Corona Virus.. anyone worried??

[cscurlock]

5 minutes ago, flyguyjake said:

New State Dept travel advisory has hit the local news stations. They are reporting it as ALL US citizens. "Advising US citizens not to take cruises to prevent becoming infected"

The government is basically over trying to do prevention and are going toward mitigation.  The virus currently will always be 1 step ahead of the government with the tools currently at their disposal.  People can touch something at the hotel right before the cruise and all these checks would fail.  The 14 day incubation period just cant be overcome easily.

[flyguyjake]

3 minutes ago, cscurlock said:

The government is basically over trying to do prevention and are going toward mitigation.  The virus currently will always be 1 step ahead of the government with the tools currently at their disposal.  People can touch something at the hotel right before the cruise and all these checks would fail.  The 14 day incubation period just cant be overcome easily.

You are right

[JAMESCC]

We are sailing Oasis May 10th and if its sailing we will be on her. We had this booked since last summer and have been looking forward to it big time. I really hope it doesn't get cancelled on us.

[Jmulks]

When are the fire sales starting? Would love an under 60 only cruise. 

[MommaBear55]

As someone who is high risk, I'm glad my next cruise isn't for 6 months. By then we will definitely know the full effect of the coronavirus. If my Italy cruise was next week, I wouldn't be going. I am going to Cancun next week as we'll be out in the sunshine. Whether or not we are going to San Francisco at the end of the month is undetermined.

Edited March 9, 2020 by MommaBear55

[frito58]

57 minutes ago, Michelle H said:

 

Honestly it's almost irresponsible to cruise right now, and the cruise lines honestly should cancel cruises for a few weeks at least at a minimum. Since there's no vaccine or way to really control this currently, the only way to stop the spread is by stopping people who are carriers from giving it to others. If one person on the ship is a carrier, think about the hundreds of crew and people they come into contact with during a cruise that they're spreading it to, who then bring it back to their corner of the world after the cruise. I'm not saying a full on "never leave your house" is the right move, but a cruise is a self-contained ecosystem, and is being used to propagate the virus.

So what about Vegas  , Atlantic City , every casino in every state ?  They are small places packed with people ? We were actually in Ky Downs Saturday it was literally packed not a big place but had to 3-4 thousand people there and when left people were searching for parking spots . You know damn well the government wont shut down casinos . Every mall in America ? I can on and On , Heck I was at church today with over 200 people in a small place and I actually shook hands with some of them … Oh the horror . You either live and go or hide . Yes I did wash my hands when we stopped to eat .. On my we ate at a buffet at Shoneys . 

[SG65CB]

5 minutes ago, frito58 said:

So what about Vegas  , Atlantic City , every casino in every state ?  They are small places packed with people ? We were actually in Ky Downs Saturday it was literally packed not a big place but had to 3-4 thousand people there and when left people were searching for parking spots . You know damn well the government wont shut down casinos . Every mall in America ? I can on and On , Heck I was at church today with over 200 people in a small place and I actually shook hands with some of them … Oh the horror . You either live and go or hide . Yes I did wash my hands when we stopped to eat .. On my we ate at a buffet at Shoneys . 

 

Were they wiping down the slot machines between users? Bring your own Clorox wipes and clean the handle before putting in your money?

 

People are shaking hands less - I went to a concert yesterday and at the preshow meet-and-greet before taking pictures with people the singer announced that he would not be shaking hands with anyone. Similar scenes in the lobby, people greeting one another and laughing while tapping their shoes or elbows together. 

 

[TNcruising02]

8 minutes ago, frito58 said:

So what about Vegas  , Atlantic City , every casino in every state ?  They are small places packed with people ? We were actually in Ky Downs Saturday it was literally packed not a big place but had to 3-4 thousand people there and when left people were searching for parking spots . You know damn well the government wont shut down casinos . Every mall in America ? I can on and On , Heck I was at church today with over 200 people in a small place and I actually shook hands with some of them … Oh the horror . You either live and go or hide . Yes I did wash my hands when we stopped to eat .. On my we ate at a buffet at Shoneys . 

Exactly!  It's not like the only people being exposed are those who cruise.  Everyone is being exposed by going anywhere near a public area or being near someone who has been in a public area.

