Full diagnostic search?

[hal2008]

1. This happens lot more frequently than most people realize 

 

2. It is not totally random but based on certain red flags that manual observation or computer program generates.

 

 3. Some cases defies common sense but legal when going strictly by book (case of Delta lady saving apple given by airline to eat during layover).  Having said that, unfortunately skin color, ethnicity, name  also do play a role (more on air arrival compared to cruise)

[birdylady]

5 hours ago, island lady said:

 

LOL...basic important rules of news reporting.   Where, when, who, what?   😄 

 

Or in this case...what ship, what port would help.  😉 

 

I thought I answered this but don't see it. Most info has been answered in post 7.  I 'think' the ship was Independence.  Yes, he was eventually allowed to leave. No, they never given a reason for this. 

Thanx

[birdylady]

5 hours ago, island lady said:

 

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Edited December 24, 2022 by birdylady

[Starry Eyes]

6 hours ago, island lady said:

 

LOL...basic important rules of news reporting.   Where, when, who, what?   😄 

 

Or in this case...what ship, what port would help.  😉 

 

 

 

 

 

OP said PC this am.

 

Posting this on Royal Caribbean boards, suggests it might be the only Royal Caribbean ship disembarking at Port Canaveral today, Independence OTS (4N cruise).  There were multiple ships from other lines in PC today.

[Mum2Mercury]

Something similar happened to my husband on a business trip once.  He was flying into Canada, and when he left the plane, he was pulled aside with 4-5 Russian men.  Apparently they thought he was "with them" ... he could be taken for a Russian, but our last name screams "English as fish & chips".  

 

They were all taken into a side room, and the Russians' bags were searched more thoroughly than I would've thought possible.  I mean, my husband said the airline agents turned the men's garments inside-out and felt the seams to see if anything was sewn in.  They found nothing, but each of the Russians was sent on to a "more secure room", and he doesn't know what became of them. He was under the impression their bodies were going to be searched.  

 

He said he was shaking in his shoes when his turn came (last).  They asked his name and his reason for travel.  They looked at his passport, heard his Southern drawl and sent him on his way ... without even opening his suitcase.  

 

Clearly they were looking for something and had a very good reason to suspect these Russian men ... and just caught my husband in their net somehow.  Maybe he had shared a connecting flight with them?  

[orville99]

21 hours ago, Biker19 said:

There are usually at least three sides to every story.

Or more if you expect one of them to be true😇

[Magicat]

15 hours ago, A&L_Ont said:

As a car nut I’d love to buy you a beer at the pub, even if to gloss over the automotive world. The reason why I mentioned the Bruce is I got to tour it during this September as part of the Cobble Beach Concours, with about 50 people.  The level of security there was high, and that’s why I pictured you there with your explanation. Now I envision you at Multimatic. 🤔😉😁

Absolutely would join you and share what I can.  Funny you mention Multimatic as I did do work for them at one point of my career.  We have a couple of divisions south of you. 

[SilkySal]

We were with a group of B2B'ers escorted off of the Mariner last October and usually the turnaround would only take just a few minutes. However, we were unable to re-board, along with the new group of scheduled cruisers, because we were told that they (crew) were still looking for previous cruisers who had not left the ship yet. Then, along came a young couple off of the ship amidst the boos of the waiting crowd. They were both smiling and taking their sweet time walking through the terminal. Once they got to security, they were both stopped for a search and the customs agents made them open up all of their luggage, probably to delay them as much as possible for making all of us wait to board the ship. So rude! Maybe it's now become a thing to be "the last ones to leave".

[BND]

49 minutes ago, SilkySal said:

We were with a group of B2B'ers escorted off of the Mariner last October and usually the turnaround would only take just a few minutes. However, we were unable to re-board, along with the new group of scheduled cruisers, because we were told that they (crew) were still looking for previous cruisers who had not left the ship yet. Then, along came a young couple off of the ship amidst the boos of the waiting crowd. They were both smiling and taking their sweet time walking through the terminal. Once they got to security, they were both stopped for a search and the customs agents made them open up all of their luggage, probably to delay them as much as possible for making all of us wait to board the ship. So rude! Maybe it's now become a thing to be "the last ones to leave".

