Poll..... Should kids be allowed in the Haven at all?

[jill5172]

Posts like this really irk me. We have stayed in the Haven about 5 times and each time with my now 9 year old daughter. There has not been one vacation that we have been on that we encountered rowdy kids in the Haven. Yes they maybe having fun in the pool or eating lunch or getting cookies, but never have I seen it a free for all. Half the rooms in the Haven are 2 bedroom FAMILY Suites. Is it fair to limit half the customers that purchased the Haven because occasionally there is a problem?

 

What I did experience was a bunch of adults and seniors thinking they owned the boat because they paid for a suite. Being rude, loud, cursing and obnoxious. Can we look to have those people only go at designated times?

 

I imagine that between the hours of 6 PM and 6 AM, there are significantly fewer kids. I suggest all of these crabby folks take advantage and use the Haven courtyard during those hours.

 

Or, if the Haven pool closes during those hours, and you really want to have an environment free of kids, then choose Vibe or Spice H2).

 

If those are too loud for you due to boozed up adults, try the thermal pass to the spa. There, you'll find an 18+ pool, spas, and most definitely quiet.

 

If that isn't good enough, choose a cruise line that does not allow children - they are absolutely out there. Then you can complain on those liners' boards about 1) how boring it is and 2) how expensive it is and 3) how much you missed the mass-market lines.

 

As for me, I'll be enjoying the Haven with my 7-yo twin boys (who I wouldn't DREAM of leaving alone around water without supervision). One of them might frequent the candy jars. The other one won't, but he might sing at the top of his lungs (and I will probably be recording him on my phone because he's adorable). I'll be the one on the lounger, probably with a book I'll never get the chance to read, but a drink that I'll definitely attend to along with my little dudes.

[Starflyr3]

jewelmick that is probably what it is going to take for the "they are only being kids" cheerleaders to change their tune. The kid trying to jump from the second floor into the pool would have been a airlift off the boat for sure. Didn't an adult on another cruise line try that a year or to ago and not make it?

 

The attendant and concierge not saying anything blows my mind. Because it is dangerous, not just kids having fun.

 

As one of the "kids will be kids" cheerleaders, as I suppose I must be, I, amazingly, ALSO dont agree with the kids being unsupervised/dangerous/stupid.

 

The people who get me upset are the ones who think that my kids shouldnt be allowed in the Haven at all, except in the room. That defeats the entire purpose of being IN the Haven. One of them absolutely HATES the kids club (the 8 year old), so he will be with us all. the. time. I will NOT go to the main pool deck to sunburn while hurting my feet standing by the pool supervising him, nor will (or should!) he stay in the room the entire vacation.

 

why cant there be in betweens? I mean, honestly.

 

And I didnt vote in the poll due to it's one-sided slant. My vote would be YES, kids should be allowed in the Haven. Period. The rest of the snark about supervision (which, DUH) was unnecessary and inflammatory.

[suesings]

On our E Med trip in July 99% of the kids were polite and well behaved.

The only exception was one family with 4 kids (2 boys and 2 girls, ages 8-12ish) when they were ALWAYS in the Haven pool most of the time unsupervised.

When their parents weren't around they ran around...played tag on the wet pool deck, jumping from the side of the hot tub into the pool...I finally said something to them, and they did stop, at least while I was around. The pool attendant nor the consierge (who could clearly see them from his desk) ever said a thing...all it would have taken was a wet spot and slip to crack a head open.

 

 

Probably the same parents who let their kids scream and/or run around in restaurants without any care of the other patrons. They wouldn't think of removing them from the restaurant and getting them settled down. They assume everyone doesn't teach their children manners so they could care less.

[skiwee]

I imagine that between the hours of 6 PM and 6 AM, there are significantly fewer kids. I suggest all of these crabby folks take advantage and use the Haven courtyard during those hours.

 

 

 

Or, if the Haven pool closes during those hours, and you really want to have an environment free of kids, then choose Vibe or Spice H2).

 

 

 

If those are too loud for you due to boozed up adults, try the thermal pass to the spa. There, you'll find an 18+ pool, spas, and most definitely quiet.

