MDR clothing options

[TheHawk1]

1 minute ago, Denny01 said:

I’m Not flexible…..the Blazer Has to be part of it!!!

 

den

Well, if my legs are cool but I'm still sweating with the jacket on, then the situation hasn't improved.  Sorry, deal's off. 

[Denny01]

3 minutes ago, LMaxwell said:

 

I did show a picture a page or so back of my typical outfit which is basically what you describe above minus the coat.  I place them over the chair when eating

If its minus the coat, what are you placing over the chair…..your shorts?!?! 

 

I’m a literalist…..I love to read books.

 

den

Edited July 20, 2022 by Denny01

[Denny01]

3 minutes ago, TheHawk1 said:

Well, if my legs are cool but I'm still sweating with the jacket on, then the situation hasn't improved.  Sorry, deal's off. 

Don’t you realize the whole point isnt being comfortable during dinner, its looking proper! 

 

OK, enough. I think I’ve run my course of silliness. 

 

Den

[LMaxwell]

2 minutes ago, Denny01 said:

If its minus the coat, what are you placing over the chair…..your shorts?!?! 

 

I’m a literalist…..I love to read books.

 

den

If I bring a coat I place it on the chair. 

 

I don't wear a sport coat w shorts though. 

 

I love books too.  Always bring real books on my cruises; don't bother with an E-Reader. 

[D C]

4 hours ago, LMaxwell said:

 

Then get dressed up for breakfast and lunch too I suppose.  I don't subscribe to that point above. We are always courteous and respectful.  I've seen some very "nicely" dressed people be absolutely horrible to the staff, totally unncessary. 

 

I believe the cruise line sets the tone for the MDR and it's just fancy cafeteria now; nothing at all close to what it was in days past. Go on a mass market line (where this seems to be a bigger issue on the forums, to be honest about it) and they spend all week trying to sell you specialty dining.  The company has devalued the MDR experience.  it's Okay. It's nice. The food is decent. Thanks GOODNESS on Celebrity they don't make the wait staff sing or prance on table tops doing dance shows; I've always felt that demeaning to the staff. 

 

They don't care if I have on golf shorts or slacks. They just care that I am nice, I am content, and that I tip. That's all. Their management decides the level it should be at.  I think the only people that *might* care as much as you think, amongst service industry, are people who work for/at Disney

 

In what way is the tone set as just a fancy cafeteria?

Is it the multiple forks and spoons set in the proper location and order?

Is it the way they change that silverware based on what you've ordered?
Is it the way they help you slide your chair in?
Is it the formality with which they always take the orders of the ladies first?

Is it the dress code that explicitly cites no shorts?

 

Inquiring minds want to know the answer AND which cafeterias you've been to that do the same.  I've yet to see one, but maybe I'm not frequenting the 'fancy' cafeterias. 

 

 

 

[D C]

9 hours ago, JJRP said:

I believe the staff in the MDR works hard to create a specific experience.  They appear to have pride in their work.  I hear you that how you dress in your daily culture may not be considered part of good manners.  But for much of the world (especially outside the U.S., from where the vast majority of the staff hail), how you dress for dinner at night in a formal dining room is part of good manners; the same as saying "please" and "thank you."  It is not about you - it is not a judgment on your clothing preferences or anything else to do with you personally.  I suspect when you dine in the MDR, you don't refuse to say "please" and "thank you" because you are on vacation.  If you don't use such words of courtesy, I believe the staff would care and find it mildly disrespectful and not appreciating the work they are going for you.  So too, if you dress in shorts and flip-flops, they find it disrespectful of their work, of the experience they are trying to create with their effort.

What's most shocking is the people who are in denial of what you've stated (vs ignorant of the situation), and who also go to great lengths to justify their disrespect for the dress code.  

 

Frankly, I hate to dress up, but I certainly do so when appropriate as a customary matter and when requested by the dress code for an establishment.

