bikerunner Posted October 3, 2021 #201 Share Posted October 3, 2021 11 minutes ago, Bo1953 said: Yes, 'the challenge survives' and YOU win, as there is no one here, yet, willing to do the research for you. For you, this pricing does not exist, clearly. For others the pricing exists, clearly. Good luck and bon voyage Some people just cannot see both sides. I agree it’s very clear for me. If I just read the headlines of every article, advertisement etc I would have a different view of things and then agree it’s fake. So with this headline we all should have bought this car then No research ooo it’s the best 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeRick Posted October 3, 2021 #202 Share Posted October 3, 2021 The beat goes on. I feel badly for the dead horse. AI is a marketing campaign. Whether we like it or not, every commercial and advertisement of every marketing campaign has an asterisk or two. We all know that and live with that and accept it. Most people are smart enough not to believe every word and phrase at face value. And they look into the details for themselves and make a decision. Look at a car ad with a price "guaranteed" and a set of options. The asterisk fills up half the page with exceptions. There are thousands of non-cruise examples. So why so much angst and debate about Celebrity's latest AI marketing campaign? Who of us really thinks there is absolute truth in advertising? Honestly there have been so many threads and posts on AI. And all with the same arguments. You either like it or if you do not go to another cruise line and see if you like their latest marketing campaign with their asterisks. 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichYak Posted October 3, 2021 #203 Share Posted October 3, 2021 1 minute ago, TeeRick said: AI is a marketing campaign. I would categorize it more as a heavily promoted fare class. To me, that's exactly what it is. I agree with the rest of your comments. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampbabe Posted October 3, 2021 #204 Share Posted October 3, 2021 This thread has been most entertaining and it reaffirms my decision not to sail on Oceania. 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeRick Posted October 3, 2021 #205 Share Posted October 3, 2021 12 minutes ago, RichYak said: I would categorize it more as a heavily promoted fare class. To me, that's exactly what it is. I agree with the rest of your comments. Rich forgive me if I don't get into the semantics of this with you here.😀 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGW59 Posted October 3, 2021 #206 Share Posted October 3, 2021 30 minutes ago, Swampbabe said: This thread has been most entertaining and it reaffirms my decision not to sail on Oceania. Indeed it has and I look forward to ak1004 returning 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichYak Posted October 3, 2021 #207 Share Posted October 3, 2021 1 hour ago, TeeRick said: Rich forgive me if I don't get into the semantics of this with you here.😀 But we've barely scratched the surface... 🤣 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare C-Dragons Posted October 3, 2021 #208 Share Posted October 3, 2021 1 hour ago, TeeRick said: The beat goes on. I feel badly for the dead horse. AI is a marketing campaign. Whether we like it or not, every commercial and advertisement of every marketing campaign has an asterisk or two. We all know that and live with that and accept it. Most people are smart enough not to believe every word and phrase at face value. And they look into the details for themselves and make a decision. Look at a car ad with a price "guaranteed" and a set of options. The asterisk fills up half the page with exceptions. There are thousands of non-cruise examples. So why so much angst and debate about Celebrity's latest AI marketing campaign? Who of us really thinks there is absolute truth in advertising? Honestly there have been so many threads and posts on AI. And all with the same arguments. You either like it or if you do not go to another cruise line and see if you like their latest marketing campaign with their asterisks. I agree about the horse. 😉 However, I'm not so sure about all the angst. IMO, some prefer to debate just for sport. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prish Posted October 3, 2021 #209 Share Posted October 3, 2021 (edited) Some like to argue just for the sake of arguing, lol 😂 Edited October 3, 2021 by prish 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spif Barwunkel Posted October 3, 2021 #210 Share Posted October 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, prish said: G You say G, I say O, GO Dartmouth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguins Posted October 3, 2021 #211 Share Posted October 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Bo1953 said: Because I did not check, are there non-Gty cabins in the same category available? bon voyage None, which is what you won't accept. That is the new Celebrity pricing structure. Oh sorry you know otherwise but aren't prepared to help fellow CC members by even giving a catagoric example of a specific non AI cabin. