Diamond Princess passenger "tested positive for Wuhan coronavirus"

[Farts]

1 hour ago, glam mistress said:

Here is some tragic news - two DP passengers have died. 

 

 

😞

[Farts]

What is the total death count outside of china now? Did it double to four with the DP pax? 😞

[Cruising Is Bliss]

21 hours ago, Pushka said:

I imagine they are just finding accommodation in Tokyo and sorting out flights home. They may not be aware of the restrictions? Seems crazy to me. 

 

Mathew Smith tweeted today they're negative and free to go wherever they want in Japan.  He posted an image of the document. They plan to spend the next two weeks vacationing in Japan.

As of now, US has not changed prior instructions to the people who stayed on the ship and skipped the evacuation flight. If they now test negative, they have to stay in Japan another 14 days and then be retested.  If still negative they can then return to the US with no restrictions.

[Cindy]

1 hour ago, glam mistress said:

Here is some tragic news - two DP passengers have died. 

 

 

That is terrible news.😢

[cruiserchuck]

Here is a link to an earlier letter that said they would be required to wait 14 days without symptoms and positive test results.  I understood this to mean they would have to take another test before they fly home.    

 

https://japan2.usembassy.gov/pdfs/alert-20200216-diamond-princess.pdf

 

 

Edited February 20, 2020 by cruiserchuck

[icat2000]

Very sorry to hear about the deaths of the two passengers on the Diamond Princess. My thoughts are with their family and friends during this time. 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8023149/Two-passengers-die-coronavirus-doomed-cruise-ship-Diamond-Princess.html

Edited February 20, 2020 by icat2000

[ceilidh1]

Carl Goldman from KHTS Radio has updated his blog. An interesting comment:

"I am fine. My fever broke yesterday. It came back for a few hours overnight with a 100.7 reading. I am told the 14-day quarantine meter starts all over again each time I have a fever. If that is true, I am back to Day 1. "

 

https://www.hometownstation.com/santa-clarita-news/editorials/santa-clarita-resident-battles-coronavirus-after-diamond-princess-cruise-part-8-313501

[NorthwestCruiser]

Unfortunately two passengers have died (both of Japanese descent.)   RIP brave voyagers, calm seas and safe harbors.

[Cruising Is Bliss]

2 hours ago, Cruising Is Bliss said:

 

Yes. WHO is listing category OTHER with all cases specified "international convenience" Diamond Princess.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

"international conveyance"

#$%^& autocorrect strikes again.

[JennAngel9]

Even after the two tragic deaths today and the warnings of infectious disease specialists and state departments everywhere, Japan has allowed another set of passengers who tested negative off the ship with (as best I can tell) complete freedom in the last hour.  

 

So the gamble of rejecting US emergency rescue may have paid off for these passengers--- or they be trapped in the new Coronavirus ground zero in 10-15 days.

 

I hope I am wrong and wildly pessimistic, but I don't understand how any leader could come to the conclusion that these unknown huge risks are worth avoiding the relatively small cost of at least clearing a couple hotels and asking people to stay inside another 14 days.

Edited February 20, 2020 by JennAngel9

[AlyssaJames]

1 hour ago, NSWP said:

'Diamond David Abel of FB fame, broadcasting from his cabin. He knows what is going on and facilities where they are going.

This article describes it as “specialist facilities six hours away”, not a “hostel”.

 

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2020-02-19/northampton-couple-to-leave-coronavirus-ship-on-thursday/

[Cruising Is Bliss]

WHO appears to be posting one update each day.  Latest is Situation Report #30 for Feb 19th.

 

Worldometers OTOH appears to be updating in real time because they already show the two Diamond Princess deaths.

 

The ship total is 621 who tested positive.

Current status is 2 deaths.

Still serious/critical is 26.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

TOTAL DEATHS  2,128

----------------------------------------

China  2,118

Diamond Princess   2

Japan  1

Hong Kong  2

Taiwan  1

France  1

Philippines  1  (out of just 3 cases!)

Iran  2

----------------------------------------

TOTAL DEATHS  2,128

 

 

Edited February 20, 2020 by Cruising Is Bliss

[AlyssaJames]

5 minutes ago, hal2008 said:

Letting people go from ship where test results are showing up positive even for people with absolutely no symptoms, to let them roam around unrestricted for few days and then when they reach Hong Kong, having to serve 14 days quarrantine at least shows some irrational decision making.

The people who have been released have all tested negative. 

[OzKiwiJJ]

Just now, AlyssaJames said:

The people who have been released have all tested negative. 

Yes, but there are some doubts as to how accurate the tests are, and also some doubt as to the length of the incubation period - there has been some concern that it might be longer than 14 days in some people.

[cruiserchuck]

8 minutes ago, OzKiwiJJ said:

Because it's been stated time and time again that the air to the cabins is fresh, and the only recirculation is within each specific cabin to allow passengers to set the temperature as desired. 

 

The air is partially recirculated, not all fresh.  Princess has confirmed this.  However, it has not been determined if this is spreading the virus.

Edited February 20, 2020 by cruiserchuck

[OzKiwiJJ]

2 minutes ago, cruiserchuck said:

 

The air is recirculated.  However, it has not been determined if this is spreading the virus.

From chengkp75, who posted this a few weeks ago:

"One of the main reason that the guests are quarantined in their cabins most of the day, is that the AC in cabins is not shared or recirculated.  There are two AC systems on the ship.  One takes outside air, cools it, and supplies it to the cabins, in a one way flow.  This fresh air supplied to the cabins is almost balanced by the bathroom exhaust which takes the air to the outside, in a one way flow.  The fresh air supply is slightly greater than the exhaust to keep the cabin at a slight positive pressure relative to the outside, and to the passageway outside the cabin.  The AC controlled by the cabin thermostat is air within the cabin, that is recirculated within the cabin, passing over the individual cabin's cooler."

