Murder on Emerald Princess

[dforeigner]

My guess is that, even after law enforcement has released the cabin, Princess will simply lock the cabin and remove it from inventory. There is too much trauma that will be forever associated with that room (and the adjoining one) - and I would question the motivation of anyone who knowingly requested it.

 

 

So many people are affected by this tragedy - consider even the stewards who would have to enter the room and clean it - no, that cabin will never be used by guests again. (I rarely make definitive predictions, but I am in this case.)

 

People commit suicide at hotels all the time. Many use a firearm in the act. Those rooms are not taken off the "inventory". Murders also occur in hotel rooms. Again, those rooms are not removed from the "inventory". The same thing with real estate. Murders and suicides occur at private residences. Some states, like California, by law have to advise potential buyers if someone died in a residence when purchasing said property. Most states do not. Those houses are not removed from the market.

 

It may be a while as the carpet, the wall paper, some of the furniture will have to be replaced. But eventually, the room will be available for occupancy.

[mek]

Would you be happy after boarding, finding out that you're in the same cabin? :confused:

 

The cabin will be brand new when they begin to put passengers in it again, so, honestly it wouldn't bother me, but then I live in a 217 year old house and I'm sure many people have died in it over the years. But I understand why some people would be freaked out by it.

[triptolemus]

What's also somewhat appalling is the angle the media is taking. The "evil cruise ship" angle is far more prevalent in various articles than the root issue of domestic violence. Linking to "Cruise Ship Deaths" website, linking to "Other Cruise Ship Murders" and all of that, but not one link to information about DV and how one might go about helping to prevent it or how someone in an at-risk situation might be able to seek help. I'm sorry if I'm repeating myself on that point -- but I'm not sorry. So I guess I will:

 

http://www.thehotline.org/

[soccermommy]

A lot of information has been hitting the media sources today, so everyone is getting to see just how violent and disturbing this incident really was....that is, for those who are interested. I'll also refrain from posting the cabin #.

 

Thank you to the vast majority who kept this thread civil. I've been in law enforcement 24 years and I've seen my fair share of domestic cases....often the first to arrive. This is the sort of thing that is not only tragic at face value, but also for the first responders and witnesses who have to see what death really looks like. It's the sort of thing that changes a person. My heart bleeds for their daughter, family and other witnesses who had to intervene.

As the mother and MIL of law enforcement agents, I just wanted to thank you for you calm professionalism in reporting on this truly sad occurrence, and thank you for you service.

[Essiesmom]

But there will be some people booked into those cabins on the next cruise. What are they going to tell them? Where will they put them? EM

[bUU]

Suggestions that the cabin and the adjoining cabin will never be used again are rather beyond the boundary of any reasonable consideration. They might be taken out of service for one or two more cruises for one reason or another but eventually they'll be back in use. I suppose it might be appropriate to renumber cabins to obscure where the incident occurred but I don't even expect that to occur.

 

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[Reader0108598]

My comment was a little rough. Sorry about that.

 

 

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[Loonbeam]

As noted, they will not. The room will be unavailable for several cruises, as A> right now it is a crime scene and B> it will need extensive cleaning by a specialist team and major repairs before being suitable for re-use.

 

 

As callous as this may sound, murders and domestic violence assaults happen every day around the world. I recall a conversation with a Vegas security director where he said probably 40 percent of the rooms in his hotel (a main one on the strip) had seen a violent crime at some point. Even if they wanted to they couldn't take it out of inventory or eventually they'd have no cabins to sell..

 

On a more practical note, news articles aside, its likely 75 percent or more of the cruising public will never even hear of this and will stay in the rooms without any qualms unless someone tells them out of spite.

 

 

It's another reminder that ships are floating cities, and the same things happen on them that happen in cities.

 

(As to an earlier question, yes it was right to post this here - if nothing else CC would probably have, and its good to have a place to post updated information to dispel rumors (and I have heard some doozies).

