bluesea321 Posted April 13, 2020 #526 Share Posted April 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, mimip said: Two forums were merged, so this is not just a Princess forum. The two forums that were merged are both Princess forums. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedferg Posted April 13, 2020 #527 Share Posted April 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, bluesea321 said: The two forums that were merged are both Princess forums. I agree with you, and just to make it clearer, two TOPICS / THREADS were merged. You are correct they were both on Princess Forum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimip Posted April 13, 2020 #528 Share Posted April 13, 2020 When searching for information on this topic, I was directed to this site. It has been very helpful, even though I am not booked on Princess. So very sorry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesea321 Posted April 13, 2020 #529 Share Posted April 13, 2020 24 minutes ago, Tedferg said: I agree with you, and just to make it clearer, two TOPICS / THREADS were merged. You are correct they were both on Princess Forum That's right, I should have said "threads", not "forums" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potstech Posted April 14, 2020 #530 Share Posted April 14, 2020 11 hours ago, mimip said: No, we are on Celebrity, which requires this letter, downloaded from their site. Norwegian has one too, but it is not so detailed. I have spoken to Celebrity and have been told they do not know how long their requirement will last. And no, the CDC did not order this. It was the cruise line that put it in place. Thank you for providing information on what other cruise lines are requiring so some of us can see the trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caribill Posted April 14, 2020 #531 Share Posted April 14, 2020 21 hours ago, molly361 said: Is Princess still supposed to make some announcement tomorrow? Yes, but it may not be early in the day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WmFCoyote Posted April 14, 2020 Author #532 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Well, Princess did make an announcement. They are suspending cruises thru the end of June. Great compensation for the canceled cruises. PCL is willing to give us back 100% of my cruise fare. We hope this includes insurance, fees and taxes. But they did not address the "FTS" letter so they will not be getting another "loan" from us. We could not chance the other option which included a FCC and a bonus 25% for another cruise as they are keeping us in limbo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Tiger Fan Posted April 14, 2020 #533 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Disappointing announcement but not unexpected. Wonder if they really believe people will book cruises on the Ruby for July? After all the problems it’s had in Australia I’m thinking it needs a Fit to Sail letter! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beg3yrs Posted April 14, 2020 #534 Share Posted April 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, WmFCoyote said: Well, Princess did make an announcement. They are suspending cruises thru the end of June. Great compensation for the canceled cruises. PCL is willing to give us back 100% of my cruise fare. We hope this includes insurance, fees and taxes. But they did not address the "FTS" letter so they will not be getting another "loan" from us. We could not chance the other option which included a FCC and a bonus 25% for another cruise as they are keeping us in limbo. If you check out this link: https://www.princess.com/plan/cruise-with-confidence/keeping-you-safe-and-healthy/, you will see the third bullet-point under Enhancing Health Requirements point to a underlying severe, chronic medical condition as a reason to be denied boarding and to contact Princess ahead of time if you think you fit this description. I personally don't think Princess is going to add an age threshold. Contacting Princess ahead of time should let you know if you're going to meet their criteria (as yet unstated) or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted April 14, 2020 #535 Share Posted April 14, 2020 34 minutes ago, WmFCoyote said: But they did not address the "FTS" letter so they will not be getting another "loan" from us. We could not chance the other option which included a FCC and a bonus 25% for another cruise as they are keeping us in limbo. 26 minutes ago, beg3yrs said: If you check out this link: https://www.princess.com/plan/cruise-with-confidence/keeping-you-safe-and-healthy/, you will see the third bullet-point under Enhancing Health Requirements point to a underlying severe, chronic medical condition as a reason to be denied boarding and to contact Princess ahead of time if you think you fit this description. I personally don't think Princess is going to add an age threshold. Contacting Princess ahead of time should let you know if you're going to meet their criteria (as yet unstated) or not. beg3yrs has steered us to a great link. When I looked at it, there is a much more in depth explanation of what to expect in a 5 page document that outlines Pre Cruise issues, issues at embarkation, and issues during your cruise. What struck me was the following from that document: "I. If you have been in contact with a suspected or confirmed case of COVID-19, or a person under monitoring for COVID-19. II. If you are suffering from a fever or flu-like symptoms prior to embarkation. III. If you have an underlying severe chronic medical condition. The above requirements apply to all guests, crew members, service staff and visitors. " There is no mention of any requirement for a Fit To Sail Letter for anybody and no mention of a passenger's age at all. If you're healthy, you sail. They are also very specific that if you have a chronic medical condition, it must be severe before you need to contact Princess. WmFCoyote, I think this should answer your question. You will never see any cruise line come out with a definitive statement that they are NOT doing this or that, they will only report what they ARE doing. I would think that you're going to be good to go. I hope this helps answer your very valid concerns. The five page document may be found here: https://www.princess.com/downloads/pdf/plan/Health-Advisory-and-Travel-Safety-Procedures.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potstech Posted April 14, 2020 #536 Share Posted April 14, 2020 2 hours ago, beg3yrs said: If you check out this link: https://www.princess.com/plan/cruise-with-confidence/keeping-you-safe-and-healthy/, you will see the third bullet-point under Enhancing Health Requirements point to a underlying severe, chronic medical condition as a reason to be denied boarding and to contact Princess ahead of time if you think you fit this description. I personally don't think Princess is going to add an age threshold. Contacting Princess ahead of time should let you know if you're going to meet their criteria (as yet unstated) or not. After sending this posting to Princess Customer Services. Received a voice mail from Alicia saying they do not have the age/doctor requirement and are not considering it in the future. They will not make a public statement on the issue right now. More confusion on the issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LawDog61 Posted April 14, 2020 #537 Share Posted April 14, 2020 As previous stated in this thread, I think this was a “Hail Mary” attempt by CCL to keep cruising going in March (really bad and expensive move). I don’t see them doing that, at least long term, when cruising resumes for the following reasons: 1). This probably violates American ADA and anti-discrimination laws. 2). At least for Princess and HAL, this would create massive demand destruction. 