[Germancruiser]

As I mentioned already. The purpose of the quarantaine was to keep the virus to spread into Japan- if that really worked- we will see! That the passengers of the Diamond Princess got infected did not come as a surprise- even David and Sally Abel´s postive test was no surprise- they sat with a postiv tested passenger for two weeks at the same table!

I fear we will hear from crewmembers who get testet positiv in the upcoming days, when the DP is free of passengers at last!

Terrible for the couple who died- I suppose they had health issues before hand!

[cruiserchuck]

4 minutes ago, OzKiwiJJ said:

From chengkp75, who posted this a few weeks ago:

"One of the main reason that the guests are quarantined in their cabins most of the day, is that the AC in cabins is not shared or recirculated.  There are two AC systems on the ship.  One takes outside air, cools it, and supplies it to the cabins, in a one way flow.  This fresh air supplied to the cabins is almost balanced by the bathroom exhaust which takes the air to the outside, in a one way flow.  The fresh air supply is slightly greater than the exhaust to keep the cabin at a slight positive pressure relative to the outside, and to the passageway outside the cabin.  The AC controlled by the cabin thermostat is air within the cabin, that is recirculated within the cabin, passing over the individual cabin's cooler."

 

He is incorrect.  See post 2497 a few pages back.

Edited February 20, 2020 by cruiserchuck

[JennAngel9]

2 minutes ago, slidebite said:

I think all passengers should be put back on the ship, and nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

 

Seriously, this is obviously somewhat unsettling and reports of people milling about are questionable, but internet hysteria is not helping matters. The Japanese government does not want the massive population of Yokohama infected anymore than the governments of Canada/US want North America metro areas to become infected. Take a deep breathe and lets see where this goes. We're not privy to special information on Cruise Critic which governments don't know.  Is it going to escape and take down the planet? Maybe it might... And nobody knows for sure, but one thing that is almost guaranteed is that nobody posting here is privy to some super-secret knowledge that others aren't. Posting links to infowars is not a legit citation I'm worrying about.

 

I'm not saying to trust the government carte blanche, it certainly doesn't deserve it, but government employees are not necessarily idiots, they're like me and you , with a ton of professionals,  and don't want to needlessly cause problems to themselves or families either.

Who is posting links to infowars? Most of us are sharing information from the New York Times, NPR and their foreign equivalents.  We don't need to be privy to special information-- 90% plus of the governments with passengers on board have stated that the quarantine failed for purposes of isolation and everyone would need to start over again when they arrived home from Evac: US, Australia, China, Canada... so the question is what do you think makes the Japanese authorities confident everyone else is wrong, including the only infectious disease doc (from one of their own top tier universities) to actually visit the ship?

[Renmar]

3 minutes ago, cruiserchuck said:

 

He is incorrect.

So what is the correct answer?

 

Theo

[OzKiwiJJ]

1 minute ago, cruiserchuck said:

 

He is incorrect.

Provide proof.

 

The VP of Princess stated over and over again that the air going to the cabins was fresh. Yes, in his first speech he did mention recirculated which is true, some of it is within each specific cabin otherwise all cabins would be the same temperature.

 

However many passengers with balconies left their balcony doors open. This apparently negates the slight overpressure allowing some air from the corridors to enter the cabin through the door vents. Another good reason not to leave your balcony door open!

[cruiserchuck]

1 minute ago, OzKiwiJJ said:

Provide proof.

 

The VP of Princess stated over and over again that the air going to the cabins was fresh. Yes, in his first speech he did mention recirculated which is true, some of it is within each specific cabin otherwise all cabins would be the same temperature.

 

However many passengers with balconies left their balcony doors open. This apparently negates the slight overpressure allowing some air from the corridors to enter the cabin through the door vents. Another good reason not to leave your balcony door open!

 

Look at post 2497.  

[OzKiwiJJ]

4 minutes ago, cruiserchuck said:

 

Look at post 2497.  

I did. That was the first video the VP did and it is accurate in that some air in cabins is recirculated through the in cabin cooler to allow the cabin temperature to be adjusted to suit. However in subsequent videos he reiterated the fresh air aspect, noting the the flow had been increased.

 

And personally I believe chengkp75's facts over your opinion.

Edited February 20, 2020 by OzKiwiJJ

[Aus Traveller]

16 minutes ago, cruiserchuck said:

 

The air is partially recirculated, not all fresh.  Princess has confirmed this.  However, it has not been determined if this is spreading the virus.

The Princess spokesman said the air in the cabins is partly fresh and partly recirculated, but he did NOT say that the re-circulated air comes from the rest of the ship. The Chief Engineer who posts on this forum said that the air comes into each cabin. Princess said that they increased the quantity of fresh air coming into the cabins.

 

However, if people had their balcony door open when they opened the door from the cabin to the hallway, they would get an inflow of air from the hallway. I don't know how many people left their balcony doors open for periods of time because it was very cold outdoors.

[Aus Traveller]

8 minutes ago, OzKiwiJJ said:

I did. That was the first video the VP did and it is accurate in that some air in cabins is recirculated through the in cabin cooler to allow the cabin temperature to be adjusted to suit. However in subsequent videos he reiterated the fresh air aspect, noting the the flow had been increased.

 

And personally I believe chengkp75's facts over your opinion.

I agree with OzKiwiJJ's understanding of what the Princess VP said. I listened very carefully because this topic had been discussed on this forum. The VP did not say that air was circulated from one cabin to another or between the cabins.