 

 

 

If that isn't good enough, choose a cruise line that does not allow children - they are absolutely out there. Then you can complain on those liners' boards about 1) how boring it is and 2) how expensive it is and 3) how much you missed the mass-market lines.

 

 

 

As for me, I'll be enjoying the Haven with my 7-yo twin boys (who I wouldn't DREAM of leaving alone around water without supervision). One of them might frequent the candy jars. The other one won't, but he might sing at the top of his lungs (and I will probably be recording him on my phone because he's adorable). I'll be the one on the lounger, probably with a book I'll never get the chance to read, but a drink that I'll definitely attend to along with my little dudes.

 

 

I don't mind kids anywhere, having 3 of my own, but I won't find your kid adorable singing at the top of his lungs. Kids laughing and having fun is fine. Singing as loud as you can? Obnoxious. What ship will you be on and when? Lol

[mscdivina2016]

As for me, I'll be enjoying the Haven with my 7-yo twin boys (who I wouldn't DREAM of leaving alone around water without supervision). One of them might frequent the candy jars. The other one won't, but he might sing at the top of his lungs (and I will probably be recording him on my phone because he's adorable). I'll be the one on the lounger, probably with a book I'll never get the chance to read, but a drink that I'll definitely attend to along with my little dudes.

 

And there we have it. The parent who only thinks of themselves.:rolleyes: Totally inconsiderate of all those around.

[sctexan]

The other one won't, but he might sing at the top of his lungs (and I will probably be recording him on my phone because he's adorable).

 

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but adorable is subjective. You might find your child singing at the top of his lungs cute, but most people won't. That is, frankly, obnoxious. Please don't allow your child to do this.

 

My son does so many things at home that I find so cute, but I would never allow him to do those things in public because they would be annoying. Leave singing at the top of your lungs at home.

 

 

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[mafig]

I don't mind kids anywhere, having 3 of my own, but I won't find your kid adorable singing at the top of his lungs. Kids laughing and having fun is fine. Singing as loud as you can? Obnoxious. What ship will you be on and when? Lol

 

 

Probably while this kid is singing at the top of his lungs and his father is recording this "adorable" kid, the parent will also look around at the other guests with that smile that says "isn't he precious." Don't expect a smile back from me.:(

[NLH Arizona]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but adorable is subjective. You might find your child singing at the top of his lungs cute, but most people won't. That is, frankly, obnoxious. Please don't allow your child to do this.

 

My son does so many things at home that I find so cute, but I would never allow him to do those things in public because they would be annoying. Leave singing at the top of your lungs at home.

 

 

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I agree I would not find a child singing at the top of their lungs across the pool as amusing or cute and that is where the issue lies. Some of the things parents think are adorable, many feel are obnoxious. A parent has to be concerned with others around them in public and how their child's behavior would affect them, whereas at home, the child can do anything they want.

 

I was in Cagney's one evening and this cute little girl about 4 or 5 kept saying mommy, mommy and it got louder and louder, because the mother was too interested in the conversation with the other lady at the table to ask the little girl what she wanted. I felt so sorry for the little girl who just wanted to be acknowledged and be part of the conversation that I almost turned my chair around to speak with her. A couple of nights later, the mother was in the casino playing blackjack and was yelling at the top of her lung trying to get everyone's attention, I then figured out why the child kept getting louder and louder and louder and that she learned this behavior from her mother.

[richstowe]

I sooo love this thread with child haters , thoughtless useless parents and everyone in between . :)

 

 

I agree I would not find a child singing at the top of their lungs across the pool as amusing or cute and that is where the issue lies. Some of the things parents think are adorable, many feel are obnoxious. A parent has to be concerned with others around them in public and how their child's behavior would affect them, whereas at home, the child can do anything they want.

This is where the problem starts .

I'm sure this is not what you meant (and I apologize) but the problem of

entitled selfish children and parents starts at home .

[NLH Arizona]

I sooo love this thread with child haters , thoughtless useless parents and everyone in between . :)

 

 

This is where the problem starts .

I'm sure this is not what you meant (and I apologize) but the problem of

entitled selfish children and parents starts at home .

My point was, I really could care less what a child does in their own home, as that is between them and their parents and is really none of my business, but they should at least be taught how to act in public.

