Oasis incident at Freeport Shipyard

[Treyatl2006]

6 minutes ago, Pratique said:

I agree and think that the shipyard will do whatever it can to squeeze Oasis into the drydock schedule. Social media photos from today show that there's already a crane over the Aquatheater, so it may be safe to say that work has already begun. The shipyard has an incentive to complete the job on time so they can say that they stepped up to the plate on short notice to help Royal out.

Probably so... I was just shocked by how much they still needed to do from the video. I thought they'd probably be wrapping it up by now. 

[Pratique]

2 minutes ago, Treyatl2006 said:

Probably so... I was just shocked by how much they still needed to do from the video. I thought they'd probably be wrapping it up by now. 

Well it could get interesting if they are waiting for the laborers working on Sunrise to shift over to Oasis, unless they can bring in more help.

[fsjosh]

50 minutes ago, Pratique said:

I wouldn't be surprised if there is a bonus for finishing early, or a penalty for finishing late. From what I've read in the Cadiz media, it seems like this job is a big deal to the shipyard and they want to show everyone they are up to the task.

 

I'd say theres a certain amount of professional pride involved with being the ones who fixed another shipyard's screw up. Also probably helps to get more business in the future. 

[willde]

30 minutes ago, Pratique said:

Well it could get interesting if they are waiting for the laborers working on Sunrise to shift over to Oasis, unless they can bring in more help.

 

I would expect that Oasis needs mostly structure specialists first, while Sunrise should be well past those at at this stage?

Edited April 17, 2019 by willde

[Pratique]

19 minutes ago, willde said:

 

I would expect that Oasis needs mostly structure specialists first, while Sunrise should be well past those at at this stage?

I think that the people doing the azipod work traveled with the ship to Cadiz? Not sure. But if so, they should able to get going on that as soon as the dry dock is ready.

[twangster]

1 hour ago, Barklee said:

...and  a couple of conex containers

 

Containers of gold used to bribe the ship yard into taking her on such short notice.

 

Probably the new bearings that never got installed at GBSY.

[chengkp75]

13 minutes ago, Pratique said:

I think that the people doing the azipod work traveled with the ship to Cadiz? Not sure. But if so, they should able to get going on that as soon as the dry dock is ready.

The shipyard will provide their own "wheel gang" (the name for the workers who do the propeller work in the yard), but yes, likely the ABB techs that were in Freeport took the ride over.  They are supervisors, while the wheel gang does the heavy lifting.

 

Shipyards typically have more than one project underway, so there are enough workers to go around with Oasis and Sunrise.  Yes, Oasis needs welders and fitters, Sunrise is doing mostly sub-contractor work in the hotel, so these are not shipyard employees anyway.  She may be finishing up electrical and electronic work, as I understand the bridge was torn right out to upgrade the navigational systems.

 

European shipyards are some of the best when it comes to estimating ship repair jobs.  They would have had estimators onboard from the time it was decided to go to Cadiz, and they would have the estimates down to the hour, the number of workers,  and the dollar before the ship even left Freeport.  Unfortunately, US shipyards, with their attachment to US Navy contracts have lost this ability many years ago, another reason the US cannot compete in the ship repair business.

[Pratique]

10 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

European shipyards are some of the best when it comes to estimating ship repair jobs.  They would have had estimators onboard from the time it was decided to go to Cadiz, and they would have the estimates down to the hour, the number of workers,  and the dollar before the ship even left Freeport.

Do you think that Cadiz was selected before they got the estimate?

Edited April 17, 2019 by Pratique

[chengkp75]

1 minute ago, Pratique said:

Do you think that Cadiz was selected before they got the estimate?

Yes, mostly due to dock availability, though closeness to "trade route" is another consideration.  Not sure if the docks in France or Holland are available.

[Paul in Phoenix]

2 hours ago, scooby1 said:

Well they aren't waiting around looking at the job. 

 

Crane already in action, getting things on or off. 

 

 

 

That Crane better not fall over!

[AlanF65]

1 hour ago, chengkp75 said:

US Navy contracts have lost this ability many years ago, another reason the US cannot compete in the ship repair business.