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGW59 Posted October 3, 2021 #212 Share Posted October 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, the penguins said: None, which is what you won't accept. That is the new Celebrity pricing structure. Oh sorry you know otherwise but aren't prepared to help fellow CC members by even giving a catagoric example of a specific non AI cabin. See post #174, hope it is helpful 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagoffee Posted October 3, 2021 #213 Share Posted October 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Bo1953 said: Because I did not check, are there non-Gty cabins in the same category available? bon voyage Yes, it shows on the left in the picture, but they include AI. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare C-Dragons Posted October 3, 2021 #214 Share Posted October 3, 2021 9 hours ago, the penguins said: The challenge survives. Celebrity says no agent any longer has the deal you claim yours has. You refuse to post the proof ( I didn't ask for the Agent just simple figures against a specific cruise and cabin number for any cruise in Celebrity's published program.) Anyone else able to produce the evidence? Just a thought…You are not a client of Bo's TA. It would not be of any use to provide you with a specific cabin number and associated price if his TA has blocked cabins under a group booking. Perhaps you need to shop around for a TA who can give you what you have been told does exist. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguins Posted October 3, 2021 #215 Share Posted October 3, 2021 1 minute ago, C-Dragons said: Just a thought…You are not a client of Bo's TA. It would not be of any use to provide you with a specific cabin number and associated price if his TA has blocked cabins under a group booking. Perhaps you need to shop around for a TA who can give you what you have been told does exist. The problem is Celebrity say no travel agents still has this deal. It's AI with a confirmed cabin or no AI with a guarantee. Various contributors have claimed their agents still have such deals but ask for an example and none have substantiated the claim. Also I can't find a single travel agent that advertises such a deal and nor can numerous friends in the UK, USA and Canada find such deals either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGW59 Posted October 3, 2021 #216 Share Posted October 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, the penguins said: The problem is Celebrity say no travel agents still has this deal. It's AI with a confirmed cabin or no AI with a guarantee. Various contributors have claimed their agents still have such deals but ask for an example and none have substantiated the claim. Also I can't find a single travel agent that advertises such a deal and nor can numerous friends in the UK, USA and Canada find such deals either. If this is what you want, why not just book directly with Celebrity, pretty much solves the “problem “. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Stockjock Posted October 3, 2021 #217 Share Posted October 3, 2021 4 hours ago, bikerunner said: Some people just cannot see both sides. I agree it’s very clear for me. If I just read the headlines of every article, advertisement etc I would have a different view of things and then agree it’s fake. So with this headline we all should have bought this car then No research ooo it’s the best Here's an old joke: Q. Why does the Yugo have seatbelts? A. So you can wear it as a backpack. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo1953 Posted October 3, 2021 #218 Share Posted October 3, 2021 1 hour ago, C-Dragons said: Just a thought…You are not a client of Bo's TA. It would not be of any use to provide you with a specific cabin number and associated price if his TA has blocked cabins under a group booking. Perhaps you need to shop around for a TA who can give you what you have been told does exist. Thank you C - early on I could see that this would be like Alice In Wonderland with this poster, down the rabbit hole... next demand would be 'prove it', then give the TA's name etc... They still fail to realize just because they could not find it, no one else may have found it. Like X is going to give out negotiated pricing info and associated TA's??? LOL I Am not doing the research for the poster, most of us have done our own research and found rates and TA's (big box, agencies, X, etc.) we are happy with. The poster has not and may not, soon. bon voyage 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davekathy Posted October 3, 2021 #219 Share Posted October 3, 2021 16 minutes ago, Bo1953 said: Thank you C - early on I could see that this would be like Alice In Wonderland with this poster, down the rabbit hole... next demand would be 'prove it', then give the TA's name etc... They still fail to realize just because they could not find it, no one else may have found it. Like X is going to give out negotiated pricing info and associated TA's??? LOL I Am not doing the research for the poster, most of us have done our own research and found rates and TA's (big box, agencies, X, etc.) we are happy with. The poster has not and may not, soon. bon voyage Bo, I agree and it's just that simple. