CruiseMH Posted August 18, 2020 #51 Share Posted August 18, 2020 20 hours ago, Two Wheels Only said: And how OLD are their smaller ships? Instead of 6 140KGT ships, why not 2 smaller, 2 medium, and 2 larger ships? Age is not important,the condition is important. As long as they are kept in good shape they will make money with them. They do create their fleet based on the market situation. There was and still is a time where people want(ed) to have big ships with tons of entertainment and the craziest ideas. But slowly there is an upcoming demand for not so big ships with a little bit more style and service.And i think thats why they do build the leonardo class. The demand for the extreme big ships is not so high that they need more breakaway-plus class ships. But the demand for the smaller ships(2000 passengers) is also not high enough to build any additional ones to the already existing ones. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fstuff1 Posted August 18, 2020 #52 Share Posted August 18, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Two Wheels Only said: It wouldn't be sensible to put Escape in the Breakaway Class simply because of the Panama Canal. Just as certain ships may be allowed to sail under a bridge (retractable funnel, for ex.) while other ships in the same class are not allowed, the class is still the same. Maybe the front-facing Observation Lounges on BA+ 2,3,&4 that Escape doesn't have could be used to put Escape in the BA Class but even then, the argument would be that ship class isn't about features. Similar to the Audi Q7, Bentley Bentega, Lamborghini Urus, Volkswagen Touareg, and Porsche Cayenne all being built on the same platform even though engines, transmissions, and features are different within the platform. escape seems like the red headed step child of the BA+ class. - cant go through the panama canal - no race track - has a dance floor in the mdr all 3 of those 'features' are on the breakaway/getaway. i'm just saying make it simple and less confusing for non-cruisecritic customers Edited August 18, 2020 by fstuff1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two Wheels Only Posted August 18, 2020 #53 Share Posted August 18, 2020 (edited) 58 minutes ago, CruiseMH said: Age is not important,the condition is important. As long as they are kept in good shape they will make money with them. That's what they say on the Carnival forum. 😁 (White paint over rust is good enough for Carnival) I wouldn't at all be surprised if most or all of the open deck space shown in the rendering is filled with (for a fee) stuff. We'll all have to wait and see.... Edited August 18, 2020 by Two Wheels Only 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two Wheels Only Posted August 18, 2020 #54 Share Posted August 18, 2020 33 minutes ago, fstuff1 said: i'm just saying make it simple and less confusing for non-cruisecritic customers Non-CC members don't care what class the "boat" is. If they want "...the boat with go-karts...", they won't book Escape even though it is in the same class as the "boats" with go-karts. People like us think about stuff like that. The majority of people on the ship aren't like us. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreestyleNovice Posted August 18, 2020 Author #55 Share Posted August 18, 2020 Some facts for Leonardo 1: - mega blocks are being build at Fincantieri subsidiary Vard Tulcea (Romania, Europe), completion will be done in Italy. - Ship's hull number on the yard is 6298. - original date of delivery for the first Leonard class ship was March 2022. With; Leonardo 2: April 2023 Leonardo 3: June 2024 Leonardo 4: July 2025 Leonardo 5: 2026 Leonardo 6: 2027 As far as I know the hull still is in Romania, I was surprised to already see the progress! NCL could/would benefit from releasing the deck plans and some venue announcements to generate some extra cashflow from the first bookings. Promoting and introducing a new 2022 ship shows confidence in the future, so bring it on as soon as you can NCL. 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff79 Posted August 18, 2020 #56 Share Posted August 18, 2020 (edited) Will be interesting if the ship will do the summer season in the med? And then go in fall to Miami? And if they do so where they name the ship? If they do so, I would like do book one of the first cruises in the med. it is great to have something to talk about again. Hope ncl give us some news the next weeks/ months so this will stay alive Edited August 18, 2020 by Steff79 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey112 Posted August 18, 2020 #57 Share Posted August 18, 2020 On 8/17/2020 at 9:29 PM, FreestyleNovice said: I am not affiliated with any of the shipyards nor with NCL, I just enjoy the new builds. Everything I share is found through open sources online (social media, websites, etc). Hello! Thanks for posting. Keep it coming. Greetings from Amsterdam too! