yorkshirephil Posted January 5, 2023 #151 Share Posted January 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, showingdiva said: But too many crazy stairs in a M.C Escher way Could be interesting after a few beers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britboys Posted January 5, 2023 #152 Share Posted January 5, 2023 5 hours ago, showingdiva said: But too many crazy stairs in a M.C Escher way Sorry - that one's lost on me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted January 5, 2023 #153 Share Posted January 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, Britboys said: Sorry - that one's lost on me... I googled it. He was the bloke who did those silly staircases. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britboys Posted January 5, 2023 #154 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 minute ago, zap99 said: I googled it. He was the bloke who did those silly staircases. Thanks Zap - I did wonder. Assume Showingdiva means the ones around the atrium... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showingdiva Posted January 5, 2023 #155 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Just now, Britboys said: Sorry - that one's lost on me... Because Aurora has a dining area mid-ships, there's decks where you can't walk from one end to the other. At the time, had an elderly parent on tow, who also didn't do enclosed lifts. The walk up to the Orangery 😕. I was just about needing oxygenated 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showingdiva Posted February 9, 2023 #156 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) On 12/23/2022 at 9:12 PM, showingdiva said: The three names that keep cropping up on the speculation list across the web are Costa Magica, Costa Fortuna and AIDAaura The second part of the sale list solved. After news that AIDAaura is leaving at the end of the 2023 season, now Costa Magica has been sold to Seajets (who also bought and laid up Oceana). Edited February 9, 2023 by showingdiva 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AchileLauro Posted February 9, 2023 #157 Share Posted February 9, 2023 On 1/5/2023 at 11:58 PM, showingdiva said: Because Aurora has a dining area mid-ships, there's decks where you can't walk from one end to the other. At the time, had an elderly parent on tow, who also didn't do enclosed lifts. The walk up to the Orangery 😕. I was just about needing oxygenated Just wondering but have you confused your ships? Aurora doesn't have an Orangery. The only restaurant that may present the problem you mention is the Alexandria restaurant at the rear of deck 6 and that is because the galley is sandwiched between it and the Medina restaurant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel57 Posted February 9, 2023 #158 Share Posted February 9, 2023 2 hours ago, AchileLauro said: Just wondering but have you confused your ships? Aurora doesn't have an Orangery. The only restaurant that may present the problem you mention is the Alexandria restaurant at the rear of deck 6 and that is because the galley is sandwiched between it and the Medina restaurant. The buffet on Aurora was originally called The Orangery (going back several years now) before it was renamed Horizon after a refit. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpio41 Posted February 9, 2023 #159 Share Posted February 9, 2023 On 12/29/2022 at 10:52 PM, wowzz said: But P&O were still selling future cruises on her, right up until the day her sale was announced! P&O did the Same when they sold the Adonia. They just cancelled our booked cruise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AchileLauro Posted February 9, 2023 #160 Share Posted February 9, 2023 22 minutes ago, Angel57 said: The buffet on Aurora was originally called The Orangery (going back several years now) before it was renamed Horizon after a refit. I thought it was but I didn't trust my memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack McGowan Posted February 9, 2023 #161 Share Posted February 9, 2023 21 hours ago, showingdiva said: The second part of the sale list solved. After news that AIDAaura is leaving at the end of the 2023 season, now Costa Magica has been sold to Seajets (who also bought and laid up Oceana). Wonder if they will ever use her! Presumably like Oceana and all the others they’ve brought, just holding onto them until a better offer comes along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showingdiva Posted February 10, 2023 #162 Share Posted February 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Jack McGowan said: Wonder if they will ever use her! Presumably like Oceana and all the others they’ve brought, just holding onto them until a better offer comes along. That seems to be the basis of their business, certainly post-pandemic, either to other companies or waiting until the price of scrapping is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiebarnzy Posted February 11, 2023 #163 Share Posted February 11, 2023 Don’t think P&O will lose another ship just yet, but I feel it won’t be long before all the smaller ship are gone in the P&O fleet. As it hits far more profitable to run newer bigger ships. And Carnival will most likely have just one or two brands using smaller ships at a much higher price. I do like the bigger ships but it a shame in a way as it nice to have the choice of ship sizes, but I always found the service better on smaller ship and they can get into places the big ship can’t go. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkshirephil Posted February 11, 2023 #164 Share Posted February 11, 2023 1 hour ago, jamiebarnzy said: I always found the service better on smaller ship and they can get into places the big ship can’t go. There lies the problem with big ships, not only can they not get into some smaller ports they are now being refused into some of the bigger ports due to size and passenger restrictions. It is fine for some holidays where the ship is the destination but not so good for people where the itinerary is important. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiebarnzy Posted February 11, 2023 #165 Share Posted February 11, 2023 25 minutes ago, yorkshirephil said: There lies the problem with big ships, not only can they not get into some smaller ports they are now being refused into some of the bigger ports due to size and passenger restrictions. It is fine for some holidays where the ship is the destination but not so good for people where the itinerary is important. I feel that the realty will be that small ship with the service and being able to go into smaller less busy with other cruise ships along with the little touch which people misses on P&O and other lines or is now pay extra will be still be around but they reserve for the luxury and premium end of the market at much higher cost then what P&O charges and main stream cruise lines will all be bigger ships. Or we see more ship within a ship like grill class on Curand to justify the higher prices for suite. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tring Posted February 11, 2023 Author #166 Share Posted February 11, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, yorkshirephil said: There lies the problem with big ships, not only can they not get into some smaller ports they are now being refused into some of the bigger ports due to size and passenger restrictions. It is fine for some holidays where the ship is the destination but not so good for people where the itinerary is important. I have said for a while that this cruising bubble will come to an end, is this the begining of the end which the cruise lines have brought upon themselves? Perhaps another whole thread there, but must admit I am not particularly bothered given the chsnges. It is very understandable that ports are wanting to restrict cruise passengers, given the effect cruising is having in quite a number of places. The "luxury ships", which all seem to be about 60,000 ton, are big compared to what we have mainly travelled on pre pandemic. Two of those in the same port is still a whole load of people and many of the itineraries are still fairly "run of the mill" for those of us who have been cruising for a while. It is probably only the expedition ships that will continue to go to really less well trodden places, and even then the environmental restrictions are increasing all the time and I understand quite a number of those ships are currently being built, so what happens with them in a few years? Edited February 11, 2023 by tring 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flocat Posted February 11, 2023 #167 Share Posted February 11, 2023 Not sure how accurate this is, but I just saw on YouTube that Aurora isn't being sold and will have a major refit in 2025. As I say not sure how accurate this is but let's hope it's correct! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack McGowan Posted February 11, 2023 #168 Share Posted February 11, 2023 I’d like to see another Royal class come over from Princess, but can’t see it being likely. If anything I guess they may transfer a grand class in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted February 11, 2023 #169 Share Posted February 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Jack McGowan said: I’d like to see another Royal class come over from Princess, but can’t see it being likely. If anything I guess they may transfer a grand class in the future. It's interesting to read that P&O Australia will be adding water slides to the two Grand class ships they are receiving from Princess. I still think that with Arvia doing the Catibbean in winter and the Med in summer that P&O have missed a trick with her build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulatsea Posted February 12, 2023 #170 Share Posted February 12, 2023 10 hours ago, Flocat said: Not sure how accurate this is, but I just saw on YouTube that Aurora isn't being sold and will have a major refit in 2025. As I say not sure how accurate this is but let's hope it's correct! Wow - I hope so 🤞 which YouTube channel ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Hill Posted February 12, 2023 #171 Share Posted February 12, 2023 With the IMO tightening emissions from 2025 reducing the sulphur content of fuel down to 0.1% for ships in the Med, wonder how much this will affect the running of the older ships in the P&O & othered fleets. At a guess very low sulphur fuel is much more expensive than what is currently in use? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tring Posted February 12, 2023 Author #172 Share Posted February 12, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Snow Hill said: With the IMO tightening emissions from 2025 reducing the sulphur content of fuel down to 0.1% for ships in the Med, wonder how much this will affect the running of the older ships in the P&O & othered fleets. At a guess very low sulphur fuel is much more expensive than what is currently in use? That is interesting, new information to me, but not surprised. Edited February 12, 2023 by tring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Hill Posted February 12, 2023 #173 Share Posted February 12, 2023 Just now, tring said: That is interesting, new information to me, but not surprised. Is it an EU requirement? No an IMO requirement, which the EU and other non EU in the Med will be putting in place by May 2025. https://www.imo.org/en/MediaCentre/PressBriefings/pages/MEPC-79.aspx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tring Posted February 12, 2023 Author #174 Share Posted February 12, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Snow Hill said: No an IMO requirement, which the EU and other non EU in the Med will be putting in place by May 2025. https://www.imo.org/en/MediaCentre/PressBriefings/pages/MEPC-79.aspx Just re-read your post and realised you said IMO, which I did not recognise at first, but DH did. Hence edited my post to remove the question, but you kindly beat me to it - thanks for the link. Edited February 12, 2023 by tring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tring Posted February 12, 2023 Author #175 Share Posted February 12, 2023 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Snow Hill said: No an IMO requirement, which the EU and other non EU in the Med will be putting in place by May 2025. https://www.imo.org/en/MediaCentre/PressBriefings/pages/MEPC-79.aspx There is a 4 minute video explaining the changes and their expected effect, which can be clicked through to from the underlined words "cleaner air" in the article link to above. NIce and simple with pretty pictures, so my sort of thing 🙂 If I am understanding your link correctly, similar (possibly the same) controls are already effective, or being applied to other areas - "the Baltic Sea area; the North Sea area; the North American area (covering designated coastal areas off the United States and Canada); and the United States Caribbean Sea area (around Puerto Rico and the United States Virgin Islands)." There is a 4 minute video explaining the changes and their expected effect, which can be clicked through to from the underlined words "cleaner air" in the article link to above. NIce and simple with pretty pictures, so my sort of thing 🙂 Edited February 12, 2023 by tring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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