Required vs Recommended

[swedish weave]

 

Still doesn't add up for me.....

 

 

I expected that SOME would not understand.

[Redtravel]

Who cares what the wording is. On my most recent Celebrity cruise, the formal attire was wear anything. People in tuxedos and people in crew neck tees with jeans. The only thing that I did see excluded was a guy in shorts. He was stopped at the door and told to leave. Years ago, Celebrity did exclude people who didn't comply with their written codes. Lately, it has changed. Except for the shorts, it seems that you can wear almost anything on formal night in the MDR. Celebrity is just facing the fact that dress codes are guidelines which most people follow. However, there are some folks that choose to do their own thing. As long as they aren't excluded , they will continue to dress as they please. If that continues, within a few years, you will see more casual than formal. For me, it doesn't matter. As long as the clothes are clean and the person is clean ( I hate BO) , it's just fine.

[dkjretired]

With all the debates about whether the dress code for formal nights are required or recommended, I found this wording from another cruise line to be interesting:

 

"These requirements are not mandatory; however, in order to re-create a classic and memorable dining experience for you and all our Guests, we recommend the attire schedule that is planned for your cruise."

 

Bottom line is if then can refuse you admittance to a particular venue than it is required. The rest does not apply to Celebrity since dress code only applies to MDR. This assumes they enforce the rules which over the past few years they have not.

 

Has nothing to do with class...

[dkjretired]

 

Still doesn't add up for me.....

 

Same here, don't get the comparison....

[dmk]

OMG! How many times do you want to bring this up!

Whoever talked about a "dead horse" is absolutely right.

It is what it is.

[cruzsnooze]

What someone wears doesn't effect my experience. When people show up more then 10 minutes late to the dining room it does effect me and makes the process stop so the waiter can catch up, that is more of an issue to me then what anyone wears.

[C 2 C]

I believe the topic was not so much about dress code but the wording that would clarify to passengers what is expected. I don't care what the policy is but I do like to discuss the meaning of words even when they are meaningless. ;)

[ORV]

It is interesting that some want others to strictly adhere to the suggested dress codes and are critical of those who choose to wear different attire. HOWEVER -- Those same people think it is great to book a cruise for less money than the suggested book price of the cruise and boast about the GOOD DEALS they got.

 

Sort of double standards Isn't it ?? If the written word is law, then all should apply.

 

Keep one thing in mind about dress codes. If you see an "underdressed" person in the MDR on formal nights, that person was allowed to dine there by the cruise line personnel. They determine who is properly dressed, and your opinion is just an opinion. The person who is dining there should not be criticized for the attire they are wearing because it was accepted by the cruise line..

 

 

The logic is that the published dress codes are repeatedly pushed on CC boards as something everyone MUST do, but the published prices of cruises do not mean anything to the same people. They choose which items are important to them, and try to make all others follow their ideas.

 

 

 

I expected that SOME would not understand.

 

I think if you took a poll you're not going to find anyone that understands, agrees with you, or follows your logic here. But take comfort, obviously you're more intelligent than everyone else here.

[Bridge Maven]

I believe the topic was not so much about dress code but the wording that would clarify to passengers what is expected. I don't care what the policy is but I do like to discuss the meaning of words even when they are meaningless. ;)

 

Nereus - I agree that it is questionable to use the word requirement for something that is not mandatory. At the same time, I feel their further description clearly implied that it is not mandatory but they expected their passengers to comply with it.

 

BTW - When I took that cruise I did not see anyone who did not comply with the dress code even though it wasn't "mandatory".

[Kevnzworld]

Nereus - I agree that it is questionable to use the word requirement for something that is not mandatory. At the same time, I feel their further description clearly implied that it is not mandatory but they expected their passengers to comply with it.

 

BTW - When I took that cruise I did not see anyone who did not comply with the dress code even though it wasn't "mandatory".

 

Exactly. The statement is worded In a way to suggest that to not comply would infringe on the enjoyment of other passengers. It isn't about what each person wears as an individual, but the atmosphere that is created and maintained with group participation.

But I like booking the Tuesday specials, and the music in the Martini lounge, so what do I know!

