Maya1234 Posted February 7, 2020 #126 Share Posted February 7, 2020 “Please think about what you post and avoid over-hyping the situation. Do you have ANY idea what it must have been like on a real plague ship in medieval times? “ This remind me of the episode of The Office where Jim had to explain hyperbole to Michael. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennysUncle Posted February 7, 2020 #127 Share Posted February 7, 2020 As of 32 min ago, the Westerdam's AIS tracker has appeared on VesselFinder.com. Yesterday it had been loafing up from Ishigaki towards Okinawa, but now it is east of the southern end of Taiwan, heading southeast. That's a course consistent with heading for Hong Kong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Level six Posted February 7, 2020 #128 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Hong Kong is not accepting any cruise ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AncientWanderer Posted February 7, 2020 #129 Share Posted February 7, 2020 21 minutes ago, Maya1234 said: “Please think about what you post and avoid over-hyping the situation. Do you have ANY idea what it must have been like on a real plague ship in medieval times? “ This remind me of the episode of The Office where Jim had to explain hyperbole to Michael. Mary's post did have some hyperbole to it, but on the other hand, if I'm stuck on a ship where a communicable disease is spreading, unable to get off, I'd feel quite medieval. I just hope they get the treatment protocols figured out. It sounds like they are making headway with certain antivirals, HIV drugs, etc. Once this condition is figured out a bit more, it won't be so spooky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leerathje Posted February 7, 2020 #130 Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 minute ago, AncientWanderer said: Mary's post did have some hyperbole to it, but on the other hand, if I'm stuck on a ship where a communicable disease is spreading, unable to get off, I'd feel quite medieval. I just hope they get the treatment protocols figured out. It sounds like they are making headway with certain antivirals, HIV drugs, etc. Once this condition is figured out a bit more, it won't be so spooky. Please clarify what ship has a communicable disease on it? Because apparently it's not the Westerdam. And the Westerdam passengers have said so as well. L. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AncientWanderer Posted February 7, 2020 #131 Share Posted February 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, leerathje said: Please clarify what ship has a communicable disease on it? Because apparently it's not the Westerdam. And the Westerdam passengers have said so as well. L. Speaking hypothetically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAL4NOW Posted February 7, 2020 #132 Share Posted February 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, leerathje said: Please clarify what ship has a communicable disease on it? Because apparently it's not the Westerdam. And the Westerdam passengers have said so as well. L. The Diamond Princess? 61 cases so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare kazu Posted February 7, 2020 #133 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Holland America released a statement which CBC posted specifically stating no one on the Westerdam has coronavirus. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalay1903 Posted February 7, 2020 #134 Share Posted February 7, 2020 40 minutes ago, JennysUncle said: As of 32 min ago, the Westerdam's AIS tracker has appeared on VesselFinder.com. Yesterday it had been loafing up from Ishigaki towards Okinawa, but now it is east of the southern end of Taiwan, heading southeast. That's a course consistent with heading for Hong Kong. Thanks for the news, JennysUncle. Their heading could equally take them to Thailand or a number of other places. The good news is they're traveling fast, roughly 19 kn, which indicates that they have a solution for a port. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iancal Posted February 7, 2020 #135 Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) Westerdam and HAL have a very simple challenge. This situation is changing faster than HAL can make the next port...despite the 19 knots HAL, along with these passengers, are paying a high price for HAL’s lack of good judgement and their placement of profit above customer in this situation. I hope this gets resolved quickly. Edited February 7, 2020 by iancal 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Mary229 Posted February 7, 2020 #136 Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) There is not much difference. Fear and hysteria are carrying the day. There is no difference from others calling it a Pariah ship. Same difference. Sorry but it is shortsighted to think we cannot repeat the errors of our ancestors . No nagging please. Edited February 7, 2020 by Mary229 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrimp56 Posted February 7, 2020 #137 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Just now, Mary229 said: There is not much difference. Fear and hysteria are carrying the day. There is no difference from others calling it a Pariah ship. Same difference. Sorry but it is shortsighted to think we cannot repeat the errors of our ancestors . No nagging please If I were a passenger in an inside cabin on DiaPrin, breathing recirculated air and getting food delivered sporadically, I might be thinking along those lines. BTW have sailed on Diamond Princess around Japan in 2018. She's too big for us, but she is a beautiful ship, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Mary229 Posted February 7, 2020 #138 Share Posted February 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mary229 said: There is not much difference. Fear and hysteria are carrying the day. There is no difference from others calling it a Pariah ship. Same difference. Sorry but it is shortsighted to think we cannot repeat the errors of our ancestors . No nagging please. Further I will say that Maritime Law covers these situations and not that I know but my best guess is much of what is going on is outside of the realm of law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbarianPaul Posted February 7, 2020 #139 Share Posted February 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, kazu said: Holland America released a statement which CBC posted specifically stating no one on the Westerdam has coronavirus. Unless they’ve tested virtually everyone on board, Holland America can’t be sure, since the incubation period is two weeks, and eight hundred passengers were boarded only 6 days ago. And let’s not forget the other 600-700 back to back passengers from the previous cruise from Singapore who ventured off the ship on various excursions who might have been exposed in Hong Kong. It’s entirely possible almost any one of the 1455 passengers could have the virus but is currently asymptomatic. If Holland America’s statement had any credibility, why are they being refused debarkation virtually everywhere? This entire situation is a real black mark and, the longer it drags on, terrible publicity for Holland America. And what happens when they finally find a port of entry, but are told the ship must be quarantined for two weeks before anyone is allowed to debark? That’s the next shoe to drop. The unfortunate part is that the entire situation was completely avoidable if they had only sailed on to Manila from Vietnam and avoided Hong Kong, where they could have debarked and embarked passengers. Yes, of course that’s 20/20 hindsight, but it sure doesn’t seem to me that they had to be clairvoyant to figure out that the situation in Hong Kong was going to quickly get substantially worse, considering this was the beginning of the outbreak. