Rare ninjacat123 Posted June 25, 2021 #101 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Sounds like the cruise line's response was appropriate and effective. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pc_load_letter Posted June 25, 2021 #102 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Sure, RCL handled it well as we would expect them to, but the optics, I argue, are not good. I dunno, I still think cruises should be 100% vax'd. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asalligo Posted June 25, 2021 #103 Share Posted June 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, pc_load_letter said: Sure, RCL handled it well as we would expect them to, but the optics, I argue, are not good. I dunno, I still think cruises should be 100% vax'd. That is not going to stop the cases. We just have to understand that cases occur even in the vaccinated and as I have said before, it will not be long before a fully vaccinated cruiser dies from catching it on a cruise ship. The CDC says that 2% of breakthrough cases have been fatal. We just need to keep rolling on when that happens and not let it stop cruising this time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lele100 Posted June 25, 2021 #104 Share Posted June 25, 2021 I didn't read all the posts, but I was wondering what was the capacity on this ship? (percentage) Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkaine23 Posted June 25, 2021 #105 Share Posted June 25, 2021 10 minutes ago, asalligo said: That is not going to stop the cases. We just have to understand that cases occur even in the vaccinated and as I have said before, it will not be long before a fully vaccinated cruiser dies from catching it on a cruise ship. The CDC says that 2% of breakthrough cases have been fatal. We just need to keep rolling on when that happens and not let it stop cruising this time. In these 2 cases on AotS, it was unvaccinated children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostsoulcruiser Posted June 25, 2021 #106 Share Posted June 25, 2021 18 minutes ago, asalligo said: That is not going to stop the cases. We just have to understand that cases occur even in the vaccinated and as I have said before, it will not be long before a fully vaccinated cruiser dies from catching it on a cruise ship. The CDC says that 2% of breakthrough cases have been fatal. We just need to keep rolling on when that happens and not let it stop cruising this time. Royal Caribbean said that both guests are under the age of 16 and unvaccinated and were immediately quarantined. One guest is asymptomatic, and the other guest is experiencing mild symptoms. Those in their immediate travel party are vaccinated and have tested negative, according to a statement from the Miami-based cruise line. The above italic is quoted from the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare KKB Posted June 25, 2021 #107 Share Posted June 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, arkaine23 said: In these 2 cases on AotS, it was unvaccinated children. Unvaccinated teens. Unfortunately they could have been vaccinated. A passenger from that cruise commented that they didn't feel the unvaccinated (6%) were not as compliant about masking as they should have been, particularly the teens. And that crew was not particularly pushy about reminding them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe817 Posted June 25, 2021 #108 Share Posted June 25, 2021 32 minutes ago, pc_load_letter said: Sure, RCL handled it well as we would expect them to, but the optics, I argue, are not good. I dunno, I still think cruises should be 100% vax'd. According to the article, both people were unvaxxed, and under the age of 16....not eligible for the vax. I R.C. handled the situation very well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkaine23 Posted June 25, 2021 #109 Share Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) The article doesn't say their age at all, just under 16. The vaccine is available in the US for 12+, but the article isn't specific enough about their age to know if they were eligible or not. This cruise was 92% vaccinated 8% not. This is a ship using Bahamian protocols, not the CDC's CSO. Edited June 25, 2021 by arkaine23 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted June 25, 2021 #110 Share Posted June 25, 2021 34 minutes ago, lele100 said: I didn't read all the posts, but I was wondering what was the capacity on this ship? (percentage) About 25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xDisconnections Posted June 25, 2021 #111 Share Posted June 25, 2021 21 minutes ago, arkaine23 said: The article doesn't say their age at all, just under 16. The vaccine is available in the US for 12+, but the article isn't specific enough about their age to know if they were eligible or not. This cruise was 92% vaccinated 8% not. This is a ship using Bahamian protocols, not the CDC's CSO. I'd likely guess somewhere between 12 and 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare crewsweeper Posted June 25, 2021 #112 Share Posted June 25, 2021 What's really good about this is that NONE of the vaccinated people, close family and crew nd contact raced folks were tested positive. Speaks volumes for getting the vaccine. However, the 2 under 18 could NOT have gotten the vaccine and there may be other complications for those under 18 getting the vaccine, albeit those complications have been rare in appearing , just getting media exposure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucfan2 Posted June 25, 2021 #113 Share Posted June 25, 2021 5 hours ago, DallasGuy75219 said: Not taking the bait for the argument you've tried to start on multiple threads. Sorry, not sorry. He's not arguing....just stating a simple fact...oops - simple IMO (don't want to hurt someone's feelings with 'simple'). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babr Posted June 25, 2021 #114 Share Posted June 25, 2021 1 hour ago, DallasGuy75219 said: I'm referring to passengers who booked a sailing through October 31 between the time they made the guarantee and when they rescinded it. That’s my point. I don’t think they rescinded it. From the beginning, the web page says we’ll do this until Oct. 31. After that, the terms of the contract apply. Perhaps if someone booked before any policy was announced, that would qualify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkaine23 Posted June 25, 2021 #115 Share Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) To me it shows that resumption protocols are working and vaccines are the major factor. There might be some contact tracing/testing and guests getting quarantined briefly though as per protocols when cases do pop up. And rarely, some people could get quarantined in a port city hotel after the cruise and have to wait to fly home. Edited June 25, 2021 by arkaine23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fairweather Posted June 25, 2021 #116 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Looks like those who are vaccinated have so far not gotten