mcrcruiser Posted January 7, 2023 #1 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Seems to us reading these board that the cuts in the dining room 7 else where is nothing new .Holland America & Princess are doing the exact same things .what starts in one cruise line is usually followed by the other cruise lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruising.mark.uk Posted January 7, 2023 #2 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Wow. Different entities in the same industry basing commercial decisions on what their closest competitors are doing. Who'd have thought it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare horseymike Posted January 7, 2023 #3 Share Posted January 7, 2023 (edited) The cruise lines are doing anything they can to offset the mountain of debt they have accumulated. If the customers will keep booking, they will keep cutting. Edited January 7, 2023 by horseymike 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los_Pepes Posted January 7, 2023 #4 Share Posted January 7, 2023 22 minutes ago, cruising.mark.uk said: Wow. Different entities in the same industry basing commercial decisions on what their closest competitors are doing. Who'd have thought it? That happens when when the three largest cruise companies have a combined 85% market share. Competition in sparse and they can simply mimic each others reduction in services without any real fallout. Just look at what happened when we were left with 3 mainline air carriers. When one puts in a new fee before the ink is dry on the press release, the other two follow suit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGW59 Posted January 7, 2023 #5 Share Posted January 7, 2023 7 hours ago, mcrcruiser said: Seems to us reading these board that the cuts in the dining room 7 else where is nothing new .Holland America & Princess are doing the exact same things .what starts in one cruise line is usually followed by the other cruise lines There is a vast difference in "reading" these boards vs actual personal "experience" on board the ship. Lord knows if there aren't oatmeal raisin cookies avaialble at the exact moment someone glides by in the OV cafe or the freakin lemon tarts at Al Bacio are a tad smaller than they were the last time someone cruised, they are going to be on the CC mountain screaming all about it. 10 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrhdhd Posted January 7, 2023 #6 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Not sure what your point is. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viperfoth Posted January 7, 2023 #7 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Well I have to add there was no Oatmeal cookies our whole cruise on Equinox in December! So it must be cuts 🙂 JK, the food was amazing on Equinox and plenty of it. And I talked to the Food and Beverage manager when she was walking around and she said they just randomly pick cookies to bake. This time was peanut butter. So tinfoil hat on that one got removed 😄 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare horseymike Posted January 7, 2023 #8 Share Posted January 7, 2023 3 hours ago, LGW59 said: There is a vast difference in "reading" these boards vs actual personal "experience" on board the ship. Lord knows if there aren't oatmeal raisin cookies avaialble at the exact moment someone glides by in the OV cafe or the freakin lemon tarts at Al Bacio are a tad smaller than they were the last time someone cruised, they are going to be on the CC mountain screaming all about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare horseymike Posted January 7, 2023 #9 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Those lemon tarts are still quite good. Now I ask for 2. 😋 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miched Posted January 7, 2023 #10 Share Posted January 7, 2023 So this means that Celebrity 9 hours ago, viperfoth said: Well I have to add there was no Oatmeal cookies our whole cruise on Equinox in December! So it must be cuts 🙂 Supply issue 🤗. No oatmeal? Tons of it at Costco and cheap. Happy cruising 🌊🚢🇺🇸🌅 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RD64 Posted January 7, 2023 #11 Share Posted January 7, 2023 During Covid everyone was saying just get me back onboard- I don’t care about anything else. Now people are complaining about everything else. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weregoingcruising Posted January 8, 2023 #12 Share Posted January 8, 2023 43 minutes ago, miched said: So this means that Celebrity Supply issue 🤗. No oatmeal? Tons of it at Costco and cheap. Happy cruising 🌊🚢🇺🇸🌅 I heard at Costco the package's are larger than other stores. I could never be able to buy a 1 ton package no matter how cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Airbalancer Posted January 8, 2023 #13 Share Posted January 8, 2023 10 hours ago, LGW59 said: There is a vast difference in "reading" these boards vs actual personal "experience" on board the ship. Lord knows if there aren't oatmeal raisin cookies avaialble at the exact moment someone glides by in the OV cafe or the freakin lemon tarts at Al Bacio are a tad smaller than they were the last time someone cruised, they are going to be on the CC mountain screaming all about it. You know their Oatmeal raisin cookies aren’t that good , pretty easy to make better ones 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Med Posted January 8, 2023 #14 Share Posted January 8, 2023 11 hours ago, Los_Pepes said: That happens when when the three largest cruise companies have a combined 85% market share. Competition in sparse, just look at what happened when we were left with 3 mainline air carriers. Exactly this. Premium brands, airlines, and now cruise lines, at one time striving to be the best in the business, trying to stay one step ahead of the competition. Now, sadly, it’s a race to the bottom. