molecrochip Posted October 22, 2020 #1 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Everyone will have their own view on whether to restart cruising however I'm hearing some encouraging talk that the UK Government is set to ease the FCO travel advice on cruising. A number of factors have played into this: UK Gov have watched other countries restart The current outbreak on Costa has been effectively controlled. The Canary islands are set to welcome cruise ships back including those from the UK UK cruise companies have now released their procedures in conjunction with CLIA. Commitment to mandatory testing of everyone on board. The first cruise call was made to Portsmouth this week. This is the first call in 7 months. UK Gov now accept the argument that a cruise ship is no worse than a long-haul aircraft. Public announcement may be a few weeks away but, in the same way that airlines and package holiday companies were briefed in advance about air bridges, I understand cruise companies have/are to be briefed. If this does happen, expect restart to be phased like Costa. Start with cruises to nowhere, extend to UK ports in Tier 1 areas. 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cathygh Posted October 22, 2020 #2 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Thanks Molecrochip Yay! Southampton is currently in Tier one, but who knows how long that will last? I am one of those who would try cruising under the new protocols before I decide if I would like it or not. Not too concerned about mask wearing as I have to wear one at work anyway and I've got used to it. I know we all have our own views on this, I guess we just have to do what is right for ourselves Cathy 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohnonotmeagain Posted October 22, 2020 #3 Share Posted October 22, 2020 I agree with the above sentiment, try before you dismiss out of hand. I too wear a mask for work, up to 12 hours a day, so am not bothered. I REALLY miss my holidays and should this be the new normal for the next few months or a year, I'm in! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ToxM Posted October 22, 2020 #4 Share Posted October 22, 2020 This is very promising! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted October 22, 2020 #5 Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 hour ago, molecrochip said: Everyone will have their own view on whether to restart cruising however I'm hearing some encouraging talk that the UK Government is set to ease the FCO travel advice on cruising. A number of factors have played into this: UK Gov have watched other countries restart The current outbreak on Costa has been effectively controlled. The Canary islands are set to welcome cruise ships back including those from the UK UK cruise companies have now released their procedures in conjunction with CLIA. Commitment to mandatory testing of everyone on board. The first cruise call was made to Portsmouth this week. This is the first call in 7 months. UK Gov now accept the argument that a cruise ship is no worse than a long-haul aircraft. Public announcement may be a few weeks away but, in the same way that airlines and package holiday companies were briefed in advance about air bridges, I understand cruise companies have/are to be briefed. If this does happen, expect restart to be phased like Costa. Start with cruises to nowhere, extend to UK ports in Tier 1 areas. Thanks for the update. I will be watching closely to see how things develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molecrochip Posted October 22, 2020 Author #6 Share Posted October 22, 2020 My personal view is that I‘m choosing between a holiday or no holiday, i’m not choosing between rules now and rules 12 months ago. if I don’t go on a cruise, I will stay at home, continue day to day life, wear a mask to the shops or appointments, maybe go to a restaurant. People need to remember that the new protocols are a first implementation. They will change over time. Some like pre boating testing may hang around. Others like bubbled trips may be eased based on destination and current local incidence of the virus. I understand some people will want to wait for a couple of years and that’s ok. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeanlyon Posted October 22, 2020 #7 Share Posted October 22, 2020 With the numbers absolutely skyrocketing in Spain, France and Italy, not to mention us, I can't see cruising being anything but Cruise to Nowhere. The numbers today are quite terrifying. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplesea Posted October 22, 2020 #8 Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Cathygh said: Thanks Molecrochip Yay! Southampton is currently in Tier one, but who knows how long that will last? I am one of those who would try cruising under the new protocols before I decide if I would like it or not. Not too concerned about mask wearing as I have to wear one at work anyway and I've got used to it. I know we all have our own views on this, I guess we just have to do what is right for ourselves Cathy I am in agreement. We too are in Tier One down here, can they dock at Falmouth?