Rare jimbo5544 Posted July 8, 2020 #251 Share Posted July 8, 2020 7 hours ago, KmomChicago said: This is a good way to put it. Obviously every ship has its die hard fans but not enough to fill so many outdated ships, consistently, sailing after sailing. They were doing just fine before covid 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeFromConnecticut Posted July 8, 2020 #252 Share Posted July 8, 2020 8 hours ago, KmomChicago said: This is a good way to put it. Obviously every ship has its die hard fans but not enough to fill so many outdated ships, consistently, sailing after sailing. Absolutely. The old days are over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare KmomChicago Posted July 8, 2020 #253 Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 hour ago, jimbo5544 said: They were doing just fine before covid yes, exactly, like so many other things in life and travel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted July 8, 2020 #254 Share Posted July 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, KmomChicago said: yes, exactly, like so many other things in life and travel. Travel was extremely strong before and despite the virus, actually remains fairly strong and certainly no reason to think it will not return to that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted July 8, 2020 #255 Share Posted July 8, 2020 25 minutes ago, EscapeFromConnecticut said: Absolutely. The old days are over. There is a new normal. Americans just haven't accepted that, yet. They will, or not. New cruisers are born every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K&RCurt Posted July 8, 2020 #256 Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said: Travel was extremely strong before and despite the virus, actually remains fairly strong and certainly no reason to think it will not return to that. I agree, there will be a huge pent up demmand once trave can safely resume. The future of cruising will be strong, the big question is when will we be able to safely travel again and what will be the status of the cruise lines. It is quite possible that it takes so long that the cruise lines will have to get rid of ships that they will have a need for when they do resume, just in order to survive. At that point, capacity may be diminished to a point where prices go way up until they build new capacity. Edited July 8, 2020 by K&RCurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted July 8, 2020 #257 Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 minute ago, fyree39 said: Every time we go on the Inspiration/Imagination there are many blue card holders. There is almost always a wedding (or two), as well. IMO, Carnival uses the small ships to attract and keep first-time cruisers for a quick getaway. And the crew has told me often they actually prefer the 3/4-day schedule. So, everybody on board is happier than a pig in a poke and has a fantastic time. Maybe the die hard cruisers don't care about the small ships, but I believe Carnival sees a market for these gorgeous workhorses. I love our little 3-day cruises and really miss them. There may come a time when I don't sail Carnival again, but the 3-day jaunts will be awarded an exemption. Carnival paid cash for the Fantasy class ships and they have been cash cows for many years. When they leave you he fleet the mgt team will be eatatic at their performance over their life span. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted July 8, 2020 #258 Share Posted July 8, 2020 21 minutes ago, fyree39 said: Are you on your phone? 🙂 How can u tell?😄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeFromConnecticut Posted July 8, 2020 #259 Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-08/coronavirus-travel-what-happens-to-cruise-ships-during-covid-19 Edited July 8, 2020 by EscapeFromConnecticut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe817 Posted July 8, 2020 #260 Share Posted July 8, 2020 25 minutes ago, fyree39 said: I saw this the other day. I feel for the crew. How horribly boring. I find it incredibly sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted July 8, 2020 #261 Share Posted July 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, Joe817 said: I find it incredibly sad. Yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted July 8, 2020 #262 Share Posted July 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, fyree39 said: At least they're working. I'm surprised Carnival isn't lining up some European cruises sans Americans. Their market is really Americans. IF they could do that, they would do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Honolulu Blue Posted July 8, 2020 #263 Share Posted July 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, fyree39 said: I'm surprised Carnival isn't lining up some European cruises sans Americans. Carnival Corporation owns Costa, AIDA, and P&O, all of whom I'm sure are working on opening up the European market. They don't need to muddy the waters with the whale tail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drsel Posted July 14, 2020 #264 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Previously soldCosta neoClassica sold to Bahamas ParadiseCosta neoRiviera sold to AIDA (group Co.)Costa Mediterranea - sold to Carnival-China JVPacific Aria - sold to CMV, early departurePacific Dawn - sold to CMV, early departureConfirmedCosta Victoria - sold for scrapP&O Oceana - sold to Greek buyersVery LikelyCarnival Fascination - sold for scrapCarnival Inspiration - sold for scrapCarnival Imagination - sold for scrapCarnival Ecstasy - sold for scrapMS MaasdamMS VeendamCosta neoRomantica - sold to Carnival-China JV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xDisconnections Posted July 14, 2020 #265 Share Posted July 