[time4u2go]

10 minutes ago, frito58 said:

So what about Vegas  , Atlantic City , every casino in every state ?  They are small places packed with people ? We were actually in Ky Downs Saturday it was literally packed not a big place but had to 3-4 thousand people there and when left people were searching for parking spots . You know damn well the government wont shut down casinos . Every mall in America ? I can on and On , Heck I was at church today with over 200 people in a small place and I actually shook hands with some of them … Oh the horror . You either live and go or hide . Yes I did wash my hands when we stopped to eat .. On my we ate at a buffet at Shoneys . 

Your points are valid.  But the one thing about all of the examples you cited is that if a person was to catch the virus at one of those places, they wouldn't be quarantined on a cruise ship.  I think that in a lot of cases of people posting here, that's their biggest fear.

[colesc15]

Just now, time4u2go said:

Your points are valid.  But the one thing about all of the examples you cited is that if a person was to catch the virus at one of those places, they wouldn't be quarantined on a cruise ship.  I think that in a lot of cases of people posting here, that's their biggest fear.

100% my fear. Not even just that, but we're going out of Puerto Rico. If we do get quarantined, after the 14 days, would I be able to fly home?? 

[TNcruising02]

2 minutes ago, time4u2go said:

Your points are valid.  But the one thing about all of the examples you cited is that if a person was to catch the virus at one of those places, they wouldn't be quarantined on a cruise ship.  I think that in a lot of cases of people posting here, that's their biggest fear.

That is a legitimate concern.  The only positive would be that at least I wouldn't be giving it to innocent people at the airport, the supermarket, work, and other places before I even realized I had it.

[CuseJeff44]

Honestly, as someone with mild asthma, my worry extends beyond the cruise. I'll gladly wait 6 months or a year if needed as long as I 100% know I will still be here to take it... 😐

[LMaxwell]

18 minutes ago, frito58 said:

So what about Vegas  , Atlantic City , every casino in every state ?  They are small places packed with people ? We were actually in Ky Downs Saturday it was literally packed not a big place but had to 3-4 thousand people there and when left people were searching for parking spots . You know damn well the government wont shut down casinos . Every mall in America ? I can on and On , Heck I was at church today with over 200 people in a small place and I actually shook hands with some of them … Oh the horror . You either live and go or hide . Yes I did wash my hands when we stopped to eat .. On my we ate at a buffet at Shoneys . 

 

Sounds like nothing will stop you from a cruise 

[frito58]

8 minutes ago, TNcruising02 said:

Exactly!  It's not like the only people being exposed are those who cruise.  Everyone is being exposed by going anywhere near a public area or being near someone who has been in a public area.

Plus if a person in Vegas has it he could give to what 100 of thousands  of people if that person really made the rounds .  Even a grocery store Walmart Target .. Wherever there is people . 

[frito58]

1 minute ago, LMaxwell said:

 

Sounds like nothing will stop you from a cruise 

Unless they cancel or basically tell us if we go Europe we cant come back then yes we wont go . We have a couple of months to figure it out . 

[johnjen]

Just hope that everyone quits their panicking, quit buying hand sanitizer over "fear" and stop being gullible sheep. TURN OFF the news, and just go have fun. And stop being a sheeple.

 

 

[frito58]

11 minutes ago, time4u2go said:

Your points are valid.  But the one thing about all of the examples you cited is that if a person was to catch the virus at one of those places, they wouldn't be quarantined on a cruise ship.  I think that in a lot of cases of people posting here, that's their biggest fear.

Well talked about that as well . I mean we both take some medications , I have to wear an ostomy because of the cancer I had so I mean if we got delayed for a LONG time . Yes it could be trouble , but we are retired so where we are doesn't really matter except for the dogs but we have a great dog sitter . I wouldn't want to be somewhere overseas for a Long extended time unless they are footing the bill . 🙂 

[LMaxwell]

1 minute ago, frito58 said:

Plus if a person in Vegas has it he could give to what 100 of thousands  of people if that person really made the rounds .  Even a grocery store Walmart Target .. Wherever there is people . 

