If Royal Requires A Covid-19 Vaccine Before Cruising Will You Get It???

[cured]

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Edited January 19, 2021 by cured

[cured]

21 minutes ago, cured said:

I don't think that is going to work. From what I understand, those cards are for the medical professionals to show which vaccine you received the first time. It keeps you from getting Pfizer the first time and Moderna the second time. Just like you have demonstrated, the cards are far too easy to counterfeit. 

 

CLEAR Health is working on expanding their health pass to include vaccine info that from what I have been told will be the official Vaccine proof.

 

 

There was an interesting report on the nightly news tonight. The Supreme Court has already ruled previously during Small Pox that governments and companies can mandate proof of vaccination except for medical conditions.  NY tested this again when they removed the religious exemption to mandatory vaccinations for schools.

 

They went on to say that businesses can also refuse anyone on an exemption. For instance, if you were trying to go to a football game that has a proof of vaccination stipulation and you have not had the vaccine due to medical reasons, they can refuse to allow you to attend.

 

It seems that Royal Caribbean would be fully in their rights to mandate vaccines with no exemptions.  I certainly hope so, at least temporarily.  Once sufficient herd immunity is established to protect those not able to be vaccinated (just like all the vaccines now) I hope they relax restrictions for those medically unable to vaccinate. I certainly hope they are super strict with those that are just anti-vaxxers and refuse to allow them to ever cruise.

Edited January 19, 2021 by cured

[Ocean Boy]

21 minutes ago, ace2542 said:

They probably should do. The only way to defend against lawsuits? After all wouldn't people claim I don't know 14 days loss of earnings plus god knows what else so more than the couple of thousand the english ambo chasers claim you can get for a package holiday.  Many fake claims in that area as well.

You take a cruise there is a chance you might catch something. You go to the grocery store there is a chance you might catch something. You go to work there is a chance you might catch something. You leave your house you might catch something. Someone comes to your house to visit....

 

Once again, you really need to chill out. Stop posting speculation and conjecture as fact.

[xpcdoojk]

OB, that is why despite the horrible last year, that we just have to let this run its course, we can’t lock down forever and remain, A) Sane and B) a functioning civilization.

 

At some point we have to survive this.  Hopefully the vaccinations are going to be the ticket, but regardless, we can’t continue to close the private economy.  Yes, people will die, and it is tragic.  But the societal consequences of drug abuse and suicide, and the general loss of will to survive come into play.

 

 

[grandgeezer]

3 hours ago, ace2542 said:

I don't think that will happen unless the CDC really is out to destroy the cruise industry.  To my knowledge but you may know differently the CDC have never restricted cruising for another outbreak like Noro or Flu not once they had a vaccine anyway and there is no vaccine for noro to my knowledge. With the existence of vaccines and yearly uptake of said vaccines they will be unlikely to do so. Once sailing resumes they will likely step back. But being sued will always be a big problem moving forward. Masks forever will be the only way to defend against that.

The CDC only has jurisdiction for the U.S., if the cruise lines aren’t happy with the way the situation is being handled, there are many places they can move there operations to. Canada, Mexico, all of South America, Asia, the Europe, Africa, Antarctica, and Australia.  Oh, they aren’t sailing either, who are you going to blame for that? 

[ReneeFLL]

10 hours ago, mac_tlc said:

^^^^^^^^

+1.

 

One year into this mess and the naysayers are still unconvinced. 

 

BTW, nine 747-400s worth of passengers died yesterday from a "flue"-like illness. 🙄

 

mac_tlc

Where did this happen?

 

9 hours ago, ace2542 said:

So my question. What happens to the sample they take beyond being tested for antibody?. Will they test for other medical conditions if they can? Diabetes or STD's or who knows what?. Does it get passed to I don't know your FBI and added into your CODIS  database that they speak of on CSI? Or in UK does it get put into our DNA database? If so I would like to be informed of it, consent to it and not have it done behind my back.

Are you seriously expecting answers?

 

[ReneeFLL]

7 hours ago, ace2542 said:

And the second shot time would be right in the middle of our trip. Looks like I have to seek out the single shot JJ vaccine when that comes through.

Easy fix, don’t take the trip. Problem solved.

 

6 hours ago, ace2542 said:

But vaccine is not 100% effective. It is not that people will get die onboard or they could ever get a major outbreak now. It will be mostly the risk of being sued for getting it on the ship that will be the main concern of them in the future. Vaccines alone won't stop that risk.

