Everyone Should have money back

[Trimone]

Well cruise friends, it’s over 100 days since any cruises were cancelled, so everybody should be solvent by NCL.

It is still in lockdown with no sign of getting moving again. Anyone that took the 125% cruise credit, now knows that prices with an element of doubt happening are very cheap, and ones next year are more expensive, so the 125% cruise credit doesn’t match like for like what you had booked, do you think NCL and the cruise industry has acted well ? Will you rush back ? 

[shof515]

3 hours ago, Trimone said:

Well cruise friends, it’s over 100 days since any cruises were cancelled, so everybody should be solvent by NCL.

 

No. its not been 100 days

 

Last month on June 16, NCL canceled all August and September cruises and some October sailings

Then last week or so, NCL canceled all remaining Alaska cruises that were not canceled previously

 

They are people on these effected sailings that could be waiting for a refund. The window to file a refund opened today and they have until July 17 to submit a refund request

 

[Trimone]

Sorry, I understand now, so it’s like a corporate Ponzi scheme?

[shof515]

I wont be surprised to see more cancellations next month if October is no longer a safe month to resume cruising

[Trimone]

There’s been a documentary televised in the U.K. it doesn’t show the cruise lines in a good light, we had a fantastic cruise ending March 1st in the haven on the Joy, just made it. Won’t even consider booking anything until next year at the earliest.

[brovol]

I feel quite good about the March 2021 cruise I used my FCC to purchase.  I'm not really sure what your point is, or why you still harbor such bitterness now that you have been made whole by the company many here insisted would never provide a full credit because it surely would be bankrupt by now.  Life is too short friend. 

 

The cruise companies got a terrible punch to the face after the fear/panic circled the universe. It will take a while to get back on very solid financial ground for the industry, but after the election in November there will no longer be a need to shut down the economy "for the good of the country", the virus will have fulfilled its political agenda, and you watch how it will quickly become less relevant.  Ships will sail again soon thereafter.

[Georgia_Peaches]

25 minutes ago, brovol said:

The cruise companies got a terrible punch to the face after the fear/panic circled the universe. It will take a while to get back on very solid financial ground for the industry, but after the election in November there will no longer be a need to shut down the economy "for the good of the country", the virus will have fulfilled its political agenda, and you watch how it will quickly become less relevant.  Ships will sail again soon thereafter.

You are very brave to make such a statement here.  Sadly, I agree with you.

[Georgia_Peaches]

5 hours ago, Trimone said:

do you think NCL and the cruise industry has acted well ? Will you rush back ? 

One often believes another is behaving badly when they don't do things exactly as they, themselves think they would in the same situation.  Have they acted well?  It's not for me to judge as I wasn't owed any money by NCL.  Some of the stories posted here and in other places are disturbing.  But, in the interest of continuous improvement, I hope they (the cruise line) have learned some takeaways that will translate into better customer service moving forward. 

 

At the same time, I think it is just as important to reflect on one's (the traveler) own takeaways. 

 

Will I do anything differently moving forward?  Yes, moving forward I will likely only book last minute cruises that show embarkation and sailing as a near given.  That way, I lessen my risk of having some much money tied up in a cash strapped industry should the cruise become cancelled.

 

I currently have nothing booked with NCL but I have 1 cruise booked for March 2021 on Oceania and another that pushed back on Celebrity to 2022.  Anything else will be a last minute booking for us as we move forward.

Edited July 6, 2020 by Georgia_Peaches

[HuliHuli]

47 minutes ago, Georgia_Peaches said:

One often believes another is behaving badly when they don't do things exactly as they, themselves think they would in the same situation.  Have they acted well?  It's not for me to judge as I wasn't owed any money by NCL.  Some of the stories posted here and in other places are disturbing.  But, in the interest of continuous improvement, I hope they (the cruise line) have learned some takeaways that will translate into better customer service moving forward.

Wow, so thoughtfully written without the acrimony so many posts contain.

