CLIA crafting 'curb to curb' framework for safe cruising in COVID-19 era

[suzyluvs2cruise]

From CLIA - Cruise Lines International Association 

 

CLIA crafting Curb - Curb framework for safe cruising

[suzyluvs2cruise]

3 hours ago, RETNAVY1996 said:

I don’t think the rooms mentioned below from the article are going to be balcony rooms.  Most likely lower deck inside rooms if I had to guess. 

 

A certain number of staterooms may be set aside as a quarantine area in case of an outbreak. Ships will have to be prepared to isolate sick people in a dedicated space apart from other passengers and the crew, except for those crew who are properly trained to care for them and outfitted with personal protective equipment.  

 

Much remains to be seen about what will be required before ships can sail again. 

Edited May 12, 2020 by suzyluvs2cruise

[nelblu]

That's good stuff.

[hazence]

“Before operations resume, CLIA will issue a revised set of screening protocols reflecting what the medical community has learned about COVID-19. As Salerno explained, it's tough to determine the criteria at this point because 'the knowledge base on this virus is changing almost daily.'

At the terminal

Screening at the terminal should ensure infected persons don't embark. Testing everyone for COVID-19 is the ideal solution, however given the uncertainty about the availability of test kits, that may not be practical.

Salerno said temperature screening is still on the table and most likely will be part of the protocols. All technologies are being looked at, and all or a combination may be suitable. These could include infrared and airport-type portals that measure temperature and respiration.”

 

Very interesting article. I won’t be doing anything until we know what these protocols are. 

[Baron Barracuda]

At the terminal

Screening at the terminal should ensure infected persons don't embark. Testing everyone for COVID-19 is the ideal solution, however given the uncertainty about the availability of test kits, that may not be practical.

 

Cruise lines will not be priority recipient of high speed test kits.  Without them they're just taking peoples temperatures.  That's a big problem.

[rtazz17]

Lol,yeah people are going to flock to cruising knowing they may not go anywhere once they spend money for flights hotels etc to get to port. Good luck with that. You could turn positive the following day,or the next or the next. Everyones going to get this eventually. Cruising is screwed.

[suzyluvs2cruise]

36 minutes ago, hazence said:

Very interesting article. I won’t be doing anything until we know what these protocols are. 

 

I think many feel the same way. My hope is that we know something sooner rather than later. 

[firefly333]

You know they can screen us all at boarding .... and then someone in a port you come in contact with has it is what I keep thinking.

 

Maybe I'm a little paranoid, but I'm  more worried by who I'm in contact with at my ports. 

[ONECRUISER]

1 hour ago, Baron Barracuda said:

At the terminal

Screening at the terminal should ensure infected persons don't embark. Testing everyone for COVID-19 is the ideal solution, however given the uncertainty about the availability of test kits, that may not be practical.

 

Cruise lines will not be priority recipient of high speed test kits.  Without them they're just taking peoples temperatures.  That's a big problem.

Almost sure they will have test kits on Ships when they sail. I'd bet will be requirement for while

[suzyluvs2cruise]

1 hour ago, Baron Barracuda said:

At the terminal

Screening at the terminal should ensure infected persons don't embark. Testing everyone for COVID-19 is the ideal solution, however given the uncertainty about the availability of test kits, that may not be practical.

 

Cruise lines will not be priority recipient of high speed test kits.  Without them they're just taking peoples temperatures.  That's a big problem.

 

The quote from the article is the 1st paragraph.  Can you share where your see that cruise lines will not be priority recipient of high speed test kits? Your post makes it look as if paragraph 2 above....about test kits....is also part of "At the Terminal"....which it isn't. 

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by suzyluvs2cruise

[mugtech]

6 hours ago, suzyluvs2cruise said:

From CLIA - Cruise Lines International Association 

 

CLIA crafting Curb - Curb framework for safe cruising

Buffets may not be possible plus dining rooms will have to spread out.  Does not sound physically possible to feed everyone unless the ships are 50% full or less.

[John&LaLa]

1 hour ago, firefly333 said:

You know they can screen us all at boarding .... and then someone in a port you come in contact with has it is what I keep thinking.

 

Maybe I'm a little paranoid, but I'm  more worried by who I'm in contact with at my ports. 

 

Cruises to Coco Cay only maybe

[Starry Eyes]

22 minutes ago, ONECRUISER said:

Almost sure they will have test kits on Ships when they sail. I'd bet will be requirement for while

I agree they are apt to have test kits in the ship medical centers when cruising resumes.  