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molecrochip Posted October 22, 2020 Author #9 Share Posted October 22, 2020 I don't have the piece of research at hand but I've posted it previously. Some of the points that sprang to mind were: 12 hours sat amongst a plane full of people compared to 5 minutes walking through the ship. On a plane, in economy, you are in close contact (<2m for 15 mins+) with 30ish people whereas can control this on a cruise ship to avoid close contact. You can escape to your own cabin/balcony on a cruise ship and have access to outside decks which need no artificial ventilation. You sit further apart when unmasked (eating/drinking etc.) on a cruise ship. 99% of air is fresh on a cruise ship compared to 80% every 5 minutes on a plane. It is possible to socially distance on a cruise ship. Its not on a place. That's without considering mask wearing. All cruise ships carry doctors and medical equipment superior to planes. When I find the research article I will post but it was independently carried out by a university not connected with cruising. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molecrochip Posted October 22, 2020 Author #10 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Should also point out that the research was done before agreement to test everyone on boarding, which of course doesn't happen on planes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercury7289 Posted October 22, 2020 #11 Share Posted October 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, molecrochip said: I don't have the piece of research at hand but I've posted it previously. Some of the points that sprang to mind were: 12 hours sat amongst a plane full of people compared to 5 minutes walking through the ship. On a plane, in economy, you are in close contact (<2m for 15 mins+) with 30ish people whereas can control this on a cruise ship to avoid close contact. You can escape to your own cabin/balcony on a cruise ship and have access to outside decks which need no artificial ventilation. You sit further apart when unmasked (eating/drinking etc.) on a cruise ship. 99% of air is fresh on a cruise ship compared to 80% every 5 minutes on a plane. It is possible to socially distance on a cruise ship. Its not on a place. That's without considering mask wearing. All cruise ships carry doctors and medical equipment superior to planes. When I find the research article I will post but it was independently carried out by a university not connected with cruising. The question was, where is the proof that the UK government accepted that argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molecrochip Posted October 22, 2020 Author #12 Share Posted October 22, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, mercury7289 said: The question was, where is the proof that the UK government accepted that argument? Sorry, I thought you wanted the long haul flight v cruise proof. I can't give you proof today in the same way that I can't give you proof that the government are changing their stance on cruising because its not been announced to the public but instead is being discussed in the industry. Throughout this whole saga, I've tried to share snippets of information ahead of time that won't get me or anyone else into trouble. It does however mean that I can't always offer up the proof at the same time.... that it doesn't mean its not true. I hope my track record with cancellations, Oceana sale, Iona progress and handover proves that my information is generally reliable. Edited October 22, 2020 by molecrochip 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisenewbie1976 Posted October 22, 2020 #13 Share Posted October 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, molecrochip said: Sorry, I thought you wanted the long haul flight v cruise proof. I can't give you proof today in the same way that I can't give you proof that the government are changing their stance on cruising because its not been announced to the public but instead is being discussed in the industry. Throughout this whole saga, I've tried to share snippets of information ahead of time that won't get me or anyone else into trouble. It does however mean that I can't always offer up the proof at the same time.... that it doesn't mean its not true. I hope my track record with cancellations, Oceana sale, Iona progress and handover proves that my information is generally reliable. We all know you're a credible source of info. You've proved it enough times. The info you provide just doesn't suit some people's agendas. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molecrochip Posted October 22, 2020 Author #14 Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 minute ago, cruisenewbie1976 said: We all know you're a credible source of info. You've proved it enough times. The info you provide just doesn't suit some people's agendas. Thanks @cruisenewbie1976. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted October 22, 2020 #15 Share Posted October 22, 2020 14 minutes ago, molecrochip said: Sorry, I thought you wanted the long haul flight v cruise proof. I can't give you proof today in the same way that I can't give you proof that the government are changing their stance on cruising because its not been announced to the public but instead is being discussed in the industry. Throughout this whole saga, I've tried to share snippets of information ahead of time that won't get me or anyone else into trouble. It does however mean that I can't always offer up the proof at the same time.... that it doesn't mean its not true. I hope my track record with cancellations, Oceana sale, Iona progress and handover proves that my information is generally reliable. Your inside information is appreciated by most on here. Thank you. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermotsgirl Posted October 22, 2020 #16 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Interesting news. I thank Molecrochip for giving us these snippets, and have no doubt that this is genuine. My comment would be that it seems very strange timing for the government to be considering lifting the restrictions on cruise ship travel, with the backdrop of sharply rising infections and increasing restrictions on every day life. I can only think that this is a preparation for the spring, when it might be hoped that the situation will be improved. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardennais Posted October 22, 2020 #17 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Southampton might well be Tier One, but passengers come from all over the country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisenewbie1976 Posted October 22, 2020 #18 Share Posted October 22, 2020 13 minutes ago, Dermotsgirl said: Interesting news. I thank Molecrochip for giving us these snippets, and have no doubt that this is genuine. My comment would be that it seems very strange timing for the government to be considering lifting the restrictions on cruise ship travel, with the backdrop of sharply rising infections and increasing restrictions on every day life. I can only think that this is a preparation for the spring, when it might be hoped that the situation will be improved. Ready for 6th March 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercury7289 Posted October 22, 2020 #19 Share Posted October 22, 2020 52 minutes ago, molecrochip said: Sorry, I thought you wanted the long haul flight v cruise proof. I can't give you proof today in the same way that I can't give you proof that the government are changing their stance on cruising because its not been announced to the public but instead is being discussed in the industry. Throughout this whole saga, I've tried to share snippets of information ahead of time that won't get me or anyone else into trouble. It does however mean that I can't always offer up the proof at the same time.... that it doesn't mean its not true. I hope my track record with cancellations, Oceana sale, Iona progress and handover proves that my information is generally reliable. Thank you, so its all still at the discussion stage, but maybe a little more advanced, not doubting your sincerity, just asking a question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted October 22, 2020 #20 Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 hour ago, cruisenewbie1976 said: I don't need to. Molecrochip has explained it for you. Do let me know if I can help you with anything. I was going to offer the same advice, until I saw Moley's reply, which was expressed far better than mine would have been, and probably far more politely. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted October 22, 2020 #21 Share Posted October 22, 2020 53 minutes ago, Dermotsgirl said: Interesting news. I thank Molecrochip for giving us these snippets, and have no doubt that this is genuine. My comment would be that it seems very strange timing for the government to be considering lifting the restrictions on cruise ship travel, with the backdrop of sharply rising infections and increasing restrictions on every day life. I can only think that this is a preparation for the spring, when it might be hoped that the situation will be improved. I think that goes without saying, since they have already cancelled most cruises into March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted October 22, 2020 #22 Share Posted October 22, 2020 3 hours ago, jeanlyon said: With the numbers absolutely skyrocketing in Spain, France and Italy, not to mention us, I can't see cruising being anything but Cruise to Nowhere. The numbers today are quite terrifying. Well, I'm off to Lanzarote next week. Infection rates there are lower than virtually everywhere in the UK, so it will be good to have 3 weeks of safety in the sun! 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted October 22, 2020 #23 Share Posted October 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, wowzz said: Well, I'm off to Lanzarote next week. Infection rates there are lower than virtually everywhere in the UK, so it will be good to have 3 weeks of safety in the sun! Hope you have a fantastic holiday Wowzz.🍺🍺🍺 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted October 22, 2020 #24 Share Posted October 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, wowzz said: Well, I'm off to Lanzarote next week. Infection rates there are lower than virtually everywhere in the UK, so it will be good to have 3 weeks of safety in the sun! April for us, but if prices don't skyrocket perhaps another trip before that. Maybe a Canaries cruise Christmas time 🤔 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adawn47 Posted October 22, 2020 #25 Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 hour ago, molecrochip said: Sorry, I thought you wanted the long haul flight v cruise proof. I can't give you proof today in the same way that I can't give you proof that the government are changing their stance on cruising because its not been announced to the public but instead is being discussed in the industry. Throughout this whole saga, I've tried to share snippets of information ahead of time that won't get me or anyone else into trouble. It does however mean that I can't always offer up the proof at the same time.... that it doesn't mean its not true. I hope my track record with cancellations, Oceana sale, Iona progress and handover proves that my information is generally reliable. You've proved time and again how reliable your information is, and I am grateful for all the information you can give us. Avril 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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