[teacherman]

We have done 24 cruises and stopped taking formal wear after #10. It is simply a matter of comfort. On most lines, we simply dine in the buffet on formal nights. BUT, on some cruises, waiters have told us that we are very welcome on formal night, even if we do not have formal clothes. We recently returned from Celebrity Century to Alaska. On formal night, dressed in dark slacks and dark shirt, I decided to try the dining room. At the door, I was greeted with a smile, a reminder that it was formal night, and offered a sport coat (off a rack of several). I accepted and put on the coat which was not the correct size. We were then seated and our waiter immediately told me that I could hang the coat on the back of my chair. I did so, as did several other men. This whole little "charade" seemed to satisfy all, as I was "formalized" when I walked to my table. I was fine with this. I do not wish to ruin anyone else's evening by having them appalled that I have not followed the "rules". It was a great cruise and I have written a review.

[Petoonya]

With all the debates about whether the dress code for formal nights are required or recommended, I found this wording from another cruise line to be interesting:

 

"These requirements are not mandatory; however, in order to re-create a classic and memorable dining experience for you and all our Guests, we recommend the attire schedule that is planned for your cruise."

 

Nicely worded. It's just a suggestion by the cruise line, and leaves the ultimate decision up to the passenger.

Kind of like traffic signals in Italy.

[Orator]

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[navyrotorhead]

OMG! How many times do you want to bring this up!

 

Whoever talked about a "dead horse" is absolutely right.

 

It is what it is.

 

 

No living horse was beaten, or in any other manner, harmed, during the course of this discussion.:rolleyes:

 

Any horse that MAY have been beaten during the course of this discussion, was thoroughly examined by competent medical authority and determined to be dead BEFORE any such beating MAY have taken place.:D

 

In the event that any DEAD horse MAY have been beaten during the course of this discussion, the tenderized horsemeat is properly inspected and graded by the USDA prior to being served during formal night dining but ONLY in the MDR and only to people NOT wearing Formal Attire:p

[Karynanne]

No living horse was beaten, or in any other manner, harmed, during the course of this discussion.:rolleyes:

 

Any horse that MAY have been beaten during the course of this discussion, was thoroughly examined by competent medical authority and determined to be dead BEFORE any such beating MAY have taken place.:D

 

In the event that any DEAD horse MAY have been beaten during the course of this discussion, the tenderized horsemeat is properly inspected and graded by the USDA prior to being served during formal night dining but ONLY in the MDR and only to people NOT wearing Formal Attire:p

 

May the aforementioned horse lay in peace...

[sarafinadh]

Yumm... Filet d' Chevaline with a soupçon of bérnaise....

 

FWIW on one formal night I saw a couple dressed nicely, but casually, ahead of us in the line. I noticed them leaving the line when they reached the front and assumed (I know, dangerous) that they decided independently to forgo the MDR.

 

On the rest of the nights the Spouse said that the table behind us came to dinner in sweats every night, but I have to admit I never noticed. And it didn't impact my enjoyment at all. I saw many well dressed people, some very formally and some less so on all of the nights, not just the formal nights, although the "gowns" were reserved for those two nights.

 

As it turned out in our family party all of the men, except the Spouse in his dinner suit (tux), wore suits, even my handsome nephews (13 and 15)

 

And the ladies/girls all wore some version of festive attire, dresses or skirts, so the family dressed up a bit more than I expected. But I never noticed any big discrepancies, the line into the dining room was full of well dressed happy people.

 

It's such a big hubbub in there that it's hard to focus on anyone one person or table long enough to really take in the level of dress.

[C 2 C]

May the aforementioned horse lay in peace...

 

Lay in that context would require a live horse... ;)

Perhaps it died with a smile on its face.

 

May the horse rest in peace or lie in peace would be more appropriate for the censors. :o

 

Oh the power of words...

[Sascol]

It is interesting that some want others to strictly adhere to the suggested dress codes and are critical of those who choose to wear different attire. HOWEVER -- Those same people think it is great to book a cruise for less money than the suggested book price of the cruise and boast about the GOOD DEALS they got...

 

How on EARTH did you come up with that? Do you have a list that shows the names of the people?

[Denny01]

No living horse was beaten, or in any other manner, harmed, during the course of this discussion.:rolleyes:

 

Any horse that MAY have been beaten during the course of this discussion, was thoroughly examined by competent medical authority and determined to be dead BEFORE any such beating MAY have taken place.:D

 

In the event that any DEAD horse MAY have been beaten during the course of this discussion, the tenderized horsemeat is properly inspected and graded by the USDA prior to being served during formal night dining but ONLY in the MDR and only to people NOT wearing Formal Attire:p

 

Naaah, this doesnt get us off the hook for abusing a dead horse by making sure it is dead before we bet it.....there Is abuse of a corpse, and mistreatment of the dead, and not properly disposing of the dearly departed......