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGW59 Posted January 8, 2023 #15 Share Posted January 8, 2023 21 minutes ago, Ex-Airbalancer said: You know their Oatmeal raisin cookies aren’t that good , pretty easy to make better ones It's OK, the pastries at Il Bacio are amazing, I spend more time there than I do in my room 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpdog42 Posted January 8, 2023 #16 Share Posted January 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, The Med said: Exactly this. Premium brands, airlines, and now cruise lines, at one time striving to be the best in the business, trying to stay one step ahead of the competition. Now, sadly, it’s a race to the bottom. Mic Drop.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Airbalancer Posted January 8, 2023 #17 Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 hour ago, LGW59 said: It's OK, the pastries at Il Bacio are amazing, I spend more time there than I do in my room I am still upset they didn’t have Apple fritters on the Apex🤬😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Jim_Iain Posted January 8, 2023 #18 Share Posted January 8, 2023 8 hours ago, horseymike said: Those lemon tarts are still quite good. Now I ask for 2. 😋 I was holding off... hey don't attack my Lemon Tarts.... I'm disappointed when they have the chocolate ones instead - so have a couple in reserve --- Just in case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayleeman Posted January 8, 2023 #19 Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) The Ranger cookies on RCL are the best. If they go, I go. Edited January 8, 2023 by mayleeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare NutsAboutGolf Posted January 8, 2023 #20 Share Posted January 8, 2023 17 hours ago, Los_Pepes said: That happens when when the three largest cruise companies have a combined 85% market share. Competition in sparse and they can simply mimic each others reduction in services without any real fallout. Just look at what happened when we were left with 3 mainline air carriers. When one puts in a new fee before the ink is dry on the press release, the other two follow suit. Only thing about cruise lines is they are in competition with themselves and visiting by land Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguins Posted January 8, 2023 #21 Share Posted January 8, 2023 On 1/7/2023 at 6:58 AM, mcrcruiser said: Seems to us reading these board that the cuts in the dining room 7 else where is nothing new .Holland America & Princess are doing the exact same things .what starts in one cruise line is usually followed by the other cruise lines We will soon see. We have our first Princess cruise in March which still has a 24 hour buffet and a 24 hour International Cafe (coffee shop with more food options than Al Bacio). We switched to this cruise during X's experiment with compolsary AI back on X for the October TA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepcman Posted January 8, 2023 #22 Share Posted January 8, 2023 I don't want to rain on your parade but got off the Enchanted Princess a few weeks ago and we experienced all the same issues that people are writing on these boards. Staffing shortages, few activities, poor service and poor food quality. Lots of food choices but it all tasted the same and for me to pass on sweets, just says it all. It was so bad that once we recovered from the Covid that we caught on the ship, I called and cancelled the 6 cruises that we had booked with them. Carnival's $28.5 billion debt load is forcing them to cut costs everywhere. In the end I think you mat be changing 4 quarters for a dollar but live and learn. Good luck 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABoatNerd Posted January 8, 2023 #23 Share Posted January 8, 2023 The downgrading was at full speed before covid, which resulted in our household and cruising friends not cruising since 2018. Downgrading will accelerate in this industry for the many reasons stated across all CC forums. However, we all commenced customized land trips via Globus and Mighty Trains and private guides all across Europe - the BEST vacation experience. The sights, local food, local experiences so amazing, it blew cruising to the curb, with a few exceptions like Norway, South America etc. It depends upon what you want, but seeing and experiencing the world is better ashore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare horseymike Posted January 8, 2023 #24 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Thanks for the tip . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare cruisemom42 Posted January 8, 2023 #25 Share Posted January 8, 2023 23 minutes ago, ABoatNerd said: However, we all commenced customized land trips via Globus and Mighty Trains and private guides all across Europe - the BEST vacation experience. The sights, local food, local experiences so amazing, it blew cruising to the curb, with a few exceptions like Norway, South America etc. It depends upon what you want, but seeing and experiencing the world is better ashore. Some of us already do this (as well as independent land travel to other countries) and have been doing it for years. Does not replace cruising. At least not for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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