Smoking is such a nuisance on cruise ships

[Phaedrus78]

11 minutes ago, Newleno said:

trouble is like on the breakaway, the smokers have all the best areas of the ship, im talking outside, we all know about the casinos smokers paradise, but outside on the breakaway the best places belong to smokers

 

They ALLOW smokers.  I haven't been on the ship, but I'm guessing they aren't blocked off by velvet ropes and bouncers handing out cigarettes.

 

I get the beef with balconies for sure, but that's already illegal.  I get the beef with the casino too, it's indoors and I know that's difficult to deal with.  But this is OUTSIDE.  At the absolute back of the boat.  Come on man, you gotta give us something.  

[NLH Arizona]

28 minutes ago, cb at sea said:

Smoking used to be allowed EVERYWHERE....in airplanes, in stores...even in HOSPITALS!   Yes, in today's society, smoking is annoying, but when everyone (or so it seemed) was doing it,  it was tolerated.  In some places, it's still allowed, in clubs and bars!

 

If smokers stuck to the "allowed" areas, non-smokers could avoid them much better!

It was probably tolerated because we were all told that there were no health risks involved in smoking and second hand smoke.

Edited November 16, 2018 by NLH Arizona

[Georgia_Peaches]

On 11/15/2018 at 1:55 PM, cruiseseal said:

Any specific suggestions from your experience? Thanks.

Celebrity offers very limited smoking areas...nowhere inside and only 1 or 2 places outside.

[JamieLogical]

1 hour ago, Oceangal711 said:

Not sure what part of NYS you live in but it sounds draconian. What's next slapping donuts out of fat people hands?

 

The laws regarding smoking anywhere that has employees working is state-wide. This basically limits smoking to outside and inside of private residences. There are also laws about smoking in parks and on school grounds state-wide. There are also laws about smoking within a minimum distance of doors into and out of publicly accessible buildings. A few years ago, the college I work at opted to become completely tobacco free inside and out. No smoking is allowed on campus, even inside of cars in the parking lots. The last year, my condo complex voted to not allow any smoking outside. Owners can only smoke inside of their owner-occupied units (renters aren't allowed to smoke inside).

 

I don't see how you can argue that would "escalate" to slapping donuts out of people's hands... someone eating a donut isn't negatively impacting MY health. Inhaling second-hand smoke could...

[chengkp75]

8 minutes ago, JamieLogical said:

 

The laws regarding smoking anywhere that has employees working is state-wide. This basically limits smoking to outside and inside of private residences. There are also laws about smoking in parks and on school grounds state-wide. There are also laws about smoking within a minimum distance of doors into and out of publicly accessible buildings. A few years ago, the college I work at opted to become completely tobacco free inside and out. No smoking is allowed on campus, even inside of cars in the parking lots. The last year, my condo complex voted to not allow any smoking outside. Owners can only smoke inside of their owner-occupied units (renters aren't allowed to smoke inside).

 

I don't see how you can argue that would "escalate" to slapping donuts out of people's hands... someone eating a donut isn't negatively impacting MY health. Inhaling second-hand smoke could...

Actually, in addition to private residences, and private autos, the act allows smoking in hotel rooms and 25% of outdoor seating areas of restaurants and bars.

 

For those who think that the economic model that caused the Carnival non-smoking ship to fail (and one of the reasons was their inability to get crew to sail the ship), just remember that 37+ million Americans, better than 1 in 10 still smokes.  

 

I am not advocating smoking, I don't care about it, but I also don't see where there is any incentive for a non-US flag ship to comply with US laws or US mores about smoking, considering that 20%, or twice the US numbers, of the world population smoke (over 1 billion people), and countries where crew are from are some of the highest percentage of smokers in the world:  Indonesia at 40%, Philippines at 43%, Pakistan at 41%, Romania at 37%.  Nearly all of Southeast Asia and Eastern Europe are at the 40% range.

[CruisinHarvey]

On 11/15/2018 at 2:56 PM, Newleno said:

Empirical evidence with statistical significance indicates NCL would make more money if they banned smokers,  ncl should do some studies/trials to determine if the program would  increase revenue.  If they adopted such a strategy because of evidence then anyone caught smoking should be kicked off the ship at the next port.  I would not be surprised if the study indicated over a 93% reductory therefore concluding it would be in the best interest of ncl corp to BAN smokers from their ships

 

So your saying that NCL hasn't done enough research to know they could make more money if they banned smokers, but you have?  It's all about competition. According to the CDC 15.5 percent of the American population still smoke.  That's a much higher percentage  in Europe. I would be willing to make a large wager that NCL does not lose 15.5 percent of their potential guests, since they allow smoking. Their competitors allow it, so will NCL, not to lose market share.      

