Rare TMaine Posted October 7, 2023 #1 Share Posted October 7, 2023 I just heard that tips are no longer included in "All Included"... so I guess it's not ALL included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Georgia_Peaches Posted October 7, 2023 #2 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Correct. You will now pay tips using your obc or prepay them before you board. This applies to bookings beginning in October forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare CruiseMrB Posted October 7, 2023 #3 Share Posted October 7, 2023 (edited) Wasn't that kind of the point of these AI fares? Wow. Cruise lines keep moving this around so that there is always one more thing, whatever it is. They learned well from the airlines. It seems that once people have made the commitment to go and see a price which they think might be complete, the additional fees don't have the rational impact they should. The only alternative cruisers have is to not accept the change or addition and forgo the entire cruise. Not many are willing to do that over $14 to $20 per day per person. We grumble, but we pay. Until we stop. Which may be coming. Edited October 7, 2023 by CruiseMrB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deliver42 Posted October 7, 2023 #4 Share Posted October 7, 2023 If you book as part of a recognized group through a TA, you have until 10/30 to get the AI including tips. I just did that for a 2025 cruise on the Ascent. Sorry, can't mention the TA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTShaker Posted October 7, 2023 #5 Share Posted October 7, 2023 1 hour ago, TMaine said: I just heard that tips are no longer included in "All Included"... so I guess it's not ALL included. According to their logic, that is to enhance your cruise experience, just like any and all changes they make. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jelayne Posted October 7, 2023 #6 Share Posted October 7, 2023 35 minutes ago, RTShaker said: According to their logic, that is to enhance your cruise experience, just like any and all changes they make. I’m sure seeing gratuity added to my onboard account every day will definitely enhance our cruise experience😉 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandgeezer Posted October 7, 2023 #7 Share Posted October 7, 2023 3 hours ago, TMaine said: I just heard that tips are no longer included in "All Included"... so I guess it's not ALL included. It’s not All Included, it’s Always Included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baynanno1 Posted October 7, 2023 #8 Share Posted October 7, 2023 59 minutes ago, grandgeezer said: It’s not All Included, it’s Always Included. . . . . until it isn't included any more! 🤔 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordylad Posted October 7, 2023 #9 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Celebrity give you OBC for you to hand it back for tips......LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruise a holic Posted October 7, 2023 #10 Share Posted October 7, 2023 (edited) It is amazing! Soon we will pay for all food and entertainment. The mission for these cruise lines is to increase profits. Shame! Royal has made cococay a money pit! Edited October 7, 2023 by Cruise a holic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkE Posted October 7, 2023 #11 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Tips not included will only cause the staff problems as some will leave nothing as a tip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordylad Posted October 7, 2023 #12 Share Posted October 7, 2023 as long as they are deducted from your account daily the staff should be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguins Posted October 7, 2023 #13 Share Posted October 7, 2023 1 hour ago, MarkE said: Tips not included will only cause the staff problems as some will leave nothing as a tip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguins Posted October 7, 2023 #14 Share Posted October 7, 2023 1 hour ago, MarkE said: Tips not included will only cause the staff problems as some will leave nothing as a tip. No real change. If you do nothing tips will still be charged daily to your onboard account - which will help passengers with large OBCs Or you can prepay. Anyone who previously had the tips removed will continue to do so. Personally I would like to see a base price that included port charges, taxes and tips (with no possibility of tips being removed). 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkE Posted October 7, 2023 #15 Share Posted October 7, 2023 I agree but that makes too much sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Airbalancer Posted October 7, 2023 #16 Share Posted October 7, 2023 1 hour ago, the penguins said: No real change. If you do nothing tips will still be charged daily to your onboard account - which will help passengers with large OBCs Or you can prepay. Anyone who previously had the tips removed will continue to do so. Personally I would like to see a base price that included port charges, taxes and tips (with no possibility of tips being removed). In Canada taxes and port fees have to be included in the base price , service charge should also be included in the base price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremiah1212 Posted October 7, 2023 #17 Share Posted October 7, 2023 12 hours ago, deliver42 said: If you book as part of a recognized group through a TA, you have until 10/30 to get the AI including tips. I just did that for a 2025 cruise on the Ascent. Sorry, can't mention the TA That’s only for cruises with a 2025 sail date. Groups with a 2024 sail date will continue to have grats included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare binro01 Posted October 7, 2023 #18 Share Posted October 7, 2023 12 hours ago, deliver42 said: If you book as part of a recognized group through a TA, you have until 10/30 to get the AI including tips. I just did that for a 2025 cruise on the Ascent. Sorry, can't mention the TA That is for 2025 cruises only. 2024 group rates from TAs are protected with tips and have no drop dead date to purchase to have tips included, which is nice for 2024 cruises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare binro01 Posted October 7, 2023 #19 Share Posted October 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jeremiah1212 said: That’s only for cruises with a 2025 sail date. Groups with a 2024 sail date will continue to have grats included. pinch poke you owe me a coke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguins Posted October 7, 2023 #20 Share Posted October 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ex-Airbalancer said: In Canada taxes and port fees have to be included in the base price , service charge should also be included in the base price Same in U.K. and Europe - basically anything that is not optional must be included. In New Zealand and Australia X goes further and includes the tips although it promotes it as “tips not required” which prevents them being removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_T Posted October 7, 2023 #21 Share Posted October 7, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, the penguins said: Same in U.K. and Europe - basically anything that is not optional must be included. You are not wrong, but in this case they are presenting the tips as 'optional' so they are not included, a booking on the UK site makes it clear that the 'optional' tips will be charged separately and gives you the option to pre-pay when making the booking.... ... so I would expect that the staff are going to notice this change.... Edited October 7, 2023 by Mark_T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTShaker Posted October 7, 2023 #22 Share Posted October 7, 2023 51 minutes ago, Ex-Airbalancer said: In Canada taxes and port fees have to be included in the base price , service charge should also be included in the base price I have never seen them included. There has always been a separate line item for port fees for any I have booked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandgeezer Posted October 7, 2023 #23 Share Posted October 7, 2023 10 hours ago, Baynanno1 said: . . . . until it isn't included any more! 🤔 You actually seemed surprised that they would do something like that. There is absolutely nothing they could possibly do to squeeze more money out of their customer’s pockets, that would surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahasamatman Posted October 7, 2023 #24 Share Posted October 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Ex-Airbalancer said: In Canada taxes and port fees have to be included in the base price , service charge should also be included in the base price Gratuities are not taxes, port fees, or service charges and never have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguins Posted October 7, 2023 #25 Share Posted October 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Mark_T said: You are not wrong, but in this case they are presenting the tips as 'optional' so they are not included, a booking on the UK site makes it clear that the 'optional' tips will be charged separately and gives you the option to pre-pay when making the booking.... ... so I would expect that the staff are going to notice this change.... That’s exactly as it’s always been. Whilst it’s promoted as “optional” if you choose not to pre pay it will simply be added to your onboard account every day and you will have to be proactive to have them removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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