CruiseGal999 Posted August 21, 2018 #151 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Originally posted by billslowsky Two accounts, 22 years apart. That is rare. Amazing how some people feel the need to invent stories that are not supported by facts, then double down each time they are proven wrong. The QM2 is story is false. No one was "charged" with anything. Deal with it. Yes, it is rare. And it shouldn't happen at all. https://www.cruiseshipdeaths.com/category/overboard-deaths/ I don't think passengers overboard are very rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billslowsky Posted August 21, 2018 #152 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Originally posted by billslowsky Two accounts, 22 years apart. That is rare. Amazing how some people feel the need to invent stories that are not supported by facts, then double down each time they are proven wrong. The QM2 is story is false. No one was "charged" with anything. Deal with it. https://www.cruiseshipdeaths.com/category/overboard-deaths/ I don't think passengers overboard are very rare. The discussion was specifically about men throwing women to their death overboard. Two incidents in the last 30 years, 22 years apart. Think again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billslowsky Posted August 21, 2018 #153 Share Posted August 21, 2018 I saw this today from a maritime attorney who I must presume knows more about this topic than all of us (except perhaps the random narcissist running about tossing fire LOL) - ‘Miami-based maritime attorney Jim Walker, an industry watchdog, says man-overboard incidents are not simple cases of “falling” or getting swept off a deck by the wind. “In my assessment,” he said, “alcohol is involved in about 40 percent of the cases. Ten percent are suicides. The remaining 50 percent are mysteries with a high percentage of these cases involving foul play. The most likely scenario we have seen are men throwing women overboard.” ‘ [/quote And a few years ago, the wife is thought to have her husband over the rail, whilst on their honeymoon. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Complete speculation. No facts. Who needs 'em? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfaaa Posted August 21, 2018 #154 Share Posted August 21, 2018 I saw this today from a maritime attorney who I must presume knows more about this topic than all of us (except perhaps the random narcissist running about tossing fire LOL) - ‘Miami-based maritime attorney Jim Walker, an industry watchdog, says man-overboard incidents are not simple cases of “falling” or getting swept off a deck by the wind. “In my assessment,” he said, “alcohol is involved in about 40 percent of the cases. Ten percent are suicides. The remaining 50 percent are mysteries with a high percentage of these cases involving foul play. The most likely scenario we have seen are men throwing women overboard.” ‘ LOL you are a fan of that guy. That says a lot about your credibility and expertise on this subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega1 Posted August 21, 2018 #155 Share Posted August 21, 2018 The discussion was specifically about men throwing women to their death overboard. Two incidents in the last 30 years, 22 years apart. Think again. My view, for what it’s worth, is that the reasons for people going overboard occur across different cruise lines, ferries, other passenger vessels in different jurisdictions around the world. Consequently, it is highly unlikely that there is an accurate or definitive collation of the reasons. We just don’t know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussie travel bird Posted August 21, 2018 #156 Share Posted August 21, 2018 If you can believe media reports, I smell a 'fish' here? Photo's of her exiting the rescue vessel in full makeup and hair 'just right' after a 10 hour ordeal just doesn't seem 'right'. Bet there's more to this story......Maybe then it is the benefits of yoga and singing. Might never know..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega1 Posted August 21, 2018 #157 Share Posted August 21, 2018 If you can believe media reports, I smell a 'fish' here? Photo's of her exiting the rescue vessel in full makeup and hair 'just right' after a 10 hour ordeal just doesn't seem 'right'. Bet there's more to this story......Maybe then it is the benefits of yoga and singing. Might never know..... To be fair, if you compare media and social media photos of her before the incident to those as she disembarked the rescue vessel there is a stark contrast. In the latter, her face is red and puffy in comparison and her hair appears straw like and somewhat wild in comparison to the ‘before’ photos. What seems odd to me, is the calmness and clarity of her comments to reporters and willingness to engage after such an ordeal. If that was me, I’d have exited the rescue vessel on a stretcher, a gibbering wreck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugar64 Posted August 21, 2018 #158 Share Posted August 21, 2018 How did she fell over board the news didnt say they said she tread water for 10hours and she was so thankful to be save Sent from my SM-G955U using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PATRLR Posted August 21, 2018 #159 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Complete speculation. No facts. Who needs 'em? LOL. Apparently not the regulars here on CC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmwman Posted August 21, 2018 #160 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Wonderful news! How terrifying it would be to be lost in the ocean![/qu Was she lost in the water? Everything I am reading is inviting me to think that the whole thing is made up by her. Her disposition on getting to Croatia was not I suggest that of a person marooned at sea in the water for 12 hours. Just my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davecttr Posted August 21, 2018 #161 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Some media reports here in the UK now say a crew member says she jumped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodsailors Posted August 21, 2018 #162 Share Posted August 21, 2018 She was stupid and drunk. Stop with the false narrative.[/quote As you seem to know everything about everything, prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodsailors Posted August 21, 2018 #163 Share Posted August 21, 2018 I will believe a story printed by multiple sources over your "I heard" silliness. So there is someone in this world who believes everything they read in the papers, guess there had to one. Such silliness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoniaFitts Posted August 21, 2018 #164 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Just don't climb up on the railings and you won't fall over Sent from my SM-T817V using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirsty_r Posted August 21, 2018 #165 Share Posted August 21, 2018 As it’s multiple newspapers with multiple sources I intend to believe there is some truth. They have also used close family and friends to formulate the story. It is clear the woman is having some mental health issues. Let’s hope she gets the help she needs. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPV072900 Posted August 21, 2018 #166 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Great news, but has a person ever accidentally fallen overboard? No, they're either drunk, having a fight with someone, or suidical. I've never felt afraid of the railings on a cruise ship. Sent from my SM-S727VL using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bell Boy Posted August 21, 2018 #167 Share Posted August 21, 2018 I would think as an air hostess she would possibly also know survival techniques for being in water. She is very fortunate to have survived. I have huge appreciation for those who searched and found her. However she ended up in the water she definitely didn’t just ‘fall’. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk As former airline personnel ( 40 years service before retirement) I doubt very much she'll be keeping her job as a cabin crew member. I certainly wouldn't want to be a passenger or a work colleague on her flight with an unstable crew member responsible for my safety . At the end of the day, she'll end up making thousands of pounds from newspaper/ magazine interviews and will be the next to appear in the Big Brother house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Solent Richard Posted August 21, 2018 #168 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Ok, I will say it and Sorry to sound cold but I don’t waste my sorrow in people like this. It is IMPOSSIBLE to “fall” overboard unless you either want to or are being an idiot. There are plenty of other sad things in the world for me to concern myself about And after all the 'bleeding hearts' comments across the cruise forum world it turns out your post was the first to hit the nail on the head. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Solent Richard Posted August 21, 2018 #169 Share Posted August 21, 2018 As former airline personnel ( 40 years service before retirement) I doubt very much she'll be keeping her job as a cabin crew member. I certainly wouldn't want to be a passenger or a work colleague on her flight with an unstable crew member responsible for my safety . At the end of the day, she'll end up making thousands of pounds from newspaper/ magazine interviews and will be the next idiot to appear in the Big Brother house. Ah, but she was a Virgin girl Bell Boy. :evilsmile: :evilsmile: She now has 'shrinking violet syndrome' and that initial lack of contrition she showed has returned to haunt her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pe4all Posted August 21, 2018 #170 Share Posted August 21, 2018 As former airline personnel ( 40 years service before retirement) I doubt very much she'll be keeping her job as a cabin crew member. I certainly wouldn't want to be a passenger or a work colleague on her flight with an unstable crew member responsible for my safety . At the end of the day, she'll end up making thousands of pounds from newspaper/ magazine interviews and will be the next idiot to appear in the Big Brother house. I hope you are right about her losing her job over this. I also hope they charge her for the additional costs (if any) for any search and rescue operations. It would also be great if they (somehow) made her pay for any fees/airfare changes the passengers incurred for missing their flights. There is a major difference in a ship being delayed due to a passenger's medical condition and a ship being delayed because of a passenger's being drunk/having a fight with their boyfriend, etc. and going overboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisiamc Posted August 21, 2018 #171 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Wonderful news! How terrifying it would be to be lost in the ocean![/qu Was she lost in the water? Everything I am reading is inviting me to think that the whole thing is made up by her. Her disposition on getting to Croatia was not I suggest that of a person marooned at sea in the water for 12 hours. Just my view. I think it would be really hard to make that up. It seems to be verified that she was a passenger on NCL Star and was seen on board late in the evening. Many passengers confirm that an announcement was made that someone was missing, and quite a few vessels were searching the area. It was also verified that the Croatian Coast Guard fished her out of the water. What do you think happened in between her going missing and being found, if she wasn’t treading water? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGGERLARRY Posted August 21, 2018 #172 Share Posted August 21, 2018 If I ever go on the Star again, I might go over, too. Sent from my VS995 using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRUIS4ME Posted August 21, 2018 #173 Share Posted August 21, 2018 It's a good thing people post their travel plans here, I will be sure to ask for seating right next to you should the opportunity arise. That's the best way to get factual news, eavesdrop from total strangers - there's no need to verify that way. My neighbor has a dachshund, and her groomer's grandmother's chiropractor told her grandmother about a patient whose favorite cashier at the grocery store was approached by mermaids on one of her cruises. I can't find anything at all about this on the internet, but it must be true because no one can prove that she didn't. Ahhh haaa haaaaaa. Thanks for the morning giggle. And we wonder how the Russians got people to vote for...well you know who! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
declansdad Posted August 21, 2018 #174 Share Posted August 21, 2018 I saw this today from a maritime attorney who I must presume knows more about this topic than all of us (except perhaps the random narcissist running about tossing fire LOL) - ‘Miami-based maritime attorney Jim Walker, an industry watchdog, says man-overboard incidents are not simple cases of “falling” or getting swept off a deck by the wind. “In my assessment,” he said, “alcohol is involved in about 40 percent of the cases. Ten percent are suicides. The remaining 50 percent are mysteries with a high percentage of these cases involving foul play. The most likely scenario we have seen are men throwing women overboard.” ‘ Jim Walker is an ambulance chaser and has zero credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatka Posted August 21, 2018 #175 Share Posted August 21, 2018 If I ever go on the Star again, I might go over, too. Sent from my VS995 using Forums mobile app Why? We will be on her on Sunday. I expect her to be just like Dawn minus aft kids area (even better!). Almost as good as Jewel class. I really hope nobody will try to delay our boarding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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