 

My guess is that, even after law enforcement has released the cabin, Princess will simply lock the cabin and remove it from inventory. There is too much trauma that will be forever associated with that room (and the adjoining one) - and I would question the motivation of anyone who knowingly requested it.

 

 

So many people are affected by this tragedy - consider even the stewards who would have to enter the room and clean it - no, that cabin will never be used by guests again. (I rarely make definitive predictions, but I am in this case.)

[mek]

Suggestions that the cabin and the adjoining cabin will never be used again are rather beyond the boundary of any reasonable consideration. They might be taken out of service for one or two more cruises for one reason or another but eventually they'll be back in use. I suppose it might be appropriate to renumber cabins to obscure where the incident occurred but I don't even expect that to occur.

 

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Agree with the renumbering - all someone would have to do is look at an old deck plan if they really wanted to know. But land addresses have been changed where horrific crimes have been committed - like the Tate/LaBianca murder locations.

 

Believe it or not, there are people who would go out of their way to book one of these cabins. People can and do stay overnight in the Lizzie Borden house in one of the murder rooms.

[Verydelight]

You have no idea what could have happened in a ship cabin or hotel room prior to your stay, so why would it matter. You might not even know what had happened in your house prior to you buying it.

 

What you said makes sense to me. And I think it's personal preference. Since I have read the cabin# from the Affidavit, I just don't feel comfortable staying in the same one. However, I do believe "anger management" is very important. This is the biggest lesson we should learn from the tragedy. Also, respect is the key for a good relationship.

[Loonbeam]

They will get upgraded or given move-over offers depending on what's available. Cabins go out of service for various reasons all the time, they just get upgrade priority.

 

But there will be some people booked into those cabins on the next cruise. What are they going to tell them? Where will they put them? EM

[fbgd]

What's also somewhat appalling is the angle the media is taking. The "evil cruise ship" angle is far more prevalent in various articles than the root issue of domestic violence.

 

I don't see why it's appalling. It's a murder that took place on a cruise ship! Yes, it is a case of domestic violence but you can't ignore the "stage".

[MrMan]

One would hope that those in adjacent cabins to the incident would get their entire cruise money back - or a future cruise free.

 

 

 

For the rest of the passengers, this should be acceptable.

 

 

 

Why?

 

 

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[Reader0108598]

I don't see why it's appalling. It's a murder that took place on a cruise ship! Yes, it is a case of domestic violence but you can't ignore the "stage".

 

 

Respectfully, do you really think the "stage" had anything to do with this? I am positive this is not the first time that woman was abused. You do not go from "honey I love you" to such violence .It is acquirred over time.

[floridalover5623]

Sorry, but people who do not want to know details shouldn't be reading this thread anyhow. It's only right that people know what the numbers were so they can be forewarned and request another room. If they prefer to live in the dark then they should stay off of the internet in general. (especially CC where details of anything imaginable is posted)

btw- it is public knowledge, like it or not.

[E@syPe@zy]

What you said makes sense to me. And I think it's personal preference. Since I have read the cabin# from the Affidavit, I just don't feel comfortable staying in the same one. However, I do believe "anger management" is very important. This is the biggest lesson we should learn from the tragedy. Also, respect is the key for a good relationship.

I'm sorry to say that respect and good relationships do not exist in a domestic violence situation. Most individuals are constantly working at a very delicate balancing act to keep things from going ballistic. This type of relationship is extremely complicated and likewise extremely dangerous. It's hard for someone that has never witnessed or been part of to understand. The best thing one can do is to get help and get out of such a volatile relationship however frightening the prospect.

My heart aches for the young woman and her family and friends. It is truly a tragedy.

[Lerin]

Not sure what cabin numbers being posted/ not posted has to do with anything? Do you all cross the street when a black cat comes near too?

 

As was mentioned earlier in the thread, every cruise ship has an average of 26 deaths a year.

