Tipping

[caribill]

1 hour ago, ldubs said:

 

Daily gratuities are included in the packages you mention.  If someone does not want to pay the expected gratuities, they shouldn't buy the package.   There are other packages for drinks and wifi, that do not include gratuities.  So, I guess those 75% are deciding not to do options 1 or 2.  Hope the remaining 25% do the same.       

 

Since the alcohol package by itself costs more than the Plus package, nobody who hates tipping is going to spend more money to avoid tipping with the Plus package.

[caribill]

10 hours ago, ldubs said:

 

I meant tipping.  If they leave $10 daily to three people, they are tipping more than the expected daily gratuity.   In that case it would not be a case of just being cheap. 

 

 

9 hours ago, cr8tiv1 said:

 

I'm sorry, I still don't understand your "tipping".  It's not you, I need to have it pretty basic for me to understand.  

 

I think Idubs is saying if you daily hand $10 cash to three different people who provide service to you (a total of $30/day), you are actually paying much more than the normal $14.50/day.

 

 

[cr8tiv1]

That's what I initially was thinking.  But I don't think poster was handing out $10 bills daily to the room steward and MDR wait staff.  I understood the poster to say that the crew appreciation was reduced to $10 (instead of $16.50)  daily for all.  Putting poster into Level 2.

 

And if I was not clear, Level 3 included the Premier or Premium Beverage package (wifi, crew appreciation, and 15 beverages, plus more) that you could not remove the crew appreciation.  

 

But as I stated, passengers are going to do what they do.  I am happy to hear that as many as 73%-75% of the passengers fall into Level 3.  Thanks.

 

2 hours ago, ldubs said:

Give money to recognize service.     

 

4 minutes ago, caribill said:

I think Idubs is saying if you daily hand $10 cash to three different people who provide service to you (a total of $30/day), you are actually paying much more than the normal $14.50/day.

 

[donaldsc]

Just think.  If we did not have tipping and maybe also chair hogs there would be no posts on CC.

 

DON

 

[devonuk]

Here we go then with something interesting to ponder. This afternoon I contacted 4 couples who, like me, regularly sail with Princess. All are British and none of them buy the ‘packages’ and when asked it’s because they don’t drink that much or don’t need the WiFi. 
So, here’s the hit… they ALL remove the Crew Appreciation either on the first day or within a day or so. 

[c-boy]

14 minutes ago, devonuk said:

Here we go then with something interesting to ponder. This afternoon I contacted 4 couples who, like me, regularly sail with Princess. All are British and none of them buy the ‘packages’ and when asked it’s because they don’t drink that much or don’t need the WiFi. 
So, here’s the hit… they ALL remove the Crew Appreciation either on the first day or within a day or so. 

and then what do they do ?

[Bobbiegentry]

6 hours ago, c-boy said:

and then what do they do ?

Ahhhh, a trick question.  

[KarmaCruisers]

I didn’t think this about; but I bet I tip MORE than $100 per day on a cruise (I also purchase the “plus” package so the “base” tips are already being paid)

since all tips are just added to a pool fleet-wide, then divided up…and I play in the casino a LOT; and tip $5+ for winning hands..20 hands of this in an evening and voila (not even 20; 10 or 15 because like I said, $5 is the minimum)

and to be honestly I don’t feel like my “service” is of any higher quality than someone who doesn’t tip..it’s just what I do when I play table games…not to mention the $1 per drink to the cocktail server…

tipping is something that is hard-engrained in the US; mostly because of “feeling guilty” (the last part is JHMO)

[donaldsc]

52 minutes ago, devonuk said:

Here we go then with something interesting to ponder. This afternoon I contacted 4 couples who, like me, regularly sail with Princess. All are British and none of them buy the ‘packages’ and when asked it’s because they don’t drink that much or don’t need the WiFi. 
So, here’s the hit… they ALL remove the Crew Appreciation either on the first day or within a day or so. 

20 minutes ago, Bobbiegentry said:

Ahhhh, a trick question.  

 

What they should do it is to put your tipping status in code on your Medallion account.  Then when crew members see that on the account they will give the passengers the service that they deserve.

 

DON

[ldubs]

3 hours ago, caribill said:

 

Since the alcohol package by itself costs more than the Plus package, nobody who hates tipping is going to spend more money to avoid tipping with the Plus package.

 

I've never bought one, so didn't know.  Kind of surprising, and yeah, I can't help but agree.  

[ldubs]

3 hours ago, caribill said:

 

 

I think Idubs is saying if you daily hand $10 cash to three different people who provide service to you (a total of $30/day), you are actually paying much more than the normal $14.50/day.

 

 

Yes, that is what I was trying to say.  Sorry about the confusion.   I have to remember not everyone can read my mind!  Haha.  

[ldubs]

2 hours ago, donaldsc said:

Just think.  If we did not have tipping and maybe also chair hogs there would be no posts on CC.