You are really stuck on this being sued thing aren’t you? Why? It’s not your money.

 

4 hours ago, ace2542 said:

I don't think that will happen unless the CDC really is out to destroy the cruise industry.  To my knowledge but you may know differently the CDC have never restricted cruising for another outbreak like Noro or Flu not once they had a vaccine anyway and there is no vaccine for noro to my knowledge. With the existence of vaccines and yearly uptake of said vaccines they will be unlikely to do so. Once sailing resumes they will likely step back. But being sued will always be a big problem moving forward. Masks forever will be the only way to defend against that.

No masks aren’t the only way to defend it. Good lawyers and good contracts.

 

4 hours ago, ace2542 said:

They probably should do. The only way to defend against lawsuits? After all wouldn't people claim I don't know 14 days loss of earnings plus god knows what else so more than the couple of thousand the english ambo chasers claim you can get for a package holiday.  Many fake claims in that area as well.

The way to defend against lawsuits is with the contracts people agree to and good lawyers. You really assume way to much.
 

3 hours ago, Ocean Boy said:

You take a cruise there is a chance you might catch something. You go to the grocery store there is a chance you might catch something. You go to work there is a chance you might catch something. You leave your house you might catch something. Someone comes to your house to visit....

 

Once again, you really need to chill out. Stop posting speculation and conjecture as fact.

Well said, but I think he’s bored like Bee.

 

[yogimax]

1 hour ago, xpcdoojk said:

Yes, people will die, and it is tragic.  

What if that "people" is your spouse, your parent, your child?  Does that change your theoretical argument?  Honest answer please?  Would you be willing to sacrifice the person you love the most for a theoretical, but not proven, benefit?

[PhoenixCruiser]

6 hours ago, ace2542 said:

But vaccine is not 100% effective. It is not that people will get die onboard or they could ever get a major outbreak now. It will be mostly the risk of being sued for getting it on the ship that will be the main concern of them in the future. Vaccines alone won't stop that risk.

 

At some point they will probably need to add something in the contract stating that you cannot sue if you get the virus. You know, personal responsibility!

 

 

 

[Casino Comp Chick]

18 hours ago, John&LaLa said:

 

Will you cruise is smoking indoors is banned?

I will use up all my FCC’s and look elsewhere for vacations.

[Casino Comp Chick]

15 hours ago, Roger88 said:

I have never had a single vaccine in my life, just like my family and we see no reason of having this vaccine either. Its just another type of flue which is mutating every year. You do a vaccine now, then there is another type of virus and so on.. 

 

And it is that type of thinking that caused NY to have a measles outbreak recently. You are stating this as if you are wearing a badge of honor but what you and your parents do affect others & I would prefer if you just wore a mask.

[Casino Comp Chick]

8 hours ago, cured said:

NYS makes you register on their website the day you are receiving your shot so they are already compiling a database of who is vaccinated and who is not. The cruise lines will surely have access to this data.

[John&LaLa]

5 hours ago, yogimax said:

What if that "people" is your spouse, your parent, your child?  Does that change your theoretical argument?  Honest answer please?  Would you be willing to sacrifice the person you love the most for a theoretical, but not proven, benefit?

 

You've tried this before.

 

Didn't work then, doesn't work now

 

But thanks for trying

[ace2542]

6 hours ago, ReneeFLL said:

Where did this happen?

 

Are you seriously expecting answers?

 

About 4 months ago they solved a double murder from 1987. They appealed on Crimewatch UK's version of America Most Wanted or Unsolved Mysteries a number of times. They got nowhere for many many years. They had a full dna profile of the murderer yet to nothing to match it against for 30 plus years. Yet  they charged a 66 year old man. How did they catch him do you think? The DNA from a testing kit? It must be? So if they have done it once they will do it again. I don't care you keep my DNA or not. But i would like to be informed of it.

Edited January 19, 2021 by ace2542

[ace2542]

5 hours ago, PhoenixCruiser said:

 

At some point they will probably need to add something in the contract stating that you cannot sue if you get the virus. You know, personal responsibility!

 

 

 

I hope they do, these ambulance chasers are disgusting.