Everyone of us has stayed in a cabin, hotel or home where either someone has died, been violently ill, been assaulted or done something horribly disgusting. This particular cabin will be cleaned(possibly even remodeled) much better than any of those.

 

My thoughts go out to the people involved, what a tragedy.

[Pierlesscruisers]

Cruise critic posted an article yesterday on the incident and they had the wrong picture, which was quickly pointed out :rolleyes:.

The picture it self was very burly and it had already been stated by the OP in the original post that it was the Emerald Princess, so I said "does it matter" - re: if it was the wrong photo (thinking to my self at that time, really - someone has just had their life taken away and you are worried that the ship photo is wrong, big freakin deal :()

 

Ah. First time I had looked at the picture they must have already changed it. I agree with the point that you were making. That is certainly not the way you want a cruise to be a truly memorable thing, that's for sure.

 

Tom

[Host CJSKIDS]

My comment was a little rough. Sorry about that.

 

Apology more than accepted.

Thanks for taking the time out to apologize, something very rare indeed!

[Pierlesscruisers]

FYI, when the article was first put up yesterday the picture that was used was a picture of the Crown Princess. The picture has since been changed.

 

Edit. This article still shows a picture of the Crown as of right now.

http://www.ktuu.com/content/news/FBI-investigating-cruise-ship-death-436754183.html

 

Yep, saw the reply from Khristy. It must have been already changed when I first saw it. Thanks.

 

Tom

[Host CJSKIDS]

A lot of information has been hitting the media sources today, so everyone is getting to see just how violent and disturbing this incident really was....that is, for those who are interested. I'll also refrain from posting the cabin #.

 

Thank you to the vast majority who kept this thread civil. I've been in law enforcement 24 years and I've seen my fair share of domestic cases....often the first to arrive. This is the sort of thing that is not only tragic at face value, but also for the first responders and witnesses who have to see what death really looks like. It's the sort of thing that changes a person. My heart bleeds for their daughter, family and other witnesses who had to intervene.

 

Thank you for starting the post in a very thoughtful way.

And thank you for being in law enforcement. You more than most know just how horrific this is.

[Reader0108598]

My lovely experience many many years ago as a teen . Got slapped around, for some reason thought that was okay. Last time he hit me left a hand imprint on my face when I was pregnant. Took a baseball bat to his car...remember teen! Police arrested me pregnant, hand print visible on my face! They did not care he was hitting me just that I damaged his car.

 

 

Thank god,I smartened up and have been married to a wonderful man for 37 years, my son's Papa!! People if you are in an abusive situation LEAVE now, it will only get worse! The child we raised is a vet and in LEO... lol actually so am I! :)

Edited July 27, 2017 by Reader0108598

[JudithLynne]

I am wondering if they might remove these cabins physically from the ship. I may not be remembering this correctly but there was a fire in a Princess cabin some years ago (Star?) and because of the extent of the damage to the cabin unit, it was removed and replaced with another. Of course, this would probably not happen until dry dock. I remember that my DH and I were fascinated that each cabin was a separate unit that could be removed and replaced.

[ONECRUISER]

Yep, saw the reply from Khristy. It must have been already changed when I first saw it. Thanks.

 

Tom

Yes, lot of times news organisations use stock footage or pictures. I've seen story on Royal Caribbean and they show a Carnival ship.

[Host CJSKIDS]

I am wondering if they might remove these cabins physically from the ship. I may not be remembering this correctly but there was a fire in a Princess cabin some years ago (Star?) and because of the extent of the damage to the cabin unit, it was removed and replaced with another. Of course, this would probably not happen until dry dock. I remember that my DH and I were fascinated that each cabin was a separate unit that could be removed and replaced.

 

I had one of those cabins and yes, the did remove the entire area and replace them. They had to as structurally they were all so badly damaged.

 

I'm sure this time around they will replace and simply re-do the rooms since there is nothing wrong with the room itself. As it's a crime scene, they will out of inventory for a while. But they will clean the rooms like they do any crime scene and replace what needs to be replaced.