We were slightly delayed between our b2b on Jewel in Nov.  It was for 4 people.  They took us off after waiting a bit and we had to stand in the terminal for about 20 minutes while they found them.   Personally, I think they should charge per minute if they're not in line ready to get off within a few minutes of when the last groups are announced.  It's not just other cruisers they're impacting.  It's the CBP,  terminal employees, crew, etc.  

[alfaeric]

17 hours ago, Magicat said:

Automotive industry in the advanced product design.  

Must have been an agreement with the OEM you did work for.  As a former OEM development engineer, I carried a lot of secure things, including a proprietary development computer, with me on flights.  Had to check one of them, as it was huge (this is the computer that connected to the vehicle's computer and took over control and took data).  

 

The only time I was stopped for a slightly more extensive search was when I was flying international only a couple of days when the ticket was bought- and that was a trigger 20 years ago.

[Ex-Airbalancer]

15 hours ago, Mum2Mercury said:

Something similar happened to my husband on a business trip once.  He was flying into Canada, and when he left the plane, he was pulled aside with 4-5 Russian men.  Apparently they thought he was "with them" ... he could be taken for a Russian, but our last name screams "English as fish & chips".  

 

They were all taken into a side room, and the Russians' bags were searched more thoroughly than I would've thought possible.  I mean, my husband said the airline agents turned the men's garments inside-out and felt the seams to see if anything was sewn in.  They found nothing, but each of the Russians was sent on to a "more secure room", and he doesn't know what became of them. He was under the impression their bodies were going to be searched.  

 

He said he was shaking in his shoes when his turn came (last).  They asked his name and his reason for travel.  They looked at his passport, heard his Southern drawl and sent him on his way ... without even opening his suitcase.  

 

Clearly they were looking for something and had a very good reason to suspect these Russian men ... and just caught my husband in their net somehow.  Maybe he had shared a connecting flight with them?  

Haven’t you seen the show Americans?

if they are spies they will not have a hammer and Sickle tattooed on their foreheads.🤣

[shipgeeks]

23 hours ago, nelblu said:

Do we know if Customs still practice having dogs go around luggages to smell for drugs, etc.

Sure, every time we cruise, or at least in Baltimore.  (Or is it Immigration?  Somebody does.)

[FTLCruiseGal]

On 12/23/2022 at 1:56 PM, nelblu said:

Do we know if Customs still practice having dogs go around luggages to smell for drugs, etc.

Most definitely.  However, they do it more “behind the scenes” and before you get off the ship.  They identify the bag and watch it until it gets picked up.  They will either stop you before you get to a CBP agent or your name will be flagged and you will be pulled aside at the desk.

[Morecruisesplz]

On 12/24/2022 at 11:27 AM, Ex-Airbalancer said:

Haven’t you seen the show Americans?

if they are spies they will not have a hammer and Sickle tattooed on their foreheads.🤣

Loved that show.

[sgmn]

Only time we got pulled out of line by sniffer dogs was when a Canadian horse mad friend, wanted us to bring over from UK, a specific horse feed supplements.  We double checked with the embassy we weren't bringing over anything illegal but still got stopped at immigration by the sniffer dogs. The border force wasn't interested in the horse supplements but took our babies food containers apart, just in case ......

[DirtyDawg]

On 12/23/2022 at 9:16 PM, Mum2Mercury said:

Something similar happened to my husband on a business trip once.  He was flying into Canada, and when he left the plane, he was pulled aside with 4-5 Russian men. 

41 minutes ago, sgmn said:

Only time we got pulled out of line by sniffer dogs was when a Canadian horse mad friend, wanted us to bring over from UK, a specific horse feed supplements.  .....

Morel of these stories......

 

Russians wanting to smuggle horse feed supplements into Canada - BEWARE!