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare All-ready2cruise Posted August 18, 2020 #58 Share Posted August 18, 2020 I love the rendering of the ?Atrium?, looks very elegant and high end. It really does remind me of MSC Divina which I loved cruising on. Very pretty and elegant. Thanks for starting this exciting thread, FreestyleNovice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreestyleNovice Posted August 18, 2020 Author #59 Share Posted August 18, 2020 21 minutes ago, Steff79 said: Will be interesting if the ship will do the summer season in the med? And then go in fall to Miami? And if they do so where they name the ship? If they do so, I would like do book one of the first cruises in the med. it is great to have something to talk about again. Hope ncl give us some news the next weeks/ months so this will stay alive https://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articles/348148/ncl-seriously-looking-at-deploying-first-leonardo-ship-in-europe This article mentioned a (pre Covid19) delivery of June 2022 by the way, written October 2019. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CazV Posted August 18, 2020 #60 Share Posted August 18, 2020 Thanks for starting this thread @FreestyleNovice Haven't been on here for months, but a little birdie sent me over to check it out. Nice to have something to get excited about. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_sobe Posted August 18, 2020 #61 Share Posted August 18, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, FreestyleNovice said: https://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articles/348148/ncl-seriously-looking-at-deploying-first-leonardo-ship-in-europe This article mentioned a (pre Covid19) delivery of June 2022 by the way, written October 2019. Thanks for the link and also the footnote. I hope the first leonardo class ship sails from Miami but hey....I'm rooting for the home court advantage 🙂 After FDR's disaster in debuting Joy in China, I hope NCL no longer lets FDR decide where new ships go 🤫 Edited August 18, 2020 by david_sobe 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oteixeira Posted August 18, 2020 #62 Share Posted August 18, 2020 4 hours ago, fstuff1 said: escape seems like the red headed step child of the BA+ class. - cant go through the panama canal - no race track - has a dance floor in the mdr all 3 of those 'features' are on the breakaway/getaway. i'm just saying make it simple and less confusing for non-cruisecritic customers Yea, but it has the extra length with the brewery and food republic, which clearly makes it a BA+, and very different from the breakaway/getaway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDougOut Posted August 19, 2020 #63 Share Posted August 19, 2020 On 8/17/2020 at 9:18 AM, FreestyleNovice said: Here's the source; https://www.cgarchitect.com/images/26b49519 (March/April 2019). I can imagine NCL going for the more contemporary look and feel, their pricing already is at that premium level. Guess who just pulled the photo? 😆 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreestyleNovice Posted August 19, 2020 Author #64 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Nice. Let's test this render; https://www.cgarchitect.com/projects/abf1a1af-restaurant It was/is on the same page, made/uploaded by the same company and the caption says: "This is a rendering for a restaurant on a cruise ship." Uploaded a few months prior to the Leonardo Atrium pic. I spot some of those wider pizza ovens, I can't make up the remarkable exterior windows but is this an upscale La Cucina onboard Leonardo? The image does not appear in a reversed image search for say another ship or line.. Anyone else seen it before? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSUmom Posted August 19, 2020 #65 Share Posted August 19, 2020 You all are making me so happy with all of this! I am so tired of doom and gloom and nothing new on cruise critic...this is fun to follow and I look forward to more! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff79 Posted August 19, 2020 #66 Share Posted August 19, 2020 46 minutes ago, TheDougOut said: Guess who just pulled the photo? 😆 Welcome back Doug, it feels now like the good old days.