Royal's start up vs carnival's

[firefly333]

12 minutes ago, coffeebean said:

Celebrity asked their passengers if they would VOLUNTEER their vaccine proof. Celebrity did not require vaccine proof and allowed 5% un-vaxxed on board so they are sticking with the letter of the Florida law.

 

NCL plans to sail with 100% vaxxed passengers from Florida and I still don't know how they plan to get around the law because their passengers must provide proof of vaccination. It remains to be seen when NCL finally does sail from a Florida port how they work around the Florida law.

Carnival horizon sailed vaccinated from miami today ya know. Took some of the wind out of their sails that vista went first yesterday but horizon sailed today. 

[firefly333]

1 minute ago, coffeebean said:

What is that?

I bought a condo on the beach at cape Canaveral a few months back and had to change title companies and the new one was having me sign a hold harmless agreement. One of the owners there also wanted to buy it and said if he didnt get to buy it he was suing the seller, hoa, title company, you name it. I was supposed to sign if he sued me I wouldnt go back to the title company policy and hold them harmless. It is a legal thing, from a lawyer, not a ta hahahaha. 

 

Lol haven't heard of it from  ta on a cruise. It's kinda like as they said they never cruised before and the ta was saying, ok, you wouldnt mind if I put you on the cruise I get paid the most from will you? Good excuse. I think they probably said it as a joke .. nicest thing I can think of. Practicing law without a license

[coffeebean]

4 hours ago, AKJonesy said:

The numbers all over the country provided by each state government are not really proving this out.  The trend overall is down.  These are the numbers reported today:  https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/covid-19-daily-video

 

News sources (MSM) have been reporting that 95% of Covid deaths lately are un-vaccinated.

[cruisegus]

6 hours ago, Tree_skier said:

This is completely false.  The restrictions and impositions to vaccinated passengers for cruises out Florida are no different than what is happening in WA which is a vaccine required state.  Florida has nothing to do with Royal's decisions;.  It baffles me that people have such political bias that they can't see this obvious fact!

Which is completely ridiculous on the part of RCI considering they advertised those cruises as Vaccination Required.

[crzndeb]

I cruise both Royal and Carnival.....never have I seen any type of crazy behavior on either line, but maybe I just wasn’t around the area. Never heard about anything either.

I have never understood what joy anybody gets from putting down another cruise line. Maybe you had a bad experience one time? That’s fine if you don’t want to sail a certain cruise line, but keep the negativity to yourself. 
And the “anything goes” comment...WTH? 🙄 Although one time sitting at the Alchemy Bar on the Vista, I told the mixologist what I liked, and it was pretty much “anything goes”.

 

[coffeebean]

38 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

I bought a condo on the beach at cape Canaveral a few months back and had to change title companies and the new one was having me sign a hold harmless agreement. One of the owners there also wanted to buy it and said if he didnt get to buy it he was suing the seller, hoa, title company, you name it. I was supposed to sign if he sued me I wouldnt go back to the title company policy and hold them harmless. It is a legal thing, from a lawyer, not a ta hahahaha. 

 

Lol haven't heard of it from  ta on a cruise. It's kinda like as they said they never cruised before and the ta was saying, ok, you wouldnt mind if I put you on the cruise I get paid the most from will you? Good excuse. I think they probably said it as a joke .. nicest thing I can think of. Practicing law without a license

Thanks for the explanation.

[coffeebean]

7 hours ago, zpdw484 said:

It will be interesting to see the passenger count and vaccination rate of today's sailing of carnival horizon out of Miami

If Carnival did not do a test cruise with the Horizon, then the ship sailed with AT LEAST 95% vaccinated passengers. I would bet money on that.

[Sunshine3601]

2 hours ago, coffeebean said:

Sailing out of Florida is not causing more restrictions for Celebrity or NCL who plans to sail with 100% vaxxed passengers (if they ever do sail out of Florida). Only Royal has lots of restrictions because of the unlimited amount of un-vaxxed on board. They were lucky Freedom sailed with 93% vaxxed but that may not be the case for any other times their ships sail. 

A poster onboard freedom stated the captain announced they have 85% passengers onboard vaccinated for this sailing.    The 93% is royals math of 100% crew vaccinated and the 85% vaxxer passengers.

