This Thread Is To Be Used For All Discussions About HAL's On Board Smoking Policies

[cruz chic]

[quote name='CHOPPERTESTER']Nicorette gum or patches, LOL, during bunkering/closed decks.

Even on Celebrity they still complain about the exterior space set aside for smokers, Celebrity not enforcing the imaginary smoking/non-smoking line painted on the deck, Why do they have to have a covered area?, etc etc.

For me I think karaoke on a ship is a wasted space but I don't complain about it. Point is HAL did a refit on Eurodam and didn't think it through.

HAL is not alone in not planning well. Carnival when they refit Destiny/Sunshine added for pay restaurants where handicapped cruisers cannot go as there are no tables their height and added a comedy club where only the smallest wheelchairs can navigate the room.[/QUOTE]

Hal's worst decision is not banning balcony smoking. Clearly they make decisions on revenue. It is a stupid plan to have a space that handicapped passangers can't get into. As far as complaining about smokers I had a smoker around me on princess where balcony smoking is not allowed. I couldn't tell where it was coming from until the last day. She's very lucky I didn't report her. I can't understand how people do something when they know they are breaking the rules.

[EatonDoolittle]

I just read an article in Caribbean Journal that Carnival Corp has hired a new Hotel Director away from Marriott. I'm unsure if it is just for Carnival line, or the entire umbrella of cruise companies.

I recently retired after many years with a large hotel company that umbrellas a dozen or so different hotel brands, so believe me, they all do talk among them selves and share, even while maintaining their independent brands.

Anyway, if it is for the entire corporation, this may be good news for those who prefer no balcony smoking.
Marriott has always been an industry leader in providing customer service and comfort, they were some of the first to go non-smoking in all their hotels.

Just a thought.

[cruz chic]

[quote name='RuthC'][FONT="Comic Sans MS"][SIZE="3"][COLOR="RoyalBlue"]Thanks, I did see Erewhon's post and it returned a flicker of hope.

However, even if HAL were to have an enclosed, ventilated, comfortable, indoor space (or two), as well as an outdoor space (or two), on every ship as the only spaces where smoking is allowed, there would still be people who are not satisfied. The crabbing that smokers have ANY space whatsoever, or complaints about the particular space allocated, would go on. As would this thread. :rolleyes:[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/QUOTE]

There may be the odd person. It's not feasible to have a totally smoke free ship. Let's hope thay we actually see the day when there is no balcony smoking. Pretty hard to speculate what will happen before Hal eliminates balcony smoking.

[cruisemom42]

[quote name='cruz chic']From reading on here celebrity has no indoor smoking area. I wonder how smokers manage with that. They don't seem to have problems selling their ships out and I assume smokers do cruise with them.[/QUOTE]

A majority of Celebrity's cruises are short ones, and in generally temperate areas. Perhaps people are more willing to gamble that outdoor areas will be usable for the short-term in such locales.

Or perhaps Celebrity's smoking passengers are more mobile.

[Lizzie68]

[quote name='RuthC'][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=RoyalBlue]Thanks, I did see Erewhon's post and it returned a flicker of hope.

However, even if HAL were to have an enclosed, ventilated, comfortable, indoor space (or two), as well as an outdoor space (or two), on every ship as the only spaces where smoking is allowed, there would still be people who are not satisfied. The crabbing that smokers have ANY space whatsoever, or complaints about the particular space allocated, would go on. As would this thread. :rolleyes:[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/quote]

My observations of this thread only is that most non-smokers actually advocate a comfortable indoor area for smokers. It has been mentioned many times through the thread. I would hope therefore that you are wrong. The major complaint from non smokers is having to share the smoke, so that issue would be taken care of.

[mightycruisequeen]

[quote name='RuthC'][FONT="Comic Sans MS"][SIZE="3"][COLOR="RoyalBlue"]Thanks, I did see Erewhon's post and it returned a flicker of hope.

However, even if HAL were to have an enclosed, ventilated, comfortable, indoor space (or two), as well as an outdoor space (or two), on every ship as the only spaces where smoking is allowed, there would still be people who are not satisfied. The crabbing that smokers have ANY space whatsoever, or complaints about the particular space allocated, would go on. As would this thread. :rolleyes:[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/QUOTE]

I don't begrudge smokers having their space. The issue I have is their smoke. The smoke won't stay in the smokers' space; it goes everywhere.

[DeeniEncinitas]

So how much longer to keep my fingers crossed? We have an upsale fairy for our upgrades, sooooo no smoking fairies for our balconies in the future Hun?
HAL still on the edge of no decision?
Happy New Year all!
Denise:)

[sail7seas]

[quote name='RuthC'][FONT="Comic Sans MS"][SIZE="3"][COLOR="RoyalBlue"]Thanks, I did see Erewhon's post and it returned a flicker of hope.

However, even if HAL were to have an enclosed, ventilated, comfortable, indoor space (or two), as well as an outdoor space (or two), on every ship as the only spaces where smoking is allowed, there would still be people who are not satisfied. The crabbing that smokers have ANY space whatsoever, or complaints about the particular space allocated, would go on. As would this thread. :rolleyes:[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/QUOTE]

[B] I agree with those who think most of us here are fine with a well ventilated, comfortable, enclosed space for smokers. I don't care if people smoke, I think they should have a reasonable place to sit and enjoy their cigarette but I don't want to smell it. If it chases me off my verandah, I am opposed. If it is in a place I can avoid without losing out on enjoyment of my cabin/verandah, I am absolutely fine about that.

