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43 minutes ago, SteveH2508 said:

The pie is not of an infinite size however - the main problem is not the pie - it is who wields the pie slicer.

 

Better a growing pie than a shrinking one!  A shrinking pie is a big problem.

 

I am curious who you think should be in charge of slicing the pie.  I am sure you are ready to have more of yours taken although it may cut down on your ability to cruise.

 

A slogan popularized by Marx comes to mind - "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"  

 

If not that one, Pink Floyd will do - "Money, it's a crime, Share it fairly but don't take a slice of my pie"

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Better a growing pie than a shrinking one!  A shrinking pie is a big problem.

 

I am curious who you think should be in charge of slicing the pie.  I am sure you are ready to have more of yours taken although it may cut down on your ability to cruise.

 

A slogan popularized by Marx comes to mind - "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"  

 

If not that one, Pink Floyd will do - "Money, it's a crime, Share it fairly but don't take a slice of my pie"

Quoting Marx does not do your credibility any favours - his philosophy has been shown to be a bust by practical, real world experience.

Pink Floyd - great musicians - brilliant song - political/environmental analysts not quite so good (some lyrics need to be 'adjusted' so that they rhyme you know).

 

The 'pie-slicer boss' is what seriously worries me at the moment. The political leadership of the world seems to me to be seriously incompetent and getting worse by the day (it could take a quantum leap downwards in the next couple of days as well😉).

 

We are fortunate in that we have no kids so we intend to spend as much of our wealth on travel and seeing the world as we can (selfish I know but we do not own a car, do not have kids, live in a small flat etc.) so our carbon footprint is small compared to many (travel being the exception).

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20 minutes ago, SteveH2508 said:

Quoting Marx does not do your credibility any favours - his philosophy has been shown to be a bust by practical, real world experience.

Pink Floyd - great musicians - brilliant song - political/environmental analysts not quite so good (some lyrics need to be 'adjusted' so that they rhyme you know).

 

The 'pie-slicer boss' is what seriously worries me at the moment. The political leadership of the world seems to me to be seriously incompetent and getting worse by the day (it could take a quantum leap downwards in the next couple of days as well😉).

 

 

 

The only reason I thought of using a phrase popularized by Marx is that "pie slicers" such as yourself love these types of slogans.   Your focus on how to divvy up spoils rather than improving the lot of everyone does you no favor.  

 

BTW - at least we agree on Pink Floyd.  That was simply for fun which is the point of these boards.

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35 minutes ago, SelectSys said:

 

The only reason I thought of using a phrase popularized by Marx is that "pie slicers" such as yourself love these types of slogans.   Your focus on how to divvy up spoils rather than improving the lot of everyone does you no favor.  

 

BTW - at least we agree on Pink Floyd.  That was simply for fun which is the point of these boards.

The only reason I used the term pie slicer was in response to an earlier post referring to pies. You do not know me - my opinion of politicians is certainly not printable on these boards - virtually all of them are beneath contempt IMHO.

 

My point was that the 'divvying up of the spoils' is currently wrong in so many ways and needs to be addressed - politicians are not the people to be doing this. Many of the poor countries of the world are poor because the politicians are stealing all of the wealth and aid (take a look at many African countries).

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1 hour ago, ColeThornton said:

A slice of warm apple pie with some vanilla ice cream on top sounds good right now.  I don't even care if Marx is the waiter.  lol

 

Detour:   Apple pie, then cheddar cheese, then vanilla ice cream.  Oh man.  That is good stuff.   

 

OK, return to whatever this discussion is about.   

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, SteveH2508 said:

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My point was that the 'divvying up of the spoils' is currently wrong in so many ways and needs to be addressed - politicians are not the people to be doing this. Many of the poor countries of the world are poor because the politicians are stealing all of the wealth and aid (take a look at many African countries).

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Turns out we agree on that as well.   Where I live, a substantial percentage if not an outright majority are in favor of establishing outcomes "fairly."  Our own Senator even made a recent video on the subject.

 

4 hours ago, ColeThornton said:

A slice of warm apple pie with some vanilla ice cream on top sounds good right now.  I don't even care if Marx is the waiter.  lol

 

Good for you!  Perhaps Nancy will raid her refrigerator for you and send you some ice cream, although my memory is that she prefers chocolate.

 

 

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8 hours ago, SteveH2508 said:

Quoting Marx does not do your credibility any favours - his philosophy has been shown to be a bust by practical, real world experience.

Pink Floyd - great musicians - brilliant song - political/environmental analysts not quite so good (some lyrics need to be 'adjusted' so that they rhyme you know).

 

The 'pie-slicer boss' is what seriously worries me at the moment. The political leadership of the world seems to me to be seriously incompetent and getting worse by the day (it could take a quantum leap downwards in the next couple of days as well😉).

 

We are fortunate in that we have no kids so we intend to spend as much of our wealth on travel and seeing the world as we can (selfish I know but we do not own a car, do not have kids, live in a small flat etc.) so our carbon footprint is small compared to many (travel being the exception).