[Denny01]

Reason to wear Shorts in MDR:

earlier: MDR ‘too hot for pants’

now: MDR ‘just a fancy cafeteria’ 

 

Got it. Good reasons……too bad neither is true, but that really doesn’t matter.. 

 

Den

[LMaxwell]

29 minutes ago, Denny01 said:

Reason to wear Shorts in MDR:

earlier: MDR ‘too hot for pants’

now: MDR ‘just a fancy cafeteria’ 

 

Got it. Good reasons……too bad neither is true, but that really doesn’t matter.. 

 

Den

Not worth the energy. You and I won't interact again. Be well

Edited July 21, 2022 by LMaxwell

[LMaxwell]

56 minutes ago, D C said:

 

In what way is the tone set as just a fancy cafeteria?

Is it the multiple forks and spoons set in the proper location and order?

Is it the way they change that silverware based on what you've ordered?
Is it the way they help you slide your chair in?
Is it the formality with which they always take the orders of the ladies first?

Is it the dress code that explicitly cites no shorts?

 

Inquiring minds want to know the answer AND which cafeterias you've been to that do the same.  I've yet to see one, but maybe I'm not frequenting the 'fancy' cafeterias. 

 

 

 

The noise, the commotion, the good but not excellent food.  All of that has moved to specialty dining; quieter, less commotion, food prepared to order instead of en masse. 

 

You may have to accept that people are allowed to have different perspectives and viewpoints. Yours and my opinion differ. I respect that. I'm not trying to change your mind, nor am I trying to say you are wrong. I do take offense that i've told another gentleman I find the MDR to be hot (it was on my last trip) and he refuses to accept my word, so I won't converse with him further. If I was uncomfortable I was uncomfortable and no one will gaslight me that I was. 

 

It's just a meal on vacation. It's not that impressive or important to me. I dress for my comfort, not for being someones elses background scenery or to impress the staff.  I'm repeating myself now.  

 

It seems each time someone wants to ask a question or extend the conversation that it's really just a trap to insult my perspectives and opinions. I don't really appreciate it. I'll unsubscribe from the thread. I'm one of the 20-30% of men and women you will see on your next caribbean cruise wearing shorts in the evening and in the dining room. 

[cruiseny4life]

11 hours ago, LMaxwell said:

The noise, the commotion, the good but not excellent food.  All of that has moved to specialty dining; quieter, less commotion, food prepared to order instead of en masse. 

 

You may have to accept that people are allowed to have different perspectives and viewpoints. Yours and my opinion differ. I respect that. I'm not trying to change your mind, nor am I trying to say you are wrong. I do take offense that i've told another gentleman I find the MDR to be hot (it was on my last trip) and he refuses to accept my word, so I won't converse with him further. If I was uncomfortable I was uncomfortable and no one will gaslight me that I was. 

 

It's just a meal on vacation. It's not that impressive or important to me. I dress for my comfort, not for being someones elses background scenery or to impress the staff.  I'm repeating myself now.  

 

It seems each time someone wants to ask a question or extend the conversation that it's really just a trap to insult my perspectives and opinions. I don't really appreciate it. I'll unsubscribe from the thread. I'm one of the 20-30% of men and women you will see on your next caribbean cruise wearing shorts in the evening and in the dining room. 

I think what you're missing is that cruisers want the perception they are in a dining room full of pomposity and arrogance. By bringing the real world in with shorts and a t-shirt (that they're not part of the true 1%) you're dismissing the notion of their false dichotomy. The premise being - hey, look at us! We are strutting our peacock suits and dresses around, while being served on by doting foreign servers. We must have it made! 

 

This is why you are not entitled to your own opinion - your opinion (and actions) have ruined the false dreams of those who believe they have made it...to further dash these dreams, I'll say that anyone cruising on a line that is listed on these forums has not made it. There are no forums for the truly wealthy - that's what the paparazzi is for. 

 

Due to this, you (or I) will never be of the correct opinion (again, before y'all slam me, I follow the dress code or just refuse to dine in the venue if I have to peacock myself). 