3). Selling travel insurance and medical center services are a significant source of revenue from the targeted demographic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruzsnooze Posted April 14, 2020 #538 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Enhancing Health Requirements We will deny boarding to guests and crew if they: Have been in contact with a suspected or confirmed case of COVID-19 or a person being monitored for COVID-19. Are suffering from a fever or flu-like symptoms prior to embarkation. Have an underlying, severe, chronic medical condition. Is a controlled diabetic allowed to board? What about an asthmatic? Cancer in remission? High blood pressure, elevated cholesterol? How will this be determined and by whom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franktown Posted April 15, 2020 #539 Share Posted April 15, 2020 32 minutes ago, cruzsnooze said: Enhancing Health Requirements We will deny boarding to guests and crew if they: Have been in contact with a suspected or confirmed case of COVID-19 or a person being monitored for COVID-19. Are suffering from a fever or flu-like symptoms prior to embarkation. Have an underlying, severe, chronic medical condition. Is a controlled diabetic allowed to board? What about an asthmatic? Cancer in remission? High blood pressure, elevated cholesterol? How will this be determined and by whom? Some of the other lines are requiring a signed doctors note that they have posted on their website. Good luck getting a Doctor to sign it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beg3yrs Posted April 15, 2020 #540 Share Posted April 15, 2020 The CDC has definitions. Check out this post in another thread: https://boards.cruisecritic.com/topic/2745825-princess-announces-cruise-cancellations-thru-june-30-retitled-after-merge/?do=findComment&comment=59824762 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrak Posted April 15, 2020 #541 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Possible Disqualifying Conditions: Chronic Flatulence Chronic Bad Breath Loud Talker Smoker Stinky Feet Obnoxious Laugh Know-It-All Lives in California My wife is a "sneezer". There is nothing wrong with her but she will have explosive and loud sneezes. The doctor says not to worry but it's LOUD and startling. Probably a "disqualifying condition". 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dog Posted April 15, 2020 #542 Share Posted April 15, 2020 By the time the ships start sailing we will all be in contact with someone who had covid-19, in all likelihood. Do we have to prove these people had 3 negative tests before we can board a ship? will they give a cash refund for those who booked with a FCC, since they will never meet requirements to sail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverbeenhere Posted April 15, 2020 #543 Share Posted April 15, 2020 No cents or humor - no cruising. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobbyfarmer2 Posted April 15, 2020 #544 Share Posted April 15, 2020 There is a good chance that people who have had COVID willl produce antibodies that will protect them in the future. There is a saliva test being worked on now to reliably detect the antibodies. A future vaccine may also provide good protection if and when it is rolled out. Hopefully the cruise lines will survive long enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare c-boy Posted April 15, 2020 #545 Share Posted April 15, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Thrak said: Possible Disqualifying Conditions: Chronic Flatulence Chronic Bad Breath Loud Talker Smoker Stinky Feet Obnoxious Laugh Know-It-All Lives in California My wife is a "sneezer". There is nothing wrong with her but she will have explosive and loud sneezes. The doctor says not to worry but it's LOUD and startling. Probably a "disqualifying condition". lives in California 🤣 roflmao .... wait a minute ..🤔 Edited April 15, 2020 by c-boy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruzsnooze Posted April 15, 2020 #546 Share Posted April 15, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, c-boy said: lives in California 🤣 roflmao .... wait a minute ..🤔 He said that because I live in California😅 How will they know of these conditions anyway? How would anyone know including myself if I came in contact with someone unsymptomatic with covid-19. Will they take my blood pressure (I run low) or my cholesterol (I run high). If it's just a form we sign at check in like we had a few years ago then we'll all be able to sail and have relieved Princess of any liability. There was no mention of any age restrictions thankfully. Edited April 15, 2020 by cruzsnooze 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satxdiver Posted April 15, 2020 #547 Share Posted April 15, 2020 They can and most probably will check everyone's temperature before boarding which is easy to do using a laser. I am sure that all pax will admit to being near someone with COVID-19 knowing full well they will be denied boarding 🙄 For the last point they will have to be more specific and a medical practitioner will have to sign it. I am sure those signatures will be legitimate of course! All of this will be like the health form we had to submit before boarding and everyone of course was honest. 😂 I have not seen the medical form to be signed by a physician or a requirement to have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brisalta Posted April 15, 2020 #548 Share Posted April 15, 2020 28 minutes ago, cruzsnooze said: He said that because I live in California😅 He said that because he lives in the northern reaches of California. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brisalta Posted April 15, 2020 #549 Share Posted April 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Thrak said: Possible Disqualifying Conditions: Chronic Flatulence Chronic Bad Breath Loud Talker Smoker Stinky Feet Obnoxious Laugh Know-It-All Lives in California You left out dirty hands and no ability to demonstrate how to correctly wash them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polmcs Posted April 15, 2020 #550 Share Posted April 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Thrak said: Possible Disqualifying Conditions: Chronic Flatulence Chronic Bad Breath Loud Talker Smoker Stinky Feet Obnoxious Laugh Know-It-All Lives in California My wife is a "sneezer". There is nothing wrong with her but she will have explosive and loud sneezes. The doctor says not to worry but it's LOUD and startling. Probably a "disqualifying condition". I’m guessing the list pertains to you! Don’t worry Mrs Thrak, I’ve got your back! 😝 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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