 

When I was a child, back in the dinosaur days, we were taught how to act in public. Going to a restaurant, we sat in our chairs and had normal table volume conversations with our parents. If we acted up or got too loud, not only the one that acted up, but the entire family got up and left the restaurant. My dad then explained proper behavior to us again on the way home and we learned really fast, that bad behavior would not be tolerated.

[kchiumento]

And there we have it. The parent who only thinks of themselves.:rolleyes: Totally inconsiderate of all those around.

 

 

And there WE have it. The poster that cannot take a comment as "tongue and cheek". There are so many judgey people here.

 

I will be in that Haven next week with my 3 children. But we will be spending most of our time on the water slides. It sounds like most of you are of the mindset that any child that speaks above a whisper has awful inconsiderate parents that only think of themselves. Remember you booked a cruise with a WATERPARK. Who goes to water parks? Mostly families with children. Do you also complain when the water is too wet or the sand it too sandy? If you want a cruise with no kids avoid the cruise lines that cater and market to families, especially during the summer break, Christmas break and spring break. Kids can be bratty, even the most well raised child with the most attentive parents can be a complete jerk. That is why they are not considered adults. If you don't want to waste your money do everyone a favor and don't cruise the lines that have the things that attract kids.

 

Can we start another thread that asks "Should entitled, inconsiderate, doesn't-know-how-to-have-fun adults be allowed in the Haven"? No I think not. This horse has been beaten to death.

 

 

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[Shawnino]

I don't mind children, but I could never eat a whole one.

 

Good to know that I needn't consider booking the so-called-Haven under the current terms.

[FM]

Wow ... this thread is still active ... I keep checking the NCL boards so I can decide which of the three cruise itineraries I should finalize for our trip next year, one of which is a B2B aboard the RCL Anthem / NCL Breakaway Haven. The Haven sounds like a great experience ... less so with the observations of "unruly behavior" ... but I figure if we can enjoy our last three cruises aboard the Disney Fantasy, then the Haven should be no problem ... right?

 

You'll always run into people on holidays, land or sea, where they are of the "sun revolves around the earth" mentality ... i.e. "it's my holiday, my family, my kids" so --- the torpedoes and everyone else and we'll enjoy our holiday our way without any consideration of other's ...

 

So you'll never win an argument with them with any logic or sound reasoning or common sense ... maybe NCL can consider a Haven within the Haven ... lol ... ;)

[suesings]

And there WE have it. The poster that cannot take a comment as "tongue and cheek". There are so many judgey people here.

 

I will be in that Haven next week with my 3 children. But we will be spending most of our time on the water slides. It sounds like most of you are of the mindset that any child that speaks above a whisper has awful inconsiderate parents that only think of themselves. Remember you booked a cruise with a WATERPARK. Who goes to water parks? Mostly families with children. Do you also complain when the water is too wet or the sand it too sandy? If you want a cruise with no kids avoid the cruise lines that cater and market to families, especially during the summer break, Christmas break and spring break. Kids can be bratty, even the most well raised child with the most attentive parents can be a complete jerk. That is why they are not considered adults. If you don't want to waste your money do everyone a favor and don't cruise the lines that have the things that attract kids.

 

Can we start another thread that asks "Should entitled, inconsiderate, doesn't-know-how-to-have-fun adults be allowed in the Haven"? No I think not. This horse has been beaten to death.

 

 

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I do not recall ANYONE saying kids could not laugh and play and be loud on the waterslides?? This conversation is about the Haven area and being respectful of one another. A kid laughing and swimming in the pool is great. A kid singing at the top of his lungs with no regard for other people who paid to enjoy the same "small" space is just ridiculous. I am a parent and I would NEVER sit back and let my kid annoy and disrespect everyone around them. It amazes me how some parents think their children have the right to do anything they damn well please?

 

The people who just don't like kids and think they should be silent are ridiculous AS ARE the parents who think their loud, running, throwing, disrespectful kids are adorable. Both are way too extreme.

 

Kids in the Haven are fine, just keep a look out for your kid (just as you should anywhere) and correct them when they are being too loud, running, throwing stuff, dumping orange juice in the hot tub, etc... Parenting is work. It is much easier to be lazy and let them be disrespectful little brats. But our job is to try our best to raise these little ones into caring, respectful adults. It is work for sure.