[JJRP]

1 hour ago, cruiseny4life said:

I think what you're missing is that cruisers want the perception they are in a dining room full of pomposity and arrogance. By bringing the real world in with shorts and a t-shirt (that they're not part of the true 1%) you're dismissing the notion of their false dichotomy. The premise being - hey, look at us! We are strutting our peacock suits and dresses around, while being served on by doting foreign servers. We must have it made! 

 

This is why you are not entitled to your own opinion - your opinion (and actions) have ruined the false dreams of those who believe they have made it...to further dash these dreams, I'll say that anyone cruising on a line that is listed on these forums has not made it. There are no forums for the truly wealthy - that's what the paparazzi is for. 

 

Due to this, you (or I) will never be of the correct opinion (again, before y'all slam me, I follow the dress code or just refuse to dine in the venue if I have to peacock myself). 

People of all economic levels have events where they dress to a certain standard.   In the MDR, wearing blue jeans, a golf shirt from JC Penny’s, and simple leather loathers would satisfy the dress code and be entirely appropriate.  That is hardly pretending to be the 1%.  
 

(Again, thank you for following the dress code, especially when you don’t like it)

[cruiseny4life]

3 minutes ago, JJRP said:

People of all economic levels have events where they dress to a certain standard.   In the MDR, wearing blue jeans, a golf shirt from JC Penny’s, and simple leather loathers would satisfy the dress code and be entirely appropriate.  That is hardly pretending to be the 1%.  
 

(Again, thank you for following the dress code, especially when you don’t like it)

Of course! After all, I am a (non-practicing) Catholic and former Boy Scouts (yep, I'm an Eagle Scout), so rules do matter to me, least of all, because of the guilt. 🙂 

 

I agree with you regarding the dress code - my comment was more directed at those who insist upon dressing like they're at Bal de la Rose - preening and all. 

[Denny01]

Ahhh, the judgmentalness of those that won’t wear shorts and t-shirts to dinner. 
 

den

[MF40]

Update folks. Here on board, day 7. Chic night….just had a gent walk past in his very smart tuxedo and kilt.

3 minutes earlier, another gent passed by on his way with his family in pretty much the dress in the photo. With his trainers on, shirt out, no boat shoes..(for comparison purposes). 
 

It’s all go!! 😀

[Yoshikitty]

16 hours ago, LMaxwell said:

The noise, the commotion, the good but not excellent food.  All of that has moved to specialty dining; quieter, less commotion, food prepared to order instead of en masse. 

 

You may have to accept that people are allowed to have different perspectives and viewpoints. Yours and my opinion differ. I respect that. I'm not trying to change your mind, nor am I trying to say you are wrong. I do take offense that i've told another gentleman I find the MDR to be hot (it was on my last trip) and he refuses to accept my word, so I won't converse with him further. If I was uncomfortable I was uncomfortable and no one will gaslight me that I was. 

 

It's just a meal on vacation. It's not that impressive or important to me. I dress for my comfort, not for being someones elses background scenery or to impress the staff.  I'm repeating myself now.  

 

It seems each time someone wants to ask a question or extend the conversation that it's really just a trap to insult my perspectives and opinions. I don't really appreciate it. I'll unsubscribe from the thread. I'm one of the 20-30% of men and women you will see on your next caribbean cruise wearing shorts in the evening and in the dining room. 

Me, myself and I……

 

Rules are rules, stick to them or stay away, please!

Edited July 21, 2022 by Yoshikitty

[LMaxwell]

48 minutes ago, Yoshikitty said:

Rules are rules, stick to them or stay away, please!

No, thank you! 

[davekathy]

1 hour ago, Yoshikitty said:

Me, myself and I……

 

Rules are rules, stick to them or stay away, please!