[IrieBajan54]

The Carnival Paradise is a bad comparison. One ship among many including the competition.

 

I remember when a startup airline called Muse Air went head to head with Southwest Airlines. One of the amenities was "smoke free." It didn't work because SWA allowed smoking. Today, Southwest Airlines is smoke free. The Carnival Paradise like Muse Air was simply ahead of the times.

Edited November 16, 2018 by IrieBajan54
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[purpleally]

If you are smoking on a balcony and I can see it and/or smell it, I'm calling on you

i did it several times on my last cruise. It is not fair to me to not be able to use my balcony because you are breaking the rules. Don't even get me started about the safety part!

[cathi007]

19 hours ago, Phaedrus78 said:

We’ll give you guys back the casino if you let us have our balconies. 😉

Yeah it does suck that there is no smoking on balconies for smokers. When I was a smoker that was the biggest reason why I got a balcony room. I would gladly trade the casino for the balcony, but I'm probably in the minority. Sorry 😉

[chengkp75]

2 minutes ago, IrieBajan54 said:

The Carnival Paradise is a bad comparison. One ship among many including the competition.

 

I remember when a startup airline called Muse Air went head to head with Southwest Airlines. One of the amenities was "smoke free." It didn't work because SWA allowed smoking. Today, Southwest Airlines is smoke free. Muse Air like the Carnival's Paradise was simply ahead of it's time.

Uh, you do realize that SouthWest is smoke free due to federal regulations?  So, while Muse may have been ahead of time, there is a regulatory aspect to airlines and smoking that doesn't exist with cruise ships.

[cathi007]

10 hours ago, Trimone said:

Until you stop smoking, you don’t realise how much smokers smell, very unpleasant 

OMG that is so true! I remember when I first quit and my sister didn't. I would pick her up and the smell. I asked one of my friends who never smoked, did I smell like that, she said yes. I was so embarrassed. 

[Casino Comp Chick]

Oh boy!, another smoking thread. 

 

Chances are I hate the smell of your perfume or hair spray just as much as you hate my cigarettes but in a floating city we both have to deal with it. 

 

 

 

[chengkp75]

2 minutes ago, purpleally said:

If you are smoking on a balcony and I can see it and/or smell it, I'm calling on you

i did it several times on my last cruise. It is not fair to me to not be able to use my balcony because you are breaking the rules. Don't even get me started about the safety part!

Again, while not promoting smoking, don't go there about safety.  I know of no case where smoking on a ship's balcony ever caused a fire.  And before you trot out the Star Princess, the investigation stated that the "likely" cause was a cigarette, "since no definitive cause could be found", and they could not replicate a cigarette igniting a Princess towel under controlled environment, despite their best efforts.  Especially since the balconies have been fitted with either sprinklers or low combustible materials, the balconies are just as safe as any designated smoking area.

[NLH Arizona]

2 minutes ago, cathi007 said:

OMG that is so true! I remember when I first quit and my sister didn't. I would pick her up and the smell. I asked one of my friends who never smoked, did I smell like that, she said yes. I was so embarrassed. 

I remember when it dawned on me a few months after I quit smoking, I couldn't believe that no one told me how bad the smell was.  

[Oceangal711]

1 hour ago, JamieLogical said:

 

The laws regarding smoking anywhere that has employees working is state-wide. This basically limits smoking to outside and inside of private residences. There are also laws about smoking in parks and on school grounds state-wide. There are also laws about smoking within a minimum distance of doors into and out of publicly accessible buildings. A few years ago, the college I work at opted to become completely tobacco free inside and out. No smoking is allowed on campus, even inside of cars in the parking lots. The last year, my condo complex voted to not allow any smoking outside. Owners can only smoke inside of their owner-occupied units (renters aren't allowed to smoke inside).

 

I don't see how you can argue that would "escalate" to slapping donuts out of people's hands... someone eating a donut isn't negatively impacting MY health. Inhaling second-hand smoke could...

Thank god I live in NYC we are much more laid back. People smoke and enjoy the parks and beaches as we are outside. I guess we are all law breakers. I couldn't live anywhere that up tight. Jeez. But then again just breathing the air here is not good for your health, but hell it is the greatest city in the world.

[cathi007]

10 minutes ago, Casino Comp Chick said:

Oh boy!, another smoking thread. 