Edited August 27, 2016 by suesings

[suesings]

Wow ... this thread is still active ... I keep checking the NCL boards so I can decide which of the three cruise itineraries I should finalize for our trip next year, one of which is a B2B aboard the RCL Anthem / NCL Breakaway Haven. The Haven sounds like a great experience ... less so with the observations of "unruly behavior" ... but I figure if we can enjoy our last three cruises aboard the Disney Fantasy, then the Haven should be no problem ... right?

 

You'll always run into people on holidays, land or sea, where they are of the "sun revolves around the earth" mentality ... i.e. "it's my holiday, my family, my kids" so --- the torpedoes and everyone else and we'll enjoy our holiday our way without any consideration of other's ...

 

So you'll never win an argument with them with any logic or sound reasoning or common sense ... maybe NCL can consider a Haven within the Haven ... lol ... ;)

 

:D:D:D Agreed

[NLH Arizona]

I do not recall ANYONE saying kids could not laugh and play and be loud on the waterslides?? This conversation is about the Haven area and being respectful of one another. A kid laughing and swimming in the pool is great. A kid singing at the top of his lungs with no regard for other people who paid to enjoy the same "small" space is just ridiculous. I am a parent and I would NEVER sit back and let my kid annoy and disrespect everyone around them. It amazes me how some parents think their children have the right to do anything they damn well please?

 

The people who just don't like kids and think they should be silent are ridiculous AS ARE the parents who think their loud, running, throwing, disrespectful kids are adorable. Both are way too extreme.

 

Kids in the Haven are fine, just keep a look out for your kid (just as you should anywhere) and correct them when they are being too loud, running, throwing stuff, dumping orange juice in the hot tub, etc... Parenting is work. It is much easier to be lazy and let them be disrespectful little brats. But our job is to try our best to raise these little ones into caring, respectful adults. It is work for sure.

Very well said, suesings. I think you said what the majority on this thread have been saying.

[suesings]

Probably while this kid is singing at the top of his lungs and his father is recording this "adorable" kid, the parent will also look around at the other guests with that smile that says "isn't he precious." Don't expect a smile back from me.:(

 

This made me laugh out loud!!:D:D:D

[Two Wheels Only]

And there WE have it. The poster that cannot take a comment as "tongue and cheek". There are so many judgey people here.

 

By claiming that someone "cannot take a comment...", aren't you judging them?

 

It sounds like most of you are of the mindset that any child that speaks above a whisper has awful inconsiderate parents that only think of themselves.

There is a HUGE area between "above a whisper..." and "sing at the top of his lungs..."

 

Kids can be bratty, even the most well raised child with the most attentive parents can be a complete jerk. That is why they are not considered adults.

But the parents should be considered as adults who should understand the meaning of consideration of others.

 

Can we start another thread that asks "Should entitled, inconsiderate, doesn't-know-how-to-have-fun adults be allowed in the Haven"? No I think not. This horse has been beaten to death.

You can start a new thread with that exact title if you'd like. There is nothing stopping you just as there is nothing forcing you to read and post in this thread.

 

Isn't it "judgey" to decide if a topic has been "beaten to death"? :rolleyes:

[FM]

I do not recall ANYONE saying kids could not laugh and play and be loud on the waterslides?? This conversation is about the Haven area and being respectful of one another. A kid laughing and swimming in the pool is great. A kid singing at the top of his lungs with no regard for other people who paid to enjoy the same "small" space is just ridiculous. I am a parent and I would NEVER sit back and let my kid annoy and disrespect everyone around them. It amazes me how some parents think their children have the right to do anything they damn well please?

 

The people who just don't like kids and think they should be silent are ridiculous AS ARE the parents who think their loud, running, throwing, disrespectful kids are adorable. Both are way too extreme.

 

Kids in the Haven are fine, just keep a look out for your kid (just as you should anywhere) and correct them when they are being too loud, running, throwing stuff, dumping orange juice in the hot tub, etc... Parenting is work. It is much easier to be lazy and let them be disrespectful little brats. But our job is to try our best to raise these little ones into caring, respectful adults. It is work for sure.

 

Thumbs up! ;)

[Casino Comp Chick]

Yes kids should be allowed and no, not with any of the "suggested" criteria in your poll.