Unless you are the CEO of Celebrity your advise/suggestion is ridiculous!  I'd wager that Celebrity wouldn't agree with your ridiculous suggestion. But thanks for the afternoon laugh. 😂

[C4HCG]

This whole thread is a giggle. People slagging off others for not following Celebrity rules but that act of slagging other posters off surely breaks cruise critic rules 🤪. Not a person on here doesn’t break some rule or other. My husband tells me on our trip on the Equinox end of August he’s going to wear odd socks underneath his flip flops whilst wearing his Leeds United cap the wrong way round. We will upload some photos 👍

[LMaxwell]

2 minutes ago, C4HCG said:

 My husband tells me on our trip on the Equinox end of August he’s going to wear odd socks underneath his flip flops whilst wearing his Leeds United cap the wrong way round. 

 Always healthy to get some enjoyment. 

[Denny01]

On 7/20/2022 at 7:29 PM, LMaxwell said:

Not worth the energy. You and I won't interact again. Be well

An apology to @LMaxwell. My post was uncalled for and nasty. I sometimes let what I think is humor go too far at another’s expense. That is the trouble with postings, we get too wrapped in ourselves. we never see this on Roll Calls do we.

 

Again, sorry. I’m working on stepping this down.

 

den

[smears]

I still think we all need to consider whether tuxedo t-shirts might be the solution to all this. 

[Boycey]

A timely topic. I turned up for dinner in what I thought were acceptable (tailored, not sports) shorts recently on Constellation and the hostess discretely and with great sensitivity asked me to change as shorts weren't allowed in the MDR. I was more than happy to do it and assumed simply that the people I'd  seen on previous nights in shorts were perhaps victims of lost luggage or similar. I didn't ask, but assumed that there must be some special dispensation.

 

However, through the cruise I noticed people (men and women) in the MDR in shorts every night. Some in sports shorts (and one lady, on evening chic night, in a bathing suit beneath a one piece cover up/Sarong) Evening I concede, but Chic it wasn't.  Maybe they'd been challenged and declined to change, or more likely the hostess chose discretion over valour, but the end result is the same.

 

Generally, I don't worry too much about what other people wear, but I do question the inconsistent application of a rule or guideline. Allow shorts or don't, but be consistent. That's surely the only sustainable policy?

 

 

 

 

[Redtravel]

Years ago, Celebrity had dress codes that they enforced.  If you showed up in MDR in shorts, you were politely told that you couldn’t enter.  That was fine. They made the rules. They made sure that they were followed.  Now, Celebrity isn’t enforcing any dress codes. While it is stated in their info, it isn’t followed. Once you see people coming to dinner in shorts and not being turned away, others follow. On my cruise in June, I was amazed how how poorly people dressed. It was common to see shorts, hats, flip flops, torn tees, bathing suits, pajamas, etc. in the MDR.  Many people looked awful.  Many did look nice. It was surprising to see the clothing that people were wearing. Not sure why it is now acceptable to be a slob. Maybe they don’t have decent clothing? Many worked at home in pajamas for the past 2 years. Perhaps Celebrity wants bookings from anyone? There are no standards. It’s like a come as you are party.  I miss the old Celebrity.  It was classy.  

[RichYak]

1 hour ago, Redtravel said:

It was classy.  

It appeared classy.

[Pinboy]

2 hours ago, Redtravel said:

1--On my cruise in June, I was amazed how how poorly people dressed. It was common to see shorts, hats, flip flops, torn tees, bathing suits, pajamas, etc. in the MDR.

2--Not sure why it is now acceptable to be a slob

3--I miss the old Celebrity.  It was classy. 

1-- The Staff are too intimidated to enforce the rules and people take advantage of it.

2-- It's " I have MY rights ", Entitlement ," It's nobody's business how I dress " , and, some people just don't care to follow the rules , dress code, guidelines or whatever they call it.

3-- So true !!!  However, I prefer to not have to bring a tux ( doesn't fit anyway ) or even a suit--- But, always follow the rules --- it's not that hard and doesn't put the Staff in an awkward position.

How come people that won't follow the rules in the MDR don't put up a " stink " about not smoking in the casino or anywhere else on the ship ?