[jerseygirl3]

8 hours ago, BirdTravels said:

Cruises from the Bahamas are not 100% vaccinated. Our cruise was 94% vaccinated. The following week was around 92%. And, at least on our cruise, the rules for unvaccinated passengers were not being enforced. 

That’s not good. I wondered if they would enforce the rules for unvaccinated. It’s troubling to hear their own protocols are not being enforced. Bad job Royal! 

[Vera/Lee]

3 hours ago, firefly333 said:

Carnival horizon sailed vaccinated from miami today ya know. Took some of the wind out of their sails that vista went first yesterday but horizon sailed today. 

My niece is excited to be on Horizon. I can't believe she beat me back on a ship.

[BirdTravels]

3 hours ago, coffeebean said:

Well, isn't THAT special? Makes me want to get right on a Royal ship with un-vaxxed passengers without masks on their faces. NOT!!!! There will most certainly be a problem with transmission of the virus among the un-vaxxed passengers if protocols are not enforced. Hope Royal's protocols don't disrupt the cruise for the rest of the passengers if there is an outbreak on board among the un-vaxxed.

So, on the next cruise, there were two unvaccinated passengers who tested COVID-positive on Day 6. They were disembarked and Royal paid for their transportation home..... and in the following week, Royal changed their protocols to require unvaccinated passengers carry their own travel insurance to pay their own way home. 

[Iamcruzin]

18 hours ago, BirdTravels said:

And, at least on our cruise, the rules for unvaccinated passengers were not being enforced. 

Not surprising at all.

[Mapleleafforever]

15 hours ago, coffeebean said:

Carnival is playing it very safe for the younger kids on board. Kudos to them. Anyone know if Royal is going to operate their kid's club with un-vaxxed kids on board?

Dunno, but both lines are in fact allowing kids under 12 onboard (inherently unvaccinated). Not sure why people thought Carnival was banning them.

[Mapleleafforever]

14 hours ago, coffeebean said:

Celebrity asked their passengers if they would VOLUNTEER their vaccine proof. Celebrity did not require vaccine proof and allowed 5% un-vaxxed on board so they are sticking with the letter of the Florida law.

 

NCL plans to sail with 100% vaxxed passengers from Florida and I still don't know how they plan to get around the law because their passengers must provide proof of vaccination. It remains to be seen when NCL finally does sail from a Florida port how they work around the Florida law.

I wonder if some of the people threatening to boycott Royal and Carnival over their vaccination requirements will jump to NCL? 

[firefly333]

18 minutes ago, Mapleleafforever said:

I wonder if some of the people threatening to boycott Royal and Carnival over their vaccination requirements will jump to NCL? 

I have seen lots post they are cancelling their rcl cruise. I haven't seen any cancelling their vaccinated cruises to jump to ncl. I have many on my sept roll call with children waiting to find out what the policy will be in sept for their unvaccinated children, but none who are vaccinated wanting ncl.

 

Where do you see these posts that carnival pax wants to jump ship from a 95% vaccinated to 100%. 

[firefly333]

33 minutes ago, Mapleleafforever said:

Dunno, but both lines are in fact allowing kids under 12 onboard (inherently unvaccinated). Not sure why people thought Carnival was banning them.

Well you do have to apply for a exemption for your unvaccinated kiddos. Only a small fraction are actually getting to cruise so carnival is banning a large percentage of children. Once the allowed number of children receives a exemption, the window is closed, no other kids allowed onboard. Many families are having to reschedule. Those exemptions are not easy to get. You have to apply as soon as the window opens for your cruise and for august it closed within 15 minutes. Full.

[firefly333]

Duplicate.

 

Carnival has refilled those cancellations by offering tons of casino rates and solo rates. Families cancelled. ..cant go to ncl because they are cancelled due to kids with no vaccinations. 

 

That's where my breeze cruise came from... a great b2b solo deal. Cheers on first leg even. Cheaper than 7 day, for 10 days.