 

DON

 

 

Let us not forget dress codes!  😀

[caribill]

4 minutes ago, ldubs said:

 

Let us not forget dress codes!  😀

 

And barrel chairs

[ldubs]

2 hours ago, KarmaCruisers said:

I didn’t think this about; but I bet I tip MORE than $100 per day on a cruise (I also purchase the “plus” package so the “base” tips are already being paid)

since all tips are just added to a pool fleet-wide, then divided up…and I play in the casino a LOT; and tip $5+ for winning hands..20 hands of this in an evening and voila (not even 20; 10 or 15 because like I said, $5 is the minimum)

and to be honestly I don’t feel like my “service” is of any higher quality than someone who doesn’t tip..it’s just what I do when I play table games…not to mention the $1 per drink to the cocktail server…

tipping is something that is hard-engrained in the US; mostly because of “feeling guilty” (the last part is JHMO)

 

I agree it is hard grained (engrained, ingrained however we say it) but not sure about feeling guilty.  It is just a deeply rooted custom, IMO.  

[antsp]

2 hours ago, donaldsc said:

 

What they should do it is to put your tipping status in code on your Medallion account.  Then when crew members see that on the account they will give the passengers the service that they deserve.

That's very interesting, do you have a link to this information 

 

[ontheweb]

1 hour ago, ldubs said:

 

Let us not forget dress codes!  😀

And complaints about missed ports. 😒

[devonuk]

3 hours ago, c-boy said:

and then what do they do ?

A good question… I asked them and everyone tips as they feel appropriate. One couple only tipped the cabin attendant and waiters if on a ship where they had the same team each night. 

[The Greater Fool]

3 hours ago, donaldsc said:

 

What they should do it is to put your tipping status in code on your Medallion account.  Then when crew members see that on the account they will give the passengers the service that they deserve.

 

DON

I can assure you that word get's around quickly among the servers.

[c-boy]

3 hours ago, KarmaCruisers said:

I didn’t think this about; but I bet I tip MORE than $100 per day on a cruise (I also purchase the “plus” package so the “base” tips are already being paid)

since all tips are just added to a pool fleet-wide, then divided up…and I play in the casino a LOT; and tip $5+ for winning hands..20 hands of this in an evening and voila (not even 20; 10 or 15 because like I said, $5 is the minimum)

and to be honestly I don’t feel like my “service” is of any higher quality than someone who doesn’t tip..it’s just what I do when I play table games…not to mention the $1 per drink to the cocktail server…

tipping is something that is hard-engrained in the US; mostly because of “feeling guilty” (the last part is JHMO)

For some reason your post makes me wanna listen to the blues ...

 

           

[devonuk]

27 minutes ago, The Greater Fool said:

I can assure you that word get's around quickly among the servers.

As per a previous post of mine my Sky Princess cabin steward recently stated that she didn’t know either but I do acknowledge you stated ‘servers’. 🤷‍♂️

[donaldsc]

41 minutes ago, devonuk said:

As per a previous post of mine my Sky Princess cabin steward recently stated that she didn’t know either but I do acknowledge you stated ‘servers’. 🤷‍♂️

 

I suspect that they really don't know.  However if they were told who has cancelled tips they could do the bare required minimum for those rooms and spend more time in the rooms and be more responsive to the reasonable requests of the people who reward them for their hard work.  It is certainly true that tips should be included as part of fare and not cancellable.  However the tipping culture is what it is on most mass market cruise lines and people who do not tip appropriately for whatever reason (cultural or just being cheap) should reap what they sew.

 

In reality I do almost all of my cruising on upscale lines that include the tips in the cruise fare because I prefer to pay one fee for the cruise instead of being nickeled and dimed to death for everything extra that I want.

 

DON

[Doug R.]

6 hours ago, donaldsc said:

Just think.  If we did not have tipping and maybe also chair hogs there would be no posts on CC.

 

DON

 

We would always have formal nights left to argue about.

[Arizona Wildcat]

1 hour ago, donaldsc said:

 

I suspect that they really don't know.  However if they were told who has cancelled tips they could do the bare required minimum for those rooms and spend more time in the rooms and be more responsive to the reasonable requests of the people who reward them for their hard work.  It is certainly true that tips should be included as part of fare and not cancellable.  However the tipping culture is what it is on most mass market cruise lines and people who do not tip appropriately for whatever reason (cultural or just being cheap) should reap what they sew.

 

In reality I do almost all of my cruising on upscale lines that include the tips in the cruise fare because I prefer to pay one fee for the cruise instead of being nickeled and dimed to death for everything extra that I want.

 

DON

The crew does not know who has opted out of the automatic tipping.  It also would not tell them anything as I usually opt out, but tip probably $40 a day for DW and self in cash (more to those who gave best service).

 

Agree it is unfortunate that those with a no tipping culture - we lived in Australia - cannot go with the flow in places where tipping is the norm.  What goes around comes around - had friends on a B2B who gave no tips.  Service was poor on the second leg until I discussed tipping with the Aussies and they quickly handed out a bunch of envelopes with notes of apology and cash.

[Potstech]

5 hours ago, ldubs said:

 

Let us not forget dress codes!  😀

And pats of butter.

[Thrak]

32 minutes ago, Potstech said:

And pats of butter.

 

You forgot the bucket chairs...