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, drsel said: Previously sold Costa neoClassica sold to Bahamas Paradise Costa neoRiviera sold to AIDA (group Co.) Costa Mediterranea - sold to Carnival-China JV Pacific Aria - sold to CMV, early departure Pacific Dawn - sold to CMV, early departure Confirmed Costa Victoria - sold for scrap P&O Oceana - sold to Greek buyers Very Likely Carnival Fascination - sold for scrap Carnival Inspiration - sold for scrap Carnival Imagination - sold for scrap Carnival Ecstasy - sold for scrap MS Maasdam MS Veendam Costa neoRomantica - sold to Carnival-China JV No Fantasy? Sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch09 Posted July 14, 2020 #266 Share Posted July 14, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, drsel said: Previously sold Costa neoClassica sold to Bahamas Paradise Costa neoRiviera sold to AIDA (group Co.) Costa Mediterranea - sold to Carnival-China JV Pacific Aria - sold to CMV, early departure Pacific Dawn - sold to CMV, early departure Confirmed Costa Victoria - sold for scrap P&O Oceana - sold to Greek buyers Very Likely Carnival Fascination - sold for scrap Carnival Inspiration - sold for scrap Carnival Imagination - sold for scrap Carnival Ecstasy - sold for scrap MS Maasdam MS Veendam Costa neoRomantica - sold to Carnival-China JV Here goes the Veendam, Maasdam and the Costa neoRomantica. All three most likely will be scrapped. https://www.tradewindsnews.com/cruise-and-ferry/carnival-to-sell-one-costa-cruises-two-holland-ships/2-1-842327 Edited July 14, 2020 by ch09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drsel Posted July 14, 2020 #267 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Veendam and Maasdam maybe scrapped, but NeoRomantica is likely to be sold to the Carnival China JV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiseAdict218 Posted July 14, 2020 #268 Share Posted July 14, 2020 2 hours ago, drsel said: Previously sold Costa neoClassica sold to Bahamas Paradise Costa neoRiviera sold to AIDA (group Co.) Costa Mediterranea - sold to Carnival-China JV Pacific Aria - sold to CMV, early departure Pacific Dawn - sold to CMV, early departure Confirmed Costa Victoria - sold for scrap P&O Oceana - sold to Greek buyers Very Likely Carnival Fascination - sold for scrap Carnival Inspiration - sold for scrap Carnival Imagination - sold for scrap Carnival Ecstasy - sold for scrap MS Maasdam MS Veendam Costa neoRomantica - sold to Carnival-China JV Fascination is bond for Malta so that will be interesting. Where did you see Imagination was sold, she’s still holding on the other side of the canal, so if she was sold she’s be sailing towards Inspiration in Curaçao by now. Ecstasy is sailing around Africa but I don’t believe was sold. Inspiration is either being stripped or is taking on whatever was taken off Fantasy so we shall see soon But you didn’t name Fantasy who is actually sailing towards Turkey? Also curious about neoRomantica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drsel Posted July 15, 2020 #269 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Costa Neoromantica sailings around Japan have been cancelled after September 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted July 15, 2020 #270 Share Posted July 15, 2020 On 7/14/2020 at 3:56 PM, CruiseAdict218 said: Fascination is bond for Malta so that will be interesting. Where did you see Imagination was sold, she’s still holding on the other side of the canal, so if she was sold she’s be sailing towards Inspiration in Curaçao by now. Ecstasy is sailing around Africa but I don’t believe was sold. Inspiration is either being stripped or is taking on whatever was taken off Fantasy so we shall see soon But you didn’t name Fantasy who is actually sailing towards Turkey? Also curious about neoRomantica. https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23246-four-holland-america-line-ships-sold.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Essiesmom Posted July 15, 2020 #271 Share Posted July 15, 2020 From the HAL blog: https://www.hollandamerica.com/blog/topics/news/four-ships-to-leave-the-holland-america-line-fleet-in-2020/?fbclid=IwAR0BuV4oQlQHwhMumMzvLHRavjYtT3WBoxmypJQ7C-Qlx863npkzMmAKsfU 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruising89143 Posted July 15, 2020 #272 Share Posted July 15, 2020 27 minutes ago, Essiesmom said: From the HAL blog: https://www.hollandamerica.com/blog/topics/news/four-ships-to-leave-the-holland-america-line-fleet-in-2020/?fbclid=IwAR0BuV4oQlQHwhMumMzvLHRavjYtT3WBoxmypJQ7C-Qlx863npkzMmAKsfU Rotterdam and Amsterdam sold to Fred. Olsen Cruise Line. https://www.bonheur.no/latest-news1?SelectedRelease=http://publish.ne.cision.com/Release/GetDetail/7CDB812CA7F9D5C5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted July 15, 2020 #273 Share Posted July 15, 2020 1 hour ago, jimbo5544 said: https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23246-four-holland-america-line-ships-sold.html And that makes 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
embarkation75 Posted July 16, 2020 #274 Share Posted July 16, 2020 1 hour ago, BlerkOne said: And that makes 6. 6 down...7 to go 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidecat Posted July 16, 2020 #275 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Counting the Ryndam (due to be completed next year), that is a 19% decrease in capacity at for Holland America (5,312 of 28,088 lower berths). Even if Carnival Cruise Line parts winds up parting with 3 Fantasy class ships, it will only be around a 7.7% reduction in capacity with Mardi Gras coming online. Even then that gap will be mostly closed up in late 2022 (probably early 2023 now) with the second XL ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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