 

The test kit availability question ring raised above, perhaps, was whether there would be enough high speed kits to test everyone prior to embarkation in addition to any diagnostic tests needed in the medical center during sailing.  All passengers plus regular screening of crew would require lots of test kits.  I would also add that if they do screen that way and if those rapid test kits generate false positives, healthy passengers and crew will likely be turned away from sailings.  A two percent false positive rate means that about one in 25 couples would be turned away with a positive test (unpleasant for anybody  but a big deal if they flew or drove a long distance to get to port).

[jp2746]

We were supposed to be on Royal (Princess) in March.  We went to the port and waited but our cruise was cancelled.  The problem I have with temperature taking is that I had a temperature.  It was only 99.5, but it was not normal for me and I was surprised that I had a temp.  Now, I know that this isn't a high temp and my husband insisted it was because I was wearing a sweater, but it did cause me to wonder what the temp would need to be to turn passengers away?   I honestly thought that something was off.  I had been having allergies and I wrote all of it off, but who knows what I had or if I had anything.  The point is, I don't know how much taking someone's temp is going to reveal.  

 

That being said, I am ready to sail today. 🙂 

[firefly333]

15 minutes ago, John&LaLa said:

 

Cruises to Coco Cay only maybe

4 booked, at least 2 go to belize. 

 

All 4 go to cozumel, I think all go there out of Galveston. I want to do that twister boat, no one will ever do it with me. I hope all that sunshine and water is safe. I want the air boat in Belize. I'll bring mosquito spray.

 

I'm hoping sunshine kills any virus on the water. I'm booking thru the cruiseline so if its rainy forecast I woildnt book, only if sunshine forecast.

 

No coco cay I'm booked for. I'll play it by ear. Walk a lot of stairs not elevators, avoid crowds but I already skip drawings, and the like, I skip crowds before the virus.

 

But you are right, rcl can reroute me. I cant wait to hear more news. 

[Starry Eyes]

18 minutes ago, jp2746 said:

We were supposed to be on Royal (Princess) in March.  We went to the port and waited but our cruise was cancelled.  The problem I have with temperature taking is that I had a temperature.  It was only 99.5, but it was not normal for me and I was surprised that I had a temp.  Now, I know that this isn't a high temp and my husband insisted it was because I was wearing a sweater, but it did cause me to wonder what the temp would need to be to turn passengers away?   I honestly thought that something was off.  I had been having allergies and I wrote all of it off, but who knows what I had or if I had anything.  The point is, I don't know how much taking someone's temp is going to reveal.  

 

That being said, I am ready to sail today. 🙂 

Here is a previous plan, just for your information.  Future ones could differ, of course, but one might expect something similar if one were betting: 

“Royal Caribbean said digital, non-touch scanners are used for the screenings.

If temperature registers about 100.4°F (38°C), the person and any travel companions will be referred to a secondary health screening. “

Sweater, allergies, perhaps some exertion, perhaps instrumental variability, perhaps a minor illness...so many causes for your 99.5, but unlikely to keep you off a ship if it happened again.

 

Edited May 13, 2020 by Starry Eyes

[firefly333]

18 minutes ago, jp2746 said:

We were supposed to be on Royal (Princess) in March.  We went to the port and waited but our cruise was cancelled.  The problem I have with temperature taking is that I had a temperature.  It was only 99.5, but it was not normal for me and I was surprised that I had a temp.  Now, I know that this isn't a high temp and my husband insisted it was because I was wearing a sweater, but it did cause me to wonder what the temp would need to be to turn passengers away?   I honestly thought that something was off.  I had been having allergies and I wrote all of it off, but who knows what I had or if I had anything.  The point is, I don't know how much taking someone's temp is going to reveal.  

 

That being said, I am ready to sail today. 🙂 

I think I heard 99.7 degrees before it's a problem. But I could be wrong.

[mugtech]

18 minutes ago, jp2746 said:

We were supposed to be on Royal (Princess) in March.  We went to the port and waited but our cruise was cancelled.  The problem I have with temperature taking is that I had a temperature.  It was only 99.5, but it was not normal for me and I was surprised that I had a temp.  Now, I know that this isn't a high temp and my husband insisted it was because I was wearing a sweater, but it did cause me to wonder what the temp would need to be to turn passengers away?   I honestly thought that something was off.  I had been having allergies and I wrote all of it off, but who knows what I had or if I had anything.  The point is, I don't know how much taking someone's temp is going to reveal.  

 

That being said, I am ready to sail today. 🙂 

Here the magic number is 38 C, which is 100.4 F, so you would have been good to go.  You might be ready to sail today, no cruise line is close to being ready.