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare All-ready2cruise Posted August 19, 2020 #67 Share Posted August 19, 2020 1 hour ago, FreestyleNovice said: Nice. Let's test this render; https://www.cgarchitect.com/projects/abf1a1af-restaurant It was/is on the same page, made/uploaded by the same company and the caption says: "This is a rendering for a restaurant on a cruise ship." Uploaded a few months prior to the Leonardo Atrium pic. I spot some of those wider pizza ovens, I can't make up the remarkable exterior windows but is this an upscale La Cucina onboard Leonardo? The image does not appear in a reversed image search for say another ship or line.. Anyone else seen it before? I think it might be the new Italian restaurant, Onda by Scarpetta. Looks very nice too. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sand and Seas Posted August 19, 2020 #68 Share Posted August 19, 2020 55 minutes ago, All-ready2cruise said: I think it might be the new Italian restaurant, Onda by Scarpetta. Looks very nice too. I agree. It reminds me of Onda on Encore. Upscale Italian describes Onda and their menu. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Coreysgrl06 Posted August 19, 2020 #69 Share Posted August 19, 2020 2 hours ago, FreestyleNovice said: Nice. Let's test this render; https://www.cgarchitect.com/projects/abf1a1af-restaurant It was/is on the same page, made/uploaded by the same company and the caption says: "This is a rendering for a restaurant on a cruise ship." Uploaded a few months prior to the Leonardo Atrium pic. I spot some of those wider pizza ovens, I can't make up the remarkable exterior windows but is this an upscale La Cucina onboard Leonardo? The image does not appear in a reversed image search for say another ship or line.. Anyone else seen it before? Beautiful design! So nice to see some ideas 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hloakes Posted August 19, 2020 #70 Share Posted August 19, 2020 This was posted on the NCL FB page about this class of ships. https://thepointsguy.com/news/norwegian-cruise-line-ordering-smaller-ships/?fbclid=IwAR3FAnmVqYYPQ0DRtaTl2ZjGMIa3ZjInaT-P-7EY1cKZ31RaQfjFnqXs37Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fstuff1 Posted August 19, 2020 #71 Share Posted August 19, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, hloakes said: This was posted on the NCL FB page about this class of ships. https://thepointsguy.com/news/norwegian-cruise-line-ordering-smaller-ships/?fbclid=IwAR3FAnmVqYYPQ0DRtaTl2ZjGMIa3ZjInaT-P-7EY1cKZ31RaQfjFnqXs37Q "Six of Norwegian’s 17 ships, all built before 2006, are in the 2,000-passenger range. Four more vessels (Jewel class) built between 2005 and 2007 are in the 2,400-passenger range. Then there are the line’s last seven ships, which all are in the 4,000-passenger range. “It sort of fills a niche for us,” Sommer said. “We think having these four [ship sizes] allows us to have the maximum flexibility for our guests.” Asked about the economics of going smaller, Sommer said he didn’t see a big difference in the expected returns from a 3,300-passenger ship versus a 4,000-passenger ship." i dont see much of a difference between a 3300 passenger ship and a 4000 passenger ship. also, the author is wrong about the # of the smallest ship size. there's only 4 ships in the 2000 passenger range, not 6. the Dawn and Star are 2400 passengers. Edited August 19, 2020 by fstuff1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two Wheels Only Posted August 19, 2020 #72 Share Posted August 19, 2020 33 minutes ago, hloakes said: This was posted on the NCL FB page about this class of ships. https://thepointsguy.com/news/norwegian-cruise-line-ordering-smaller-ships/?fbclid=IwAR3FAnmVqYYPQ0DRtaTl2ZjGMIa3ZjInaT-P-7EY1cKZ31RaQfjFnqXs37Q Covered here.... https://boards.cruisecritic.com/topic/2714915-why-norwegian%E2%80%99s-new-cruise-ships-will-be-much-smaller/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fstuff1 Posted August 19, 2020 #73 Share Posted August 19, 2020 (edited) nevermind Edited August 19, 2020 by fstuff1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff79 Posted August 19, 2020 #74 Share Posted August 19, 2020 This is from the msc ships or? So you can find something maybe at the msc Homepage about The rooms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romalley99 Posted August 19, 2020 #75 Share Posted August 19, 2020 4 hours ago, TheDougOut said: Guess who just pulled the photo? 😆 I think you're on to something, Doug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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