Do you think part of that may be because they need to be the lowest bid and then document every change before moving on?

 

Where in the case of these repairs any "hidden damage" or "change this" directives are probably proceed and bill if under x$., if over x$ proceed and get approval and if over y$ wait for approval or delay until fall.

[A&L_Ont]

The area between the two arrows is what some have mentioning as the missing balcony rails and wood top ledge. 

 

 

How it looked prior to the accident. 

 

[willde]

2 hours ago, Paul in Phoenix said:

That Crane better not fall over!

 

 Should be okay ... as long as the wharf doesn't collapse!  🥴

[Treyatl2006]

4 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

 

Shipyards typically have more than one project underway, so there are enough workers to go around with Oasis and Sunrise.  Yes, Oasis needs welders and fitters, Sunrise is doing mostly sub-contractor work in the hotel, so these are not shipyard employees anyway.  She may be finishing up electrical and electronic work, as I understand the bridge was torn right out to upgrade the navigational systems.

 

The Sunrise started hotel updates about 8 months ago and had most of the cabins updated before entering drydock. The video I saw had alot of work that needed to be done on the outside with a ton of freight cargo containers on the outside decks. Carnival is saying that the ships progress is still on schedule. 

[fsjosh]

Sunrise is on the move.

[PhoenixCruiser]

Excellent updates!

[volk904]

Just a guess but I think those steel pieces look like the frame work to replace the damage balcony and part at the top of the ship.  Remember before the accident the bow was never going to be out of the water in Freeport.   The containers probably have the Azopod parts.   

 

 

[Aim1]

Sunrise is ready for new sea trials now

 

and the dry dock is getting readied for Oasis. Needs more blocks than Sunrise as she’s got much more booty on her! 😂

 

 

[chengkp75]

9 hours ago, AlanF65 said:

Do you think part of that may be because they need to be the lowest bid and then document every change before moving on?

 

Where in the case of these repairs any "hidden damage" or "change this" directives are probably proceed and bill if under x$., if over x$ proceed and get approval and if over y$ wait for approval or delay until fall.

US Navy contracts are on a "cost plus" basis, and the Navy has no urgency in getting ships back into service.  While a commercial ship is lucky to get 2 weeks in shipyard every 5 years, the Navy will park a ship there for up to 18 months.

 

The repairs to Oasis, if any "hidden damage" is discovered, is estimated as it is discovered, on site, not "we'll get an estimator on it tomorrow, and they'll get back to you in a couple of days with a cost", and the price and timeline will be agreed upon between the yard's superintendent and RCI's technical superintendent on the spot.

[chengkp75]

6 hours ago, Treyatl2006 said:

 

The Sunrise started hotel updates about 8 months ago and had most of the cabins updated before entering drydock. The video I saw had alot of work that needed to be done on the outside with a ton of freight cargo containers on the outside decks. Carnival is saying that the ships progress is still on schedule. 

Those containers are most likely mostly empty or full of trash.  Crane service in a drydock is a scarce commodity for the owner's use, the shipyard of course gets priority in getting their jobs done first.  So, typically, those containers, even if empty of all the furnishings, carpet, whatever, are left onboard to be removed by crane in the layberth as the crane is solely for the owner's account there.

[Shellygal]

She’s lovely. So sad we didn’t get to board her.  I’m a crane orphan. 

[fsjosh]

Some more pics of the empty drydock.

[biffco]

Does anyone know if any of the Oasis class ships have previously used this specific drydock in Cadiz?  Based on some "very rough" Google Maps measurements, it looks like a pretty tight squeeze?

[A&L_Ont]

6 minutes ago, biffco said:

Does anyone know if any of the Oasis class ships have previously used this specific drydock in Cadiz?  Based on some "very rough" Google Maps measurements, it looks like a pretty tight squeeze?

 

Oasis and Allure both had their previous 5 year dry docks there.

[biffco]

Just now, A&L_Ont said:

 

Oasis and Allure both had their previous 5 year dry docks there.

 

Thanks A&L_Ont!