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare kazu Posted February 7, 2020 #140 Share Posted February 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, BarbarianPaul said: If Holland America’s statement had any credibility, why are they being refused debarkation virtually everywhere? Just to clarify - They are being refused entry as Japan is not allowing any cruise ships in ports right now. There are other cruise ships scheduled to arrive and they have been warned that they will NOT be permitted to disembark at any Japanese port. The U.S. State Department appealed to the government of Japan and Japan stood firm. They have issued warnings that no ships will be allowed to disembark for now. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Mary229 Posted February 7, 2020 #141 Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, kazu said: Just to clarify - They are being refused entry as Japan is not allowing any cruise ships in ports right now. There are other cruise ships scheduled to arrive and they have been warned that they will NOT be permitted to disembark at any Japanese port. The U.S. State Department appealed to the government of Japan and Japan stood firm. They have issues warning that no ships will be allowed to disembark for now. Exactly, it seems to fall outside of law and civil conduct. Additionally if they are refusing safe harbor to large cruise lines, I have to believe they are also sending poor fishermen away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Drool Posted February 7, 2020 #142 Share Posted February 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, BarbarianPaul said: Unless they’ve tested virtually everyone on board, Holland America can’t be sure, since the incubation period is two weeks, and eight hundred passengers were boarded only 6 days ago. And let’s not forget the other 600-700 back to back passengers from the previous cruise from Singapore who ventured off the ship on various excursions who might have been exposed in Hong Kong. It’s entirely possible almost any one of the 1455 passengers could have the virus but is currently asymptomatic. Because the passengers are not quarantined in cabin, IF someone develops systems at day 10 then the whole 14 day clock starts again. I hope no one is ill on the ship and they can disembark on day 14 and fly home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare 3rdGenCunarder Posted February 7, 2020 #143 Share Posted February 7, 2020 15 minutes ago, BarbarianPaul said: Unless they’ve tested virtually everyone on board, Holland America can’t be sure, since the incubation period is two weeks, and eight hundred passengers were boarded only 6 days ago. And let’s not forget the other 600-700 back to back passengers from the previous cruise from Singapore who ventured off the ship on various excursions who might have been exposed in Hong Kong. It’s entirely possible almost any one of the 1455 passengers could have the virus but is currently asymptomatic. If Holland America’s statement had any credibility, why are they being refused debarkation virtually everywhere? This entire situation is a real black mark and, the longer it drags on, terrible publicity for Holland America. And what happens when they finally find a port of entry, but are told the ship must be quarantined for two weeks before anyone is allowed to debark? That’s the next shoe to drop. The unfortunate part is that the entire situation was completely avoidable if they had only sailed on to Manila from Vietnam and avoided Hong Kong, where they could have debarked and embarked passengers. Yes, of course that’s 20/20 hindsight, but it sure doesn’t seem to me that they had to be clairvoyant to figure out that the situation in Hong Kong was going to quickly get substantially worse, considering this was the beginning of the outbreak. Do we know that in-transit passengers were able to go off the ship? In the week since the Feb 2 cruise left, conditions have changed drastically. I don't think there's been an epidemic that has spread so quickly and caused so much alarm in my lifetime. SARS? I don't remember that situation changed so quickly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed01106 Posted February 7, 2020 #144 Share Posted February 7, 2020 50 minutes ago, Mandalay1903 said: The good news is they're traveling fast, roughly 19 kn, which indicates that they have a solution for a port. Or a port where local authorities haven’t banned them yet and they are racing to get there before the ban goes in effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Level six Posted February 7, 2020 #145 Share Posted February 7, 2020 The Westerdam stopped in HK on FEB 1. Passengers were let off the ship, as per our roll call. Some on board said about 200-300 people who had traveled in China in the last 14 days were not allowed on the ship. About 800 got on. I do not know if these are facts, but it is what was said on the roll call........way back then. The Ship left HK on FEB 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbarianPaul Posted February 7, 2020 #146 Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 minute ago, 3rdGenCunarder said: Do we know that in-transit passengers were able to go off the ship? In the week since the Feb 2 cruise left, conditions have changed drastically. I don't think there's been an epidemic that has spread so quickly and caused so much alarm in my lifetime. SARS? I don't remember that situation changed so quickly. Yes, I believe in transit passengers were sold excursions for Feb. 1. And yes, of course things changed drastically, but personally I don’t think it gets them off the hook for that stop in Hong Kong. They knew it was bad enough to eliminate the overnight, and they could have decided that an over abundance of caution was required, and eliminate the port entirely. But they didn’t. It would have been more expensive for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Level six Posted February 7, 2020 #147 Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, ed01106 said: Or a port where local authorities haven’t banned them yet and they are racing to get there before the ban goes in effect. I think it was stated somewhere that HCMC was still allowing ships to dock, maybe there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Vict0riann Posted February 7, 2020 #148 Share Posted February 7, 2020 What's HCMC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalay1903 Posted February 7, 2020 #149 Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) I just Googled it and it's either Hennepin County Medical Center, or Ho Chi Minh City... 😉 Edited February 7, 2020 by Mandalay1903 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare HappyInVan Posted February 7, 2020 #150 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Let keep cool and supportive of the crew and pax on the affected ships. The matter is in the hands of higher powers. We can only wait for the news. Let's avoid melodramatic descriptions of the vessels, which would surely draw the ire of the opinionated. Peace. The outbreak will be under control as governments are acting decisively. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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