interesting coverage of some of the people on Zaandam. https://www.businessinsider.com/elderly-couple-on-coronavirus-stricken-ship-says-theyre-stuck-aboard-2020-3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Himself Posted March 28, 2020 #674 Share Posted March 28, 2020 My heart goes out to those stuck on the Zaandam. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Copper10-8 Posted March 28, 2020 #675 Share Posted March 28, 2020 28 minutes ago, 3rdGenCunarder said: I think Charity is being outvoiced by fear. I don't know how many "not in my city" posts I've seen on this thread. Nobody wants more cases in their local hospitals. And to be fair, accepting the ship does mean accepting responsibility. What if people can't get flights home, where do they stay? And if they're going to be quarantined at the port, what facility can do that? Ports are mostly in cities, and sites for incoming cruise passengers could be arranged. But in some cases, I think local officials are afraid to accept a ship because they know the frightened people in their city will be furious at what they see as the "plague passengers." This is pure speculation on my part, but I have a feeling, if a Panama Canal transit remains a no go, you will see a repeat of the Grand Princess (still anchored off Hunters Point in San Francisco Bay as we speak) experience with a voyage by Zaandam to a U.S. west coast port (or naval base) like Oakland, following the same protocol as said Princess ship; serious cases to hospitals, U.S. pax transported (by chartered or military aircraft) to, and quarantined at, U.S. military installations like Travis AFB, CA, MCAS Miramar, CA, Dobbins AFB, GA and Lackland AFB, TX, the personnel and staff there having gained valuable experience and expertise with the Grand Princess pax; foreign nationals being flown home on chartered aircraft for quarantine there, and crew quarantined onboard their ship for two weeks while receiving medical assistance if required. Time will tell 11 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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