 

Our border patrol use hockey sticks for their full diagnostic searches! 🏒 🤯

 

 

 

 

[lovesthebeach2]

On 12/23/2022 at 1:30 PM, PhillyFan33579 said:

Without going into details of my work history, I can tell you with 100% certainty this wasn’t a random search. I wouldn’t even begin to guess why though, since there are countless reasons why a search would be conducted at the end of a cruise. 

Years ago in Europe one in our group wat the airport was called into a room for screen8ng and we didn’t know why. They had told him it was just random, but we were nervous that he may have missed the flight home he was in there so long.
 

On 12/23/2022 at 1:56 PM, nelblu said:

Do we know if Customs still practice having dogs go around luggages to smell for drugs, etc.

 

We’ve seen them at the ports checking everything that’s ready to get on the ship, so I’m sure they do the opposite checking luggage when we’re getting off.

[island lady]

I am assuming the luggage we put out into the hallway for pick up the next morning in the terminal, is probably "sniffed".   But what about "self assist"?   Which seems to be more than half the ship lately.  

[robmtx]

On 12/23/2022 at 12:16 PM, birdylady said:

I joked maybe a cartel kingpin by the same name (really not likely).

 

On 12/23/2022 at 5:33 PM, BND said:

More than likely someone with a similar or same name triggered something.  It's why they were confirming your identity.

 

On 12/23/2022 at 6:58 PM, ORV said:

A friend of ours has the same name as the guy that put a bomb in his shoes a few years ago on a plane.

 

All good examples, and I can add the same for my father. In 2009 we were returning from an AK Cruise via Vancouver and he was pulled aside at the airport...we missed our flight because it took 30 minutes for them to do a 1 minute task of looking up the photo of the matching name.. The bad guy was a 25 yr old and my Father was 63 at the time! Once they got a photo they let my father go deal with our missed flights.

[Homosassa]

3 hours ago, DirtyDawg said:

Morel of these stories......

 

 

 

Our border patrol use hockey sticks for their full diagnostic searches! 🏒 🤯

 

 

 

 

This would certainly be "fungus" to have happen. 😊

 

(posted by a fellow poster who has bad typing skills and worse proofreading ability)

[shipgeeks]

3 hours ago, island lady said:

I am assuming the luggage we put out into the hallway for pick up the next morning in the terminal, is probably "sniffed".   But what about "self assist"?   Which seems to be more than half the ship lately.  

The dog walks up the line in Immigration/Customs, so self-assist bags are sniffed, as well as the ones piled up in the terminal.

Edited December 27, 2022 by shipgeeks
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[crewsweeper]

Years ago  when you had to show your declaration form and any purchases to Customs on the way out, we were pulled aside and a search was conducted with carry-on.  I had 3 bottles of booze. but nothing else.  No search of checked luggage.  i do remember some guy in another line arguing about his coconuts and some other artifacts he was trying to bring in.

 

But random searches aren't necessarily a bad thing.  And they don't really take that much time.

[Deeliteful]

Following an Alaskan cruise about 5 years ago, I was stopped by Security at Vancouver airport when the hand luggage conveyor stopped. Everyone was moved except me!

I knew I wasn’t carrying anything I shouldn’t so didn’t give it much thought.

Out of my hand luggage came an evening bag with “rings” as a clasp, so looked like some form of knuckle duster!! 😱

They did, of course, send me on my way but kept my bag. No idea why I didn’t pack it but hey ho.

 

 

[shipgeeks]

We were once pulled out of the line waiting to check in, at our home airport; told that if we agreed to a baggage search we could jump the line and they would prioritize us.  We agreed.  We were taken to a separate area, where our bags were somewhat thoroughly searched; enough to wrinkle my linen slacks.  Why us?  Maybe being ordinary-looking is what the bad guys strive for.  Maybe they just wanted to stay busy, or practice doing searches.

[DirtyDawg]

1 hour ago, Homosassa said:

This would certainly be "fungus" to have happen. 😊

 

(posted by a fellow poster who has bad typing skills and worse proofreading ability)

When will I ever learn not to post before at my second cup of coffee in the morning! ☕ ☕

 

Or after my second Irish whiskey in the evenings! 🥃🥃

 

 😁