[rachiem]

112 days for me...no refund as yet!

[BirdTravels]

6 hours ago, Trimone said:

Well cruise friends, it’s over 100 days since any cruises were cancelled, so everybody should be solvent by NCL.

It is still in lockdown with no sign of getting moving again. Anyone that took the 125% cruise credit, now knows that prices with an element of doubt happening are very cheap, and ones next year are more expensive, so the 125% cruise credit doesn’t match like for like what you had booked, do you think NCL and the cruise industry has acted well ? Will you rush back ? 

Only the first wave cancellations have exceeded 90 days. The second wave cancellations won't hit 90 days until as late as 26 July 2020. Third wave cancellations won't hit 90 days until as late as 15 October 2020. 

 

The cost of a future cruise is the cost of a future cruise. Companies are forced to potentially run at a reduced capacity. Demand continues to be high. The market will support higher prices. What business from your local pub to your barber isn't raising their prices to cover losses?

 

If a cruise cost £1000 last year and costs £1250 next year, that is the cost of the cruise. That has NOTHING to do with the 25% bonus FCC. Having the 25% bonus FCC allows you to take the cruise at no additional cost. Without it, you would just pay the extra money out of pocket. I would much rather NCL cover the price rise than having to pay that out of pocket. Just make sense to me. 

 

50% of the passengers on cancelled cruises have accepted the 125% FCC. We did and we have already rebooked those cruises. Our next cruise may get cancel if the suspension extends, so we'll take the 125% and rebook another cruise. 

[ray98]

Oh look....another topic created to stir the pot.

[FLAHAM]

With the 125 percent FCC and 20 percent discount, I got good deals on the two future cruises I booked.  

[Trimone]

2 hours ago, BirdTravels said:

Only the first wave cancellations have exceeded 90 days. The second wave cancellations won't hit 90 days until as late as 26 July 2020. Third wave cancellations won't hit 90 days until as late as 15 October 2020. 

 

The cost of a future cruise is the cost of a future cruise. Companies are forced to potentially run at a reduced capacity. Demand continues to be high. The market will support higher prices. What business from your local pub to your barber isn't raising their prices to cover losses?

 

If a cruise cost £1000 last year and costs £1250 next year, that is the cost of the cruise. That has NOTHING to do with the 25% bonus FCC. Having the 25% bonus FCC allows you to take the cruise at no additional cost. Without it, you would just pay the extra money out of pocket. I would much rather NCL cover the price rise than having to pay that out of pocket. Just make sense to me. 

 

50% of the passengers on cancelled cruises have accepted the 125% FCC. We did and we have already rebooked those cruises. Our next cruise may get cancel if the suspension extends, so we'll take the 125% and rebook another cruise. 

Sorry we have a salon, and we have not increased our prices, we value the loyalty of our customers.

[Lou33]

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Edited July 6, 2020 by Lou33

[Lou33]

There's no political agenda.  The numbers speak for themselves.  It's unconscionable, that this could happen in a country like the United States.  

[GlamorousGirl]

I’m ready to “rush back” faster than the cruise lines: they’ve canceled 4 cruises I had booked already and 2 more are imminent. I already had a cruise booked that hopefully won’t be canceled like the others (It’s in January) to use FCC on. I booked that one at Black Friday prices last year. I also re-booked 2 casino vouchers which I had cruises cancel for which I can use FCC on port taxes and fees for, so cabin prices are irrelevant. I also found current offers very appealing actually,  and booked new cruises for later knowing if there is a price drop - like Black Friday when they typically have the best prices of the year- I can get price drops until final payment which won’t be due until 2021 and 2022. So some of us choosing FCC have very good reasons for doing so. You do you and let us do us...

[brovol]

15 hours ago, Lou33 said:

There's no political agenda.  The numbers speak for themselves.  It's unconscionable, that this could happen in a country like the United States.  