 

And I agree with Sascol, still waiting for that list of those posters who insist we wear proper dress to the MDR who are also big on not paying the 'published price'. Heck, I know many of us on both sides of the Dress Code Isle who dont pay the published price....its called discounts and OBCs, and New Bookings and all that stuff.

 

Now those that go around abusing (not a dead horse in this example) the system to get some discount, such as blowing whatever out of proportion (I saw a guy wearing an open-neck shirt in the MDR on Formal night and it ruined my cruise....I want a 50% discount for my next one!!), that happens, but I have no idea how some poster makes the connection of that person being a member of the Dress Code Goon Squad or the I'll Wear my Speedo If I feel Like it Gang.

 

Den

[rebeccalouiseagain]

I noticed on the Alaska cruise (Infinity 7/6/12) that many people opted to eat dinner in the buffet. My son (age 11) and I either did the buffet or Qsine and never made it to the MDR. We brought formal attire but never wore it. When we did go to the shows- I made him dress in long pants and a collared shirt and I wore evening attire because I respect the dress code.

 

We have cruised so much that we aren't into the MDR at this point. We like to do a casual cruise and we enjoyed Bistro on Five and Qsine because you could dress however you wanted. We never looked like slobs mind you- but I'm not even going to bother packing my formal things for the next cruise.

[navyrotorhead]

Naaah, this doesnt get us off the hook for abusing a dead horse by making sure it is dead before we bet it.....there Is abuse of a corpse, and mistreatment of the dead, and not properly disposing of the dearly departed......

 

Den

 

The rest of us are talking about BEATING a dead horse, and here you are BETTING on it.:D I'm not a gambling man, (except when I wear my flip flops to the MDR on Formal Night:eek:) but the odds can't be very good, can they?:p

 

By the way, due to my equine centered crusade of compassion, I have just been awarded a lifetime membership in PETA (Peolpe Eating Tasty Animals) Alas, my work here is done.;)

[Denny01]

The rest of us are talking about BEATING a dead horse, and here you are BETTING on it.:D I'm not a gambling man, (except when I wear my flip flops to the MDR on Formal Night:eek:) but the odds can't be very good, can they?:p

 

By the way, due to my equine centered crusade of compassion, I have just been awarded a lifetime membership in PETA (Peolpe Eating Tasty Animals) Alas, my work here is done.;)

Considering my 'luck' in the Casino, I think I was 'betting' on a dead horse!

 

Den

[tserface]

My wife and I were just talking at lunch about how on our next cruise we're leaving the formal stuff behind and just eating elsewhere on formal nights. It's just not worth the cost and trouble to bring along the fancy clothes. As much as we enjoy it.

 

Pretty soon this will be a great source of revenue for the cruise lines forcing people to eat at pay restaurants for formal nights. We should be careful or they may up the count to 4 nights on a 12 day cruise. The sad part is it means giving up lobster night, but not having to haul and pay for the extra suitcase on the plane will be really nice.

 

:)

 

Tom

 

I noticed on the Alaska cruise (Infinity 7/6/12) that many people opted to eat dinner in the buffet. My son (age 11) and I either did the buffet or Qsine and never made it to the MDR. We brought formal attire but never wore it. When we did go to the shows- I made him dress in long pants and a collared shirt and I wore evening attire because I respect the dress code.

 

We have cruised so much that we aren't into the MDR at this point. We like to do a casual cruise and we enjoyed Bistro on Five and Qsine because you could dress however you wanted. We never looked like slobs mind you- but I'm not even going to bother packing my formal things for the next cruise.

[Tara Jane]

In Australia - dead horse means tomato sauce, or tomato ketchup to those across the pond. In fact we can get both sauce and ketchup here, ketchup having a bit more zing.

[ORDMan]

It is simply a matter of proper manners and good taste. Those who possess the aforesaid follow the dress code, whether it is suggested or required.

 

We can always count on you to make such a comment on any thread regarding dress codes. Perhaps you would be more comfortable on Cunard as well, given that most of us on Celebrity are attempting to enjoy our vacation. This is made all the more difficult by glaring stares on formal night from people with your opinion, who should probably be on Cunard or Crystal but for whatever reason have to settle for Celebrity.