Edited July 5, 2021 by firefly333

[Mapleleafforever]

7 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

Well you do have to apply for a exemption for your unvaccinated kiddos. Only a small fraction are actually getting to cruise so carnival is banning a large percentage of children. Once the allowed number of children receives a exemption, the window is closed, no other kids allowed onboard. Many families are having to reschedule. Those exemptions are not easy to get. You have to apply as soon as the window opens for your cruise and for august it closed within 15 minutes. Full.

But they are granting them. 

[Dat Cruisin Couple]

11 hours ago, landerslp said:

Where did you see this? Every place  I looked showed 7 day average trending up. (Still way way lower than this spring) You can’t go by daily cases as several states have stopped reporting daily cases. And this is a holiday weekend, so all the stats will be off. What is trending down still is hospitalizations and deaths, which is the best news. 

 

exactly. I have been on a public health COVID response team(statistician) since March of last year and this is the first weekend when the ENTIRE team is off. No testing, no vaccinations, no data being collected, shared and reported. 

 

Nothing, it feels like a ghost limb and I want to get into how the cruiselines are calculating their vaxxed numbers, but don't want to explain the math. 🙂

 

[firefly333]

3 minutes ago, Mapleleafforever said:

But they are granting them. 

Small percentage. Most are not getting them. My sept roll call is waiting hoping to get their kids onboard.  Dont know the percentage but it's small. Lol crashed the system so many applied, so they are spacing it out, to get exemptions.

[Mapleleafforever]

18 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

I have seen lots post they are cancelling their rcl cruise. I haven't seen any cancelling their vaccinated cruises to jump to ncl. I have many on my sept roll call with children waiting to find out what the policy will be in sept for their unvaccinated children, but none who are vaccinated wanting ncl.

 

Where do you see these posts that carnival pax wants to jump ship from a 95% vaccinated to 100%. 

Have seen multiple posts across many boards of people stating their anger at the non 100% lines. NCL is a great option for those wanting to stick to 100%. 

[Mapleleafforever]

2 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

Small percentage. Most are not getting them. My sept roll call is waiting hoping to get their kids onboard.  Dont know the percentage but it's small. Lol crashed the system so many applied, so they are spacing it out, to get exemptions.

So still not 100% vaccinated cruises, correct? This is my point, Carnival is not 100% vaccinated as some are suggesting. I don't care if it's 1 exception, it's not 100%. 

[Thenagers]

42 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

Duplicate.

 

Carnival has refilled those cancellations by offering tons of casino rates and solo rates. Families cancelled. ..cant go to ncl because they are cancelled due to kids with no vaccinations. 

 

That's where my breeze cruise came from... a great b2b solo deal. Cheers on first leg even. Cheaper than 7 day, for 10 days.

I was offered a free balcony and free drinks in the casino this summer but had already chosen Freedom. I wasn’t sure what Carnivals protocols would be at the time. They were actually sounding more like going unvaccinated? I guess I could have canceled and rebooked but I’ll just go with my 1st choice. Still a little apprehensive about the total lack of social distancing going on on Horizon! Self serve buffet already? And the capacity numbers on Freedom sound like a dream. 

[Jasukkie]

17 hours ago, coffeebean said:

Celebrity asked their passengers if they would VOLUNTEER their vaccine proof. Celebrity did not require vaccine proof and allowed 5% un-vaxxed on board so they are sticking with the letter of the Florida law.

 

NCL plans to sail with 100% vaxxed passengers from Florida and I still don't know how they plan to get around the law because their passengers must provide proof of vaccination. It remains to be seen when NCL finally does sail from a Florida port how they work around the Florida law.

None of the ships are registered in the US. Why not have passengers provide copies to the ship's chief health officer electronically while in international waters? This would require a cutoff prior to the previous sailing returning to port. I have no idea if that would actually work but the entirety of the transaction would be outside of the state of Florida. 

[zpdw484]

2 hours ago, Mapleleafforever said:

I wonder if some of the people threatening to boycott Royal and Carnival over their vaccination requirements will jump to NCL? 

We really enjoy NCL and normally they are our 2nd choice behind Royal. But the last time I looked into an Oct sailing on NCL out of Miami, the way I understood it vaccines would be required but they were also requiring negative covid tests before hand. That is a turn off for us. We are vaccinated and would like to avoid testing if possible as it seems the tests are super unreliable and that would just be one more thing to have to stress about (false positive)