 

Chances are I hate the smell of your perfume or hair spray just as much as you hate my cigarettes but in a floating city we both have to deal with it. 

 

 

 

I don't wear perfume or hair spray. Trust me, I smoked for 25 years, smokers stink, you just don't realize because you smoke, but if and when you quit you will realize it, like I did. I still sneak a smoke every now and then (if I have a few drinks and I am with smokers I will have 1) and I notice the smell on me. It's just a fact

[3kidsncats]

20 hours ago, Phaedrus78 said:

We’ll give you guys back the casino if you let us have our balconies. 😉

Sure, when you can keep your smoke on your balcony.  I have no desire for your smoke to ruin my enjoyment of my balcony.  I am never able to go in a casino, anywhere, because of the smoke issue.  

 

[3kidsncats]

4 hours ago, Oceangal711 said:

Not sure what part of NYS you live in but it sounds draconian. What's next slapping donuts out of fat people hands?

Difference is, you eating a donut doesn't add any fat to someone else's rear end

 

[OceanBlueWaters]

There are limited areas where people can smoke (mostly outside).  Got it.  Who is policing the RUDE people at elevators/buffet/jogging track/Theater lines/Bars/etc.?  Smoking is the least of the problems.  Can someone harness and reel in the RUDE people so others can have an enjoyable cruise?  Oh wait.  No can do.  There would be no pax on any cruise...

🙂

[Oceangal711]

54 minutes ago, 3kidsncats said:

Difference is, you eating a donut doesn't add any fat to someone else's rear end

 

Yeah but their fat rear end spills over into my theater seat.

[OceanBlueWaters]

3 hours ago, JamieLogical said:

 

The laws regarding smoking anywhere that has employees working is state-wide. This basically limits smoking to outside and inside of private residences. There are also laws about smoking in parks and on school grounds state-wide. There are also laws about smoking within a minimum distance of doors into and out of publicly accessible buildings. A few years ago, the college I work at opted to become completely tobacco free inside and out. No smoking is allowed on campus, even inside of cars in the parking lots. The last year, my condo complex voted to not allow any smoking outside. Owners can only smoke inside of their owner-occupied units (renters aren't allowed to smoke inside).

 

I don't see how you can argue that would "escalate" to slapping donuts out of people's hands... someone eating a donut isn't negatively impacting MY health. Inhaling second-hand smoke could...

No need to go into so much personal info!  Relax!  LOL!  Marijuana is being legalized everywhere.  Let's see how this plays out in the future.  Until then, let smokers have their space.  They follow the rules (hopefully) where or where they cannot smoke. 

I foresee this going into a totally different direction with the Marijuana debate.  Now Cruise Lines will have to accommodate Marijuana? Maybe a few years out, but it will definitely be a debate here on CC...

 

JMO

[quickrate]

On 11/15/2018 at 2:58 PM, NLH Arizona said:

I for one don't mind smokers, but what I do mind are the ones that won't obey the rules like smoking on balconies or smoking in the casino when not playing.  

Or sitting at a row of non-smoking machines and puffing away. 

[Two Wheels Only]

1 hour ago, OceanBlueWaters said:

Marijuana is being legalized everywhere....

I foresee this going into a totally different direction with the Marijuana debate.  Now Cruise Lines will have to accommodate Marijuana?

 

Cruise lines don't "have to" allow smoking of any kind. If NCL does or doesn't allow marijuana, that is entirely up to NCL.

[3kidsncats]

2 hours ago, OceanBlueWaters said:

No need to go into so much personal info!  Relax!  LOL!  Marijuana is being legalized everywhere.  Let's see how this plays out in the future.  Until then, let smokers have their space.  They follow the rules (hopefully) where or where they cannot smoke. 

I foresee this going into a totally different direction with the Marijuana debate.  Now Cruise Lines will have to accommodate Marijuana? Maybe a few years out, but it will definitely be a debate here on CC...

 

JMO

Lots of people don't follow the rules, including plenty of smokers.  I was at the hospital recently, to pick someone up after surgery, and watched a woman sit down on a bench, that had a large sign attached "no smoking".  She proceeded to light up, another person joined her, and their combined smoke came straight to me.  Don't tell people to relax -- so condescending .  JamieLogical's comments weren't excessively personal, and she is free to comment politely the same as everyone else.  As a non-smoker, I'm happy for smokers to "have their space" as long as their smoke respects my space.  

[3kidsncats]

2 hours ago, Oceangal711 said:

Yeah but their fat rear end spills over into my theater seat.

True, that's why a lot of airlines require them to buy a second seat.