It is funny how in one post you claim covid-19 wont be an issue after the election, "because we will have better leadership", thus acknowledging that it is at least in part a political situation, but then contradict yourself by providing extremely misleading statistics to fit your narrative that covid-19 is something different than what it is.

 

Covid-19 is in fact a easily spread virus, like many viruses.  What "the science" has proven unequivocally over the duration of this international panic is that a very high percentage of people (and an even higher percentage of healthy people) dont suffer any negative effects, or "sickness" from it, and therefore they dont even know when they are "positive".  Moreover, those same asymptomatic positives are far less likely to spread it to others.  Having said that, because more and more people are going to have covid-19 at some point, and because testing is far more widespread, the "positive cases" are going to go up.  But, the more who get it, and particularly with mild symptoms, no symptoms, or at least survivable symptoms, the closer we as a nation reach "herd immunity", which means most of us become immune, and the tread is reduced to eliminate the threat.  Even the liberal rags, like the NY Times are confirming these things now.

 

The other factor anyone who actually cares about "the facts" over fulfilling a political narrative, is that the "covid-19 deaths" are only described as "covid-19 deaths" because they want to, not because they actually are deaths which are "caused" from covid-19.  The vast overwhelming majority of these deaths are two categories of people, most of whom fall in to both descriptions; very old and/or sick-unhealthy folks.  Prior to covid-19, if someone had a pulmonary condition, heart condition, or both (the two frequently go hand in hand), and that person gets a seasonal cold, which turns into a respiratory infection that they cant shake, leading to a trip to the hospital where they die, that cause of death would be categorized as heart or lung failure.  No Dr. or medical examiner would have considered ruling the cause of death "seasonal cold".  During covid-19 however,  the rules were changed.  If that same person had covid-19 instead of a seasonal cold which ultimately led to the trip to the hospital, and died, its categorized a covid-19 death.  That would be alright, i guess, if we were then able to compare this new statistical measure with pre-covid-19 seasonal colds/viruses/flu's, but we cant, because prior to now everyone knew that people who died from some pre-morbid health condition should be categorized as such, rather than citing some straw which may have broken the camels back as the "cause". 

 

We need to examine the realities of this situation, and compare apples to apples.  Anyone who thinks politics hasnt controlled the narrative since the beginning is like a child following the Pied Piper.  Dont drink too much of the Kool-Aid, as that will kill us far more quickly than covid-19.

[Roger88]

I wouldnt believe Russian statistics, its totally corrupt. Also I wouldnt really look into Latin America and some small corrupted european countries which are totally corrupted as well. I mean, if you want to know the statistics, like a true one, take the US number divide them by the total population and get your % of actually people under risk and already ill people 

[DCGuy64]

55 minutes ago, brovol said:

It is funny how in one post you claim covid-19 wont be an issue after the election, "because we will have better leadership", thus acknowledging that it is at least in part a political situation, but then contradict yourself by providing extremely misleading statistics to fit your narrative that covid-19 is something different than what it is.

 

Covid-19 is in fact a easily spread virus, like many viruses.  What "the science" has proven unequivocally over the duration of this international panic is that a very high percentage of people (and an even higher percentage of healthy people) dont suffer any negative effects, or "sickness" from it, and therefore they dont even know when they are "positive".  Moreover, those same asymptomatic positives are far less likely to spread it to others.  Having said that, because more and more people are going to have covid-19 at some point, and because testing is far more widespread, the "positive cases" are going to go up.  But, the more who get it, and particularly with mild symptoms, no symptoms, or at least survivable symptoms, the closer we as a nation reach "herd immunity", which means most of us become immune, and the tread is reduced to eliminate the threat.  Even the liberal rags, like the NY Times are confirming these things now.