[EscapeFromConnecticut]

We'll see if CLIA can actually accomplish something. So far, it has been arrogant and tone deaf, botching things even worse than Fain did

[suzyluvs2cruise]

 

48 minutes ago, mugtech said:

Here the magic number is 38 C, which is 100.4 F, so you would have been good to go.  You might be ready to sail today, no cruise line is close to being ready.

 

In farenheit a normal temperature is 98.6. Anyone with 100.4 would be considered to have a fever. 

 

Normal Body Temperature

Edited May 13, 2020 by suzyluvs2cruise

[zekekelso]

1 hour ago, Starry Eyes said:

The test kit availability question ring raised above, perhaps, was whether there would be enough high speed kits to test everyone prior to embarkation in addition to any diagnostic tests needed in the medical center during sailing.  All passengers plus regular screening of crew would require lots of test kits.  I would also add that if they do screen that way and if those rapid test kits generate false positives, healthy passengers and crew will likely be turned away from sailings.  A two percent false positive rate means that about one in 25 couples would be turned away with a positive test (unpleasant for anybody  but a big deal if they flew or drove a long distance to get to port).

 

The only way I can see it working is to screen first with a questionnaire and temperature check. Only those flagged would get an actual test. Given people's willingness to lie/cheat/whatever-it-takes to get on the ship, I'm not sure if this will do any good from a public health standpoint. But I'm not sure if the point is really to protect people, as it is to appear to be doing something so the authorities will let the ships sail. 

[ONECRUISER]

1 hour ago, Starry Eyes said:

I agree they are apt to have test kits in the ship medical centers when cruising resumes.  

 

The test kit availability question ring raised above, perhaps, was whether there would be enough high speed kits to test everyone prior to embarkation in addition to any diagnostic tests needed in the medical center during sailing.  All passengers plus regular screening of crew would require lots of test kits.  I would also add that if they do screen that way and if those rapid test kits generate false positives, healthy passengers and crew will likely be turned away from sailings.  A two percent false positive rate means that about one in 25 couples would be turned away with a positive test (unpleasant for anybody  but a big deal if they flew or drove a long distance to get to port).

True, False Positives are defiantly an issue. Testing all of the Millions Cruise passengers/Crew multiple times with many thousands False Positives possible could cause as many problems as lack of a test.

[DragonOfTheSeas]

DH and I were on the March 7 Grandeur cruise out of Baltimore.  When we left our house there were no CV cases in Virginia [where I live]. When were retuned it was a different world.  . . . but, there were a number of measures onboard I think will be the norm.  

 

I did not notice anyone shaking hands or hugging and hand sanitizer was everywhere.  You had to use it.  [before you enter the theatre, at all meals, at the casino entrance, just everywhere]

 

We had our temperature taken and answered questions about travel history before we ever went through security at the terminal.   However, I felt it was very superficial.  It was a VERY cold day and temp check and questions made for a slow wait outside.  When they went to check our temps our foreheads were too cold to read a temp. After a minute or so it got warm enough to register.  If a person had a temp I am not sure it would have been caught under these circumstances. So the questions and temp check were not all that effective.

 

On the cruise there was constant cleaning.  There had been a deep clean before we boarded.  Outside of cleaning the first couple of days were not much different.  Then some noro cases showed up.  The cleaning went into overdrive.  They began serving at the buffet for breakfast and lunch and the WJ was closed at dinner. Everyone, including the Captain, served meals in the WJ.  They switched to a faster and stronger disinfectant.  It left a sticky residue after use on the tables and handrails.  

 

There were no sales outside of the stores.  i.e. t-stores, $10 specials, watches. [not even at the permanent counters outside the stores]  The photo areas was roped off. You had to ask the clerk to find your picture.  He held it up to show you the pics.  You decided if you wanted it and then you held up the sea pass card and he entered the folio number into the machine. [no touch]  Most of the shop clerks wore gloves.  

 

We were all ok with this.  We were not socially distancing.  We saw the news and were glad we were on a ship that had no CV. 

 

 

[Sunshine3601]

12 hours ago, suzyluvs2cruise said:

 

 

In farenheit a normal temperature is 98.6. Anyone with 100.4 would be considered to have a fever. 

 

Normal Body Temperature

Add something crazy about body temperature.  My Dh is an organ transplant recipient and his "normal" body temp ranges from 96 to 97.  Very common for transplant recipients.  If his temp gets to 99 that is considered very high and he is to call transplant doc immediately.    

How about hot flashes for menopausal women?  

Taking temp of everyone really wont work but good to have in place  I guess.

[zekekelso]

Curious what the propose to deal with security checkpoints getting on/off the ship. Image how long the lines would be if they try to impose six feet between each person.