I bet my niece and nephews have more class & common sense then......well let's just say the people commenting in this thread.

Kind of ironic my friend just reported from the Spirit a bunch of 20 somethings were wrecking havoc on the ship this week.

Guess what they did? They jumped into the pool from the deck above & broke the cigar bar door and this thread is complaining about children.

SMDHATS

[sjnyc323]

Kids should be allowed and parents should watch their kids and make sure they behave and not run wild like animals.

 

 

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[disneygirl10]

I do not recall ANYONE saying kids could not laugh and play and be loud on the waterslides?? This conversation is about the Haven area and being respectful of one another. A kid laughing and swimming in the pool is great. A kid singing at the top of his lungs with no regard for other people who paid to enjoy the same "small" space is just ridiculous. I am a parent and I would NEVER sit back and let my kid annoy and disrespect everyone around them. It amazes me how some parents think their children have the right to do anything they damn well please?

 

The people who just don't like kids and think they should be silent are ridiculous AS ARE the parents who think their loud, running, throwing, disrespectful kids are adorable. Both are way too extreme.

 

Kids in the Haven are fine, just keep a look out for your kid (just as you should anywhere) and correct them when they are being too loud, running, throwing stuff, dumping orange juice in the hot tub, etc... Parenting is work. It is much easier to be lazy and let them be disrespectful little brats. But our job is to try our best to raise these little ones into caring, respectful adults. It is work for sure.

 

I guess what I'm wondering is, for the people who say they will not cruise in the Haven because of these stories, Would you go on a cruise period if you heard of a kid pouring his orange juice into the hot tub? Or running around yelling? ....Or maybe realize that sometimes obnoxious kids/obnoxious parents could be anywhere, but it probably isn't the norm?

[mscdivina2016]

Yes kids should be allowed and no, not with any of the "suggested" criteria in your poll.

I bet my niece and nephews have more class & common sense then......well let's just say the people commenting in this thread.

Kind of ironic my friend just reported from the Spirit a bunch of 20 somethings were wrecking havoc on the ship this week.

Guess what they did? They jumped into the pool from the deck above & broke the cigar bar door and this thread is complaining about children.

SMDHATS

 

So you think the rules don't apply to your niece and nephew?

NCL clearly states children are to be supervised at all times which is answer 2 in this poll.

In your post #33 in this thread you stated.......It is skewed because not every child needs to be supervised, some adults do though.......

 

Can you show me where in the policies stated by NCL themselves that does not apply?

[mafig]

Yes kids should be allowed and no, not with any of the "suggested" criteria in your poll.

I bet my niece and nephews have more class & common sense then......well let's just say the people commenting in this thread.

Kind of ironic my friend just reported from the Spirit a bunch of 20 somethings were wrecking havoc on the ship this week.

Guess what they did? They jumped into the pool from the deck above & broke the cigar bar door and this thread is complaining about children.

SMDHATS

 

Do you think this was the 20 somethings first cruise?

Ten years ago these big monsters were just like the little monsters we've been reading about on these previous threads.

Wonder if those parents still think their "kids" are adorable.:rolleyes:

[legaljen1969]

all well behaved and respectful humans of any age should be allowed.

 

any rude or inconsiderate humans should be removed with a giant robotic arm and put in the main pool area :)

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Better yet, how about if the robotic arm tosses the inconsiderate people overboard once it has scooped them up!

 

I am of the opinion shared by many others. Age has nothing to do with it. Ill mannered people and poorly behaved people of all ages make cruising unpleasant for the rest of us who seek peace on the open seas. I don't care if you are old or young, if you can't behave like a civilized human being- the rest of the world should not have to suffer for your behavior.

 

As long as someone is willing to pay to stay in the Haven and there are no restrictions- it is irrelevant whether children ARE or SHOULD BE allowed there. I have never seen anything suggesting that the area was meant only for adults. If you are willing to pay the price, then that's fine.

 

If children are that big of a burden, then cruise on a line without them. Don't expect a mass market line like NCL to turn away children because you feel like you cannot tolerate them.

 

Remember, there is no way to continue the human race without children. Just saying! Frankly, children offer new hope that this crazy world can make progress toward being a more peaceful place.