[/B]

[RuthC]

[quote name='sail7seas'][B] I agree with those who think most of us here are fine with a well ventilated, comfortable, enclosed space for smokers. [/B][/QUOTE]
[FONT="Comic Sans MS"][SIZE="3"][COLOR="RoyalBlue"]Clearly, "most" is not "all" (for evidence, just read back a few posts). And without "all" being in agreement, my statement will hold true---crabbing about the HAL smoking policy, and this thread, will continue.
I will bet my cruise budget on it.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[iriemon]

[quote name='ithaca gal']That is certainly a possibility but smokers literally drove me out of the casino. I would find a machine to play on and a smoker would sit down next to me and light up. I would have to leave immediately.

This new Policy protects the dealers who cannot leave the area. It shows consideration for the workers[/QUOTE]

The casinos have a smoking and non smoking section. If you are in the smoking section why wouldn't you expect that someone might sit next to you and light up? There are losing machines on either side.

[cruz chic]

The casinos have a smoking and non smoking section. If you are in the smoking section why wouldn't you expect that someone might sit next to you and light up? There are losing machines on either side.

 

Does that mean the winning machines are on the smoking side :D;)?

[iriemon]

Does that mean the winning machines are on the smoking side :D;)?

 

I have yet to find them on either side.

[erewhon]

The NODM Oak Room was designated "No Smoking" as recent as May this year (2015)

 

The letter from Captain Draper encouraging smokers to use the Oak Room,was in our stateroom when we boarded the Noordam on October 25th 2015.

[ithaca gal]

The casinos have a smoking and non smoking section. If you are in the smoking section why wouldn't you expect that someone might sit next to you and light up? There are losing machines on either side.

 

The non smoking area's machines were all taken because there are more non smokers than smokers. I wasn't SURPRISED that a smoker sat next to me. I'm just saying I had to leave when she lit up. And she didn't gamble. She only sat there long enough to have her cigarette then left the casino ...... Clearly not respecting the policy.

[Aquahound]

The NODM Oak Room was designated "No Smoking" as recent as May this year (2015)

 

Not according to folks who just did the repositioning cruise on Noordam a few months ago.

[IRL_Joanie]

Not according to folks who just did the repositioning cruise on Noordam a few months ago.

Copper10-8 is a Security Officer with HAL and is, or was until his vacation time a week or so ago. If he says it is non smoking now, then it is. A policy change can change in 1 minute and go into effect in a split second. A few months ago we were on Noordam and the Oak Lounge was still a smoking venue, but that was then and.....

 

I do not have to like it, but.........

 

Joanie

Edited January 2, 2016 by IRL_Joanie

[blueboro]

The casinos have a smoking and non smoking section. If you are in the smoking section why wouldn't you expect that someone might sit next to you and light up? There are losing machines on either side.

 

Understand the Eurodam is now completely non-smoking in the casino though.

[Lizzie68]

And those who sailed the ship more recently than May/15 - which is the date he reported on - obviously know nothing.:rolleyes: Things change, and even a security officer not on that ship might not be informed first when HAL makes such changes.

Edited January 2, 2016 by Lizzie68

[Lizzie68]

Not according to folks who just did the repositioning cruise on Noordam a few months ago.

 

Yes, I prefer to go by the most recent information available. Copper John quite honestly reported on his experience in May, 2015, when he was onboard the ship.

 

Edited to add..... here is a report from someone on a cruise today:

 

Info about Oak Room was announced at muster and is advertised in daily on location information as cigar and smoking room

Edited January 2, 2016 by Lizzie68

[cruz chic]

Copper10-8 is a Security Officer with HAL and is, or was until his vacation time a week or so ago. If he says it is non smoking now, then it is. A policy change can change in 1 minute and go into effect in a split second. A few months ago we were on Noordam and the Oak Lounge was still a smoking venue, but that was then and.....

 

I do not have to like it, but.........

 

Joanie

 

I believe copper was last on the Noordam several months ago. It's is now down in Australia if I'm not mistaken. Posters that live in Australia have been on it since and have letters to support it is a smoking venue. What is there to dispute?

[Aquahound]

Copper10-8 is a Security Officer with HAL and is, or was until his vacation time a week or so ago. If he says it is non smoking now, then it is. A policy change can change in 1 minute and go into effect in a split second. A few months ago we were on Noordam and the Oak Lounge was still a smoking venue, but that was then and.....

 

I do not have to like it, but.........

 

Joanie

 

His information is from May and there have now been several people who have said otherwise since then, including someone posting today. I think people reporting first hand knowledge is more credible than a security officer on another ship.

[IRL_Joanie]

His information is from May and there have now been several people who have said otherwise since then, including someone posting today. I think people reporting first hand knowledge is more credible than a security officer on another ship.

 

I believe copper was last on the Noordam several months ago. It's is now down in Australia if I'm not mistaken. Posters that live in Australia have been on it since and have letters to support it is a smoking venue. What is there to dispute?

 

My apologies, I was under the impression he was still assigned to the Noordam.

 

Joanie

[CHOPPERTESTER]

It could be a down under thing...

 

Carnival Legend has different smoking area plans whether it is down under or not. Sailings from Oz have no interior smoking areas, including the Casino.

 

If Noordam is sailing out of Australia then local regs about smoking might be in force so the Oak room would be non-smoking.

Edited January 2, 2016 by CHOPPERTESTER

[Copper10-8]

Not according to folks who just did the repositioning cruise on Noordam a few months ago.

 

I'm not saying it's a non smoking room now. I'm saying the Oak Room was non-smoking as of May last year (2015) and after she came out of dry-dock the month before. Things have changed since then ;)

[HELENPSL]

Does anyone know if the casino on the Zuiderdam is completely smoke free or only on certain nights? I'm sailing on Monday.

 

Thanks,

Helen