sick. But these positive test results on the first test cruises indicate that there has to be protocols that keep a tight watch over those that aren't vaccinated. I understand that some people can't get the vaccines for health reasons, but they must understand that their cruise experience cannot be the same as others on board who are. There will be times when they cannot leave their cabins or miss out on some activities onboard. You know this is not going to go over well with some cruise customers. But if continued cruise testing indicates the need, they will have to live with it. You have to wonder how long it will be before those who have been taken off ship after a positive test or the unvaccinated in general planning a vacation risk having their future cruise curtailed or limited in scope. Landed resorts like All Inclusives will obviously be forced to set up the same protocols as well to insure their properties are safe and attractive to the majority who will be vaccinated. You have to think that most people will get the vaccinations as they become available across the globe, especially for their children. This should greatly solve the now existing problem. Testing protocols before opening up entire cruise schedules obviously is working and is the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vacruisin Posted June 25, 2021 #117 Share Posted June 25, 2021 1 hour ago, KKB said: Unvaccinated teens. Unfortunately they could have been vaccinated. A passenger from that cruise commented that they didn't feel the unvaccinated (6%) were not as compliant about masking as they should have been, particularly the teens. And that crew was not particularly pushy about reminding them. If these cruise lines are going to allow unvaccinated passengers to sail, they need to be very strict about enforcing the rules they have set for unvaccinated passengers. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine3601 Posted June 25, 2021 #118 Share Posted June 25, 2021 27 minutes ago, crewsweeper said: What's really good about this is that NONE of the vaccinated people, close family and crew nd contact raced folks were tested positive. Speaks volumes for getting the vaccine. However, the 2 under 18 could NOT have gotten the vaccine and there may be other complications for those under 18 getting the vaccine, albeit those complications have been rare in appearing , just getting media exposure. let's hope none of the contact traced folks test positive after getting home or that any crew does in coming days. Remember there is an average 5 to 7 days before you could test positive after exposure. But it is good to hear their protocols are working and they were able to get charter flights for the family to get home. Still curious on how they managed that since US wants a negative test before entering the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crzndeb Posted June 25, 2021 #119 Share Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) 38 minutes ago, crewsweeper said: What's really good about this is that NONE of the vaccinated people, close family and crew nd contact raced folks were tested positive. Speaks volumes for getting the vaccine. However, the 2 under 18 could NOT have gotten the vaccine and there may be other complications for those under 18 getting the vaccine, albeit those complications have been rare in appearing , just getting media exposure. There still could be breakthrough cases with the parents, but we will never know. Took me 5 days after my daughter’s symptoms to start feeling mine. The CDC quit tracking breakthrough cases, unless hospitalized or death. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/05/27/1000933529/cdc-approach-to-breakthrough-infections-sparks-concerns Edited June 25, 2021 by crzndeb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare KKB Posted June 25, 2021 #120 Share Posted June 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, fairweather said: I understand that some people can't get the vaccines for health reasons, but they must understand that their cruise experience cannot be the same as others on board who are. Most of the people who cannot get a vaccine are immunocompromised--so they are extremely unlikely to cruise anyway. An incredibly small number of the population as a whole; few who would cruise. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/underlying-conditions.html?s_cid=10485:who should not take the covid vaccine:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffeebean Posted June 25, 2021 #121 Share Posted June 25, 2021 20 hours ago, sandebeach said: Just read on a blog from the ship that the teens were unvaccinated; one is asymptomatic and one has mild symptoms. The vaccinated parents tested negative. Teens and parents disembarked at Freeport, to return home to Florida. All contacts tested and negative. So......those two teens must have tested negative to board the ship. Right? Those tests are not 100% accurate; either that or the kids did not have enough virus load at the time of the test to test positive??? Again......those tests are not completely accurate. But, that is all the cruise lines have to allow un-vaxxed passengers to cruise with them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffeebean Posted June 25, 2021 #122 Share Posted June 25, 2021 19 hours ago, John&LaLa said: Sacrificial lambs, if you will. Actually great way to get home😇 Is Royal paying for the family's transportation home? Who pays for transportation home if it were un-vaxxed adults who tested positive? How does that work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purvis1231 Posted June 25, 2021 #123 Share Posted June 25, 2021 20 hours ago, smokeybandit said: Protocols worked again. This is a non-issue. No, there will be panic in some circles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffeebean Posted June 25, 2021 #124 Share Posted June 25, 2021 18 hours ago, ticketsunlimited said: Great numbers. Only 2 passengers. Both unvaccinated but the vaccinated passengers with them were negative. Such a great example of the power of the vaccinations. It really has saved the cruise industry. Numbers came out for May Covid deaths 18,000 unfortunate souls. 150 out of the 18,000 deaths were breakthrough vaccinated people. We are definately headed in the right direction. .8% of Covid deaths are vaccinated the rest are unvaccinated. These people who are breakthrough infections that have died......do they have co-morbidities that contributed to their deaths? Much like people with co-morbidities that die of Covid that were not vaccinated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffeebean Posted June 25, 2021 #125 Share Posted June 25, 2021 18 hours ago, BirdTravels said: If it was like last week, many of the unvaccinated passengers did not properly follow mask protocols. Wasn't this a 95% vaccinated cruise? If it was, then no one had to wear a mask anywhere on the ship. Isn't that correct? Please correct me if I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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