[ace2542]

6 hours ago, ReneeFLL said:

You are really stuck on this being sued thing aren’t you? Why? It’s not your money

Do you know why car insurance is going up in UK because people claim for minor aches and pains ongoing 6 to 8 weeks. You self confirm it speaking to a doctor no prooding or poking no MRI Scan etc etc. Ok the accident must have been reported. If it starts happening with cruises won't cruise prices go up?  Do you know how these claims for all inclusive holidays get done in UK. They make the argument you got sick by touching the side of the pool, you know resting your arms on it very tough to disprove. That is how they get away with it.

Edited January 19, 2021 by ace2542

[A&L_Ont]

7 hours ago, grandgeezer said:

The CDC only has jurisdiction for the U.S., if the cruise lines aren’t happy with the way the situation is being handled, there are many places they can move there operations to. Canada, Mexico, all of South America, Asia, the Europe, Africa, Antarctica, and Australia.  Oh, they aren’t sailing either, who are you going to blame for that? 

Wait, they aren’t they sailing from Europe anymore?  Wasn’t it Italy that was allowing sailings?

Edited January 19, 2021 by A&L_Ont

[A&L_Ont]

7 hours ago, ReneeFLL said:

Well said, but I think he’s bored like Bee.

 

Yes, 100% yes. 

[A&L_Ont]

9 hours ago, xpcdoojk said:

At some point we have to survive this.  Hopefully the vaccinations are going to be the ticket, but regardless, we can’t continue to close the private economy.  Yes, people will die, and it is tragic.  But the societal consequences of drug abuse and suicide, and the general loss of will to survive come into play.

 

 

 

7 hours ago, yogimax said:

What if that "people" is your spouse, your parent, your child?  Does that change your theoretical argument?  Honest answer please?  Would you be willing to sacrifice the person you love the most for a theoretical, but not proven, benefit?

What part of tragic do you not understand?  How do you feel about the societal consequences?

[Ocean Boy]

3 hours ago, Casino Comp Chick said:

NYS makes you register on their website the day you are receiving your shot so they are already compiling a database of who is vaccinated and who is not. The cruise lines will surely have access to this data.

You actually think the states are going to give businesses access to their medical data bases? If it begins with making your immunization records available then what will be next and what entities will have access? Cruise lines get access? What about all inclusives? Disney? Airlines?

 

The only way cruise lines will have access to your medical data is if you provide it.

[4774Papa]

I received my first dose of the Pfizer vaccine last Monday and had little reaction to it.  My arm was a bit sore for a couple of days.

 

It makes sense to me for cruise lines to require a vaccine once a substantial percentage of the population have been vaccinated.

[HBE4]

3 hours ago, John&LaLa said:

 

You've tried this before.

 

Didn't work then, doesn't work now

 

But thanks for trying

 

Tried what? 

 

[xpcdoojk]

9 hours ago, yogimax said:

What if that "people" is your spouse, your parent, your child?  Does that change your theoretical argument?  Honest answer please?  Would you be willing to sacrifice the person you love the most for a theoretical, but not proven, benefit?

What if your son or daughter loses hope and dies of a heroin overdose?  Are you so sure locking things down isn’t causing that?  Studies show that suicides among the young are up.  There is no doubt that isolation can lead to depression, depression can lead to drug abuse.  Many millions of people have lost jobs and careers.  All of these things are risk factors are just as real as death by Covid.  Hard for me not being all wise to say one is worse than the other. 

 

It is harder to quantify when most people who are dying with Covid are not exactly the healthiest people to begin with, but every 20 year old who commits suicide or dies of an overdose is a tragedy as well.  

 

Every family that falls apart because of economic distress of loss of jobs is another potential tragedy as children grow up in broken homes.

 

All I am saying is it is not a simple black and white issue, where one choice, the ones that many governors are making is superior to the choices other governors are making.

 

jc

 

 

[John&LaLa]

1 hour ago, HBE4 said:

 

Tried what? 

 

 

Guilting posters to accepting his views

[jean87510]

10 hours ago, yogimax said:

What if that "people" is your spouse, your parent, your child?  Does that change your theoretical argument?  Honest answer please?  Would you be willing to sacrifice the person you love the most for a theoretical, but not proven, benefit?

What if it is your child who is suicidal and depressed from this and can't even get an appointment because the backup is tremendous at the local crisis centers?  What if it is your spouse who was laid off months ago and is contemplating suicide because they are so depressed?  Sorry, I cannot agree with the theory of we have to sacrifice our economy for covid and if we disagree, we are selfish.  I understand where you are coming from as I have had now 5 family members die of covid related illnesses, but you have to see the other side now.