 

Uh, he wasn't quoting Marx favorably.  Your statements here are far more in line with the discredited Marx than anything @SelectSys said.

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All this talk of "pie" has me thinking about the best pie I ever had on a cruise ship (yes, this is cruise critic and supposed to be about cruising and travel).  But the truth is that despite having thousands of meals on lots of different ships I do not recall any of the pies. If I go back far enough to the days of Sitmar Cruise Lines they used to have a large nightly midnight buffet that had an amazing assortment of pies.  That would have kept some of you very busy trying to figure out how to cut up those pies :);  I suppose in those days the uneaten pies were eventually tossed overboard so perhaps you can all argue if those pies adversely impacted the environment or perhaps caused obese fish more likely to be hospitalized or die from COVID.  What do you think?

 

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7 minutes ago, Hlitner said:

I suppose in those days the uneaten pies were eventually tossed overboard so perhaps you can all argue if those pies adversely impacted the environment or perhaps caused obese fish more likely to be hospitalized or die from COVID.  What do you think?

 

 

It's never pretty to see a dolphin with cellulite. 

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On 11/3/2020 at 6:10 PM, SelectSys said:

 

The thread was about the environmental impact of cruising and people's thoughts on the subject.

 

Yes, I know.  I guess I don't feel any real guilt about cruising.   But I might feel a little guilt if I eat some apple pie a al mode.   

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4 hours ago, cruizergal70 said:

Really? I assumed you used a Marx quote to scare uninformed people about "socialism."

 

Not really, I just try and add a bit of humor to my posts from time to time.  If a post here can "scare" someone, that would be truly  amazing.

 

Even if I don't agree with their ideas, I think socialists/collectivists tend to be great sloganeers and worth quoting from time to time.  Mao Zedong happens to be my personal favorite!

 

“In waking a tiger, use a long stick.”
― Mao Tse-tung

https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/4797485.Mao_Zedong?page=1

 

 As a thought experiment, do you really want the collectivist ideal determining when, where and how frequently you should cruise?  Can you imagine needing to petition the enlightened commissar or block captain for permission to go on a 7 day Caribbean  cruise? 

 

Finally, I actually assume people on this site are relatively well informed and can think.  What do you think?  Maybe some people here subscribe to the life strategy that "ignorance is bliss" to their potential peril.

 

BTW - my favorite pies are apple and peach with vanilla ice cream!

 

 

 

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On 10/25/2020 at 2:45 AM, ilikeanswers said:

 

That's preparing for the future. Already there are a number of car manufacturers that have commited to ending production of petrol cars, while most companies have increased production of electrics and hybrids. Infarstructure will have to be created for this future otherwise you will be left behind. Creating this kind of deadline gives companies who create this kind of infrastructure the confidence to place their money into these areas.

 

As for travel I would love to see travel go greener but for that to happen realistically the world has to go greener. The fact is the cruise line industry is intermingled with other industries that they can't control. Cruise lines even if they want can only do so much and in the end there has to be a societal frame work that values environmental concerns and prioritises environmental solutions. Individuals only have so much power before you hit a wall where there is nothing more you can do. It's like when I go to the shop I bring my reusable bags but I can't stop the shop from packing everything in plastic🙄. You need the cooporation of all industries to truely make travel green and not just be a tokenistic gesture.

Just a silly question but with all those electric cars in California where are you going to get the electricity to charge them?  Can't build more nuclear.  Can't build more dams?  Solar is not very efficient and does not work at night or on cloudy days.  Wind has its limitations and is not real good on a calm day.  And you certainly can't use gas, oil or coal.  So what is left?

 

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32 minutes ago, Hlitner said:

Just a silly question but with all those electric cars in California where are you going to get the electricity to charge them?  Can't build more nuclear.  Can't build more dams?  Solar is not very efficient and does not work at night or on cloudy days.  Wind has its limitations and is not real good on a calm day.  And you certainly can't use gas, oil or coal.  So what is left?

 

Hank

 

A bit of everything really. The idea of having one power source for everything is outdated. It will be a mix and realistically the grid will have to be broken up into smaller parts. We already have apartment blocks in Australia who run their own electric grids. Infrastructure will have to change and Europe has already been doing this it is why the European car manufacturers feel confident to move away from petrol cars. Asia is also starting to make changes which will lead to Asian car manufacturers heading in this direction. There is no stopping the change and it is not just about climate change we have all become more aware of the hazards of air pollution. The UN has declared it the great health emergency of our era. If your country is not preparing for electric cars you'll end up like Cuba trying to keep alive old cars with a mish mash of parts you can find which I guess for car enthusiasts would be the dream 😂

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2 hours ago, Hlitner said:

Just a silly question but with all those electric cars in California where are you going to get the electricity to charge them?  Can't build more nuclear.  Can't build more dams?  Solar is not very efficient and does not work at night or on cloudy days.  Wind has its limitations and is not real good on a calm day.  And you certainly can't use gas, oil or coal.  So what is left?

 

Hank

 

And the disposal issue for dealing with solar panels and windmills that reach the end of their solar problems is huge.  Solar panels are filled with toxic electronics, and windmills are huge.

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