 

Conventions, shows, all kinds of events have been and are being cancelled. 

I am sure there are still plenty of people in Vegas, not a ghost town, so you make valid points. 

 

But a cruise ship is close quarters for extended duration and this virus is proving particularly harmful to senior citizens and/or those with chronic health issues...this describes a LOT of cruisers.  The fatality rate in those over 75 is just under 15%.  That is astronomical.  Who knows what the future holds, but it would seem like a moratorium on cruising for 30-45 days with ships going through DEEP cleansing procedures would be prudent. I don't think the industry has the power or resources to totally manage this on their own. There isn't exactly a text book to follow for these kind of events. So, just because super markets and casinos exists and also can be areas of transmitting viruses, it is completely separate from doing something about addressing cruise ships as potential havens for transmission and "whatabout"ism is a zero sum game in this thing, I'd reckon.  Always reacting and having mini-crisis day after day is not going to improve things.  

 

I understand "Living life" and enjoying oneself, but doing so also means making rational choices based on the facts at hand.  I simply can't understand the frequent cruisers who are digging in their heels determined to get onboard in the next month when, if they don't, they remove all kinds of risk, and have no financial loss due to temporary cancellation policies in effect.  Of course people would be disappointed, that's natural, I'm not going to gloat at them.  I have a cruise in 2 weeks that I am going to cancel, whatever, not a big deal...get on another ship in 6 months going to same ports anyways.  Too many variables at play beyond just the cruise itself to contend with. 

[flyguyjake]

9 minutes ago, frito58 said:

Plus if a person in Vegas has it he could give to what 100 of thousands  of people if that person really made the rounds .  Even a grocery store Walmart Target .. Wherever there is people . 

 

yup. In China they take your temp before entering any store. They sanitize every cart before a person takes it and they are keeping people 6ft apart at all times in the stores. Which makes me wonder how bad things will get here before we must take such measures.

[SherriZ366]

As the State Department issued the warning, the Government will need to use some of the $8.5 billion to help the cruise industry make it through this period.  The stock is probably going to go lower tomorrow.  It was in the 60's on Friday -- down from about 120's - 130's a few months ago.  I've read a lot of accounts of the meeting that VP Pence had with the industry executives and Fl. Governor and Senators, and the State Department warning is different from what came out of the meeting.  

4 minutes ago, flyguyjake said:

 

yup. In China they take your temp before entering any store. They sanitize every cart before a person takes it and they are keeping people 6ft apart at all times in the stores. Which makes me wonder how bad things will get here before we must take such measures.

 

[flyguyjake]

2 minutes ago, SherriZ366 said:

warning is different from what came out of the meeting.  

So you think the updated state dept advisory is a surprise to Cruise lines?

[SherriZ366]

18 minutes ago, flyguyjake said:

So you think the updated state dept advisory is a surprise to Cruise lines?

I guess they were told about it.  Or maybe it came from bureaucrats in  the bowels of the State Department, who may not coordinate with the Political leader.  I worked on Capitol Hill and also lobbied for many years so I'm familiar with the dynamics.  My point is that the two messages are different although todays events with the Princess ships and Carnival Panorama may have prompted the State Department to issue the travel warning.    

[AlohaLivin]

1 hour ago, johnjen said:

and stop being gullible sheep.

No sense shaming people, their decision for their lives is no less valid than your decision for your life. Just because you aren’t afraid and I am not afraid doesn’t mean that the person who heeds the clear medical cautions about travel is a fool or an idiot.
 

Some peop;e are overreacting, yes, fear does that - but it is unfair to lump the people making decisions not to cruise now with the people who are stockpiling gallons of hand sanitizer and boxes of masks (and maybe prepping for end times).

Edited March 9, 2020 by AlohaLivin

[gammite]

the misinformation and cavalier attitude about this situation is mind boggling here.

 

there are countries that have literally quarantined entire cities and people  on this forum are saying this is not a big deal.  

 

there have been multiple cruise ships with breakouts of the virus and people suffering through quarantines.

 

i can't believe some of these comments.

[flyguyjake]

For anyone who nerds out on data, here is an interactive Covid-19 Global map created by Johns Hopkins CSSE

 

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6