 

The other factor anyone who actually cares about "the facts" over fulfilling a political narrative, is that the "covid-19 deaths" are only described as "covid-19 deaths" because they want to, not because they actually are deaths which are "caused" from covid-19.  The vast overwhelming majority of these deaths are two categories of people, most of whom fall in to both descriptions; very old and/or sick-unhealthy folks.  Prior to covid-19, if someone had a pulmonary condition, heart condition, or both (the two frequently go hand in hand), and that person gets a seasonal cold, which turns into a respiratory infection that they cant shake, leading to a trip to the hospital where they die, that cause of death would be categorized as heart or lung failure.  No Dr. or medical examiner would have considered ruling the cause of death "seasonal cold".  During covid-19 however,  the rules were changed.  If that same person had covid-19 instead of a seasonal cold which ultimately led to the trip to the hospital, and died, its categorized a covid-19 death.  That would be alright, i guess, if we were then able to compare this new statistical measure with pre-covid-19 seasonal colds/viruses/flu's, but we cant, because prior to now everyone knew that people who died from some pre-morbid health condition should be categorized as such, rather than citing some straw which may have broken the camels back as the "cause". 

 

We need to examine the realities of this situation, and compare apples to apples.  Anyone who thinks politics hasnt controlled the narrative since the beginning is like a child following the Pied Piper.  Dont drink too much of the Kool-Aid, as that will kill us far more quickly than covid-19.

Bravo @brovol, somebody gets it. I can't think of a disease in my lifetime that was as politically manipulated as COVID-19. For me, the straw that broke the camel's back was when the same public health experts who lambasted anti-lockdown protesters as being reckless and dangerous turned around and condoned the George Floyd protests as not posing any health risk whatsoever. I lost all respect for them at that point.

[Two Wheels Only]

2 hours ago, brovol said:

Dont drink too much of the Kool-Aid, as that will kill us far more quickly than covid-19.

 

In Jonestown, it was Flavor-Aid. 😉

[Robert & Debra]

2 hours ago, DCGuy64 said:

Bravo @brovol, somebody gets it. I can't think of a disease in my lifetime that was as politically manipulated as COVID-19. For me, the straw that broke the camel's back was when the same public health experts who lambasted anti-lockdown protesters as being reckless and dangerous turned around and condoned the George Floyd protests as not posing any health risk whatsoever. I lost all respect for them at that point.

The straw that broke the camels back for me is the people who think this is all about politics. You do realize that the rest of the world shut down too. At least the ones who now have the virus under some control. Did they do that to play politics or was it maybe because they thought it was the best way to get thru this? I don't know where you get your news but the multiple places I go too had stories about health experts worrying about protesters not social distancing and not wearing masks. If you really are interested in finding other diseases in your lifetime that were used politically you would only have to go back the last 10 years or so. I'm pretty sure the guy in charge now was a big cheerleader of using politics in the past.

[DCGuy64]

Just now, Robert & Debra said:

The straw that broke the camels back for me is the people who think this is all about politics. You do realize that the rest of the world shut down too. At least the ones who now have the virus under some control. Did they do that to play politics or was it maybe because they thought it was the best way to get thru this? I don't know where you get your news but the multiple places I go too had stories about health experts worrying about protesters not social distancing and not wearing masks. If you really are interested in finding other diseases in your lifetime that were used politically you would only have to go back the last 10 years or so. I'm pretty sure the guy in charge now was a big cheerleader of using politics in the past.

I will not debate you about this, sorry. Have a good day!

[Robert & Debra]

58 minutes ago, DCGuy64 said:

I will not debate you about this, sorry. Have a good day!

I wasn't looking for a debate. Just putting a different opinion out there. No need to be sorry. You have a good day as well.

[mjkacmom]

3 hours ago, DCGuy64 said:

Bravo @brovol, somebody gets it. I can't think of a disease in my lifetime that was as politically manipulated as COVID-19. For me, the straw that broke the camel's back was when the same public health experts who lambasted anti-lockdown protesters as being reckless and dangerous turned around and condoned the George Floyd protests as not posing any health risk whatsoever. I lost all respect for them at that point.

I don’t think I’ve heard medical professionals say that the protests won’t lead to the spread of Covid, actually the opposite, that we need to wait and see if the numbers rise, same with bars and beaches opening.