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguins Posted October 3, 2021 #220 Share Posted October 3, 2021 1 hour ago, LGW59 said: If this is what you want, why not just book directly with Celebrity, pretty much solves the “problem “. It doesn't. Book direct and you have 2 choices; 1) a specific cabin with AI 2) a guaranteed cabin with no AI. Celebrity say these are the only to choices available. Several contributors on this and other threads say they have agents through which they can book a specific cabin without AI. When challenged not one of those contributors has been able to give one example on any Celebrity cruise where this is possible. Also no travel agent that I or any of my friends can find advertises such a deal because if such deals were available they would be promoted heavily. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguins Posted October 3, 2021 #221 Share Posted October 3, 2021 3 hours ago, LGW59 said: See post #174, hope it is helpful Thank you. Post 174 is for a guarantee cabin which indeed doesn't have AI. We are looking for a specific bookable cabin with no AI. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Airbalancer Posted October 3, 2021 #222 Share Posted October 3, 2021 It really costs down to if think the price you paid is good value for your money advertising makes very little difference if you book or not I think the OP was bored and just want to post something silly , because this topic has been beat to death 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare C-Dragons Posted October 3, 2021 #223 Share Posted October 3, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bo1953 said: Thank you C - early on I could see that this would be like Alice In Wonderland with this poster, down the rabbit hole... next demand would be 'prove it', then give the TA's name etc... They still fail to realize just because they could not find it, no one else may have found it. Like X is going to give out negotiated pricing info and associated TA's??? LOL I Am not doing the research for the poster, most of us have done our own research and found rates and TA's (big box, agencies, X, etc.) we are happy with. The poster has not and may not, soon. bon voyage Bo, I was also going to tell him that X agents have no idea what rates individual TA's have negotiated and contracted with X, so they couldn’t direct him to anyone in particular. But I realized he would just repeat his grievance, so there was no point in continuing the conversation. Edited October 3, 2021 by C-Dragons 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ak1004 Posted October 3, 2021 Author #224 Share Posted October 3, 2021 6 hours ago, LGW59 said: Indeed it has and I look forward to ak1004 returning ak1004 is not returning because ak1004 has nothing to add to the subject. That said, ak1004 wants to remind all responders what the original post was about (as usual on cruisecritic, the last 8 pages have nothing to do with the original post). What is Always Included (AI)? Is AI a good value? How AI prices compare to Cruise Only (CO) prices? Can you book cabins with CO prices? Is Celebrity a good line? How Celebrity compare to Oceania, Crystal, Princess, Carnival or Air Canada? How to find a good TA? Can a good TA get you CO prices for a cabin you want? How other cruise lines advertise and how does it compare to Celebrity advertising? Why advertising in North America sucks? Who has a bigger d**k - a Wall Street insider, a lawyer for a large international law firm or an employee of the largest real estate company in the world? Who killed JFK? The original post had nothing to do with any of those questions/issues. My only goal was to show that in some cases, for certain sailings and certain categories, Celebrity advertised prices are different from the actual prices. Clarification: Advertised prices = prices you see in the cruise summary, below the slogan "Always included" (which gibes an impression that all shown prices always include those 3 perks). Actual prices: prices you see during the booking process when you want to book AI. I showed a specific example with screenshots where advertised prices are different from the actual prices. This specific example is a fact, not an opinion. I believe this is false and misleading advertising. Some people believe it's not. It's pretty simple. Has nothing to do with any of the issues/questions listed above. On a related note, I would like to congratulate Celebrity for building such a loyal customer base of real believers and fanboys/fangirls who will say anything to defend their favorite cruise line, no matter what this line does. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyCapn Posted October 3, 2021 #225 Share Posted October 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, ak1004 said: ak1004 is not returning because ak1004 has nothing to add to the subject. Proceeds to write 400 more words on a subject ak1004 has nothing to add to. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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