No One Makes You Cruise on Celebrity, So Why Flame People Who Comment About Their Own Experiences?

[CRZR58]

It's not just the Celebrity forum or CC, it's every online forum.

 

The 'Cheerleader's' want everyone to just say good things. They go out of their way to 'attack' those who say anything that's not positive. They can't understand why everyone doesn't see things the way they do and they expect those with complaints to stop posting and go somewhere else.

 

The 'Eeyore's' can't find anything good to say. They go out of their way to 'attack' those who thing things are fine. They can't understand why everyone else doesn't see things they way they do and expect those with 'Rose Coloured Glasses' to stop posting good things.

 

The 'Every-man's' just want to read everyone's experiences so they have the best info to go by. They take both the Cheerleader's and the Eeyore's for what they are and make up their own minds.

[Fish Lover]

I would enjoy the opportunity to meet you onboard and converse face to face rather than just on CC. There are so many other parts to communication than just words.

 

 

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Same here, and I agree there is much lost communicating online. Not only that, but believe it or not, I'm a real marshmallow most of the time :)

[golfguyhhi]

Host Jazzbeau and Portofinoitaly,

 

I had to laugh as I read your comments as I know you are referring to the poster I call The Captain of the Regent Cheerleader Squad. Then I laughed again when CRZR58 referred to "Cheerleaders" in his post.

 

By the way, do you think it might be obsessive to average more than 5 posts a day, every day of the year, for more than 11 years, on CC?

 

I can't tell you how many of her posts have made me want to respond, but my common sense intervenes and tells me that whatever I post, it will pointed out that I am wrong, haven't cruised on her line recently, or that I should take my business to some other, lesser-quality cruise line.

 

Maybe maturity brings (some) wisdom, and at my age, I finally figured out how to avoid rising to the bait.

Edited June 18, 2017 by golfguyhhi
Misspelled "how" as "who" in last sentence

[Lois R]

Guess I don't post enough anymore to know who ya'll are talking about:eek: but it is really, REALLY sad if there are folks

who are scaring other people away from cruising different lines:( or maybe it has always been that way and I am just

getting too old to remember:eek:

[TrulyBlonde]

Host Jazzbeau and Portofinoitaly,

 

I had to laugh as I read your comments as I know you are referring to the poster I call The Captain of the Regent Cheerleader Squad. Then I laughed again when CRZR58 referred to "Cheerleaders" in his post.

 

By the way, do you think it might be obsessive to average more than 5 posts a day, every day of the year, for more than 11 years, on CC?

 

I can't tell you how many of her posts have made me want to respond, but my common sense intervenes and tells me that whatever I post, it will pointed out that I am wrong, haven't cruised on her line recently, or that I should take my business to some other, lesser-quality cruise line.

 

Maybe maturity brings (some) wisdom, and at my age, I finally figured out how to avoid rising to the bait.

 

LOL! you caught me ;)...I took the bait a few times, but when anyone does not agree, the thread ends up in the deleted file.

 

Although, I bit the bullet, if another cruise line comes up with a similar itinerary, I am outta there. I keep looking and praying. 2019 is a long time away :)

[jayoldschool]

There's more than a few around here that don't know which definition of "Critic"

applies to the name of this site.

 

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[A Sixth?]

I speak from experience, as there is a certain line I will never try because of one poster on its forum]

 

 

I have also been frightened off of another cruise line due to a poster that makes anyone who disagrees "walk the plank". However, they have a wonderful itinerary in 2019 and I bit the bullet ;)

 

I for one would love to know what line(s) you're each referring to. :evilsmile:

[TrulyBlonde]

I for one would love to know what line(s) you're each referring to. :evilsmile:

 

No need to worry because the "Cheerleader" would not sail on X as it is a Mass Market line. She only likes her PURRRFECT cruise line and let's everyone know. Hint.

[upwarduk]

---but made it very clear that they felt the 'critical' comment was out of order.

 

 

Rude comments can be removed by clicking on the warning triangle at the top right of a post.

[peteukmcr]

I agree that some of the replies on some of the cruise line threads on CC are awful. The Celebrity board is quite well mannered compared to some, and yes, we have decided to cancel a cruise we had booked on a line for the 1st time, purely because of the attitude of some on CC.

 

I know that those on CC to be honest, only make up a small minority of those on board a ship, but when it would appear that their views are a good representation of the majority aboard, there is no way we want to mix with them.

 

I have also considered leaving CC as a result of some posters and their derogatory comments, but I like helping those with questions, be that about the cruise line, the ports we've visited, travelling in the UK or Europe or flying to join the ship. So I've stayed.

 

I also appreciate the feedback from those having sailed on ships I'm planning to cruise on or visited the ports of call I've not had the opportunity to visit.

 

A fine example was a post that advised those of us with upcoming cruises that X were having a 72 flash sale. That was so useful to me.

 

However, I am tired of the cheerleaders on one particular cruise line that just will not acknowledge some other lines (including Celebrity) have a far superior boarding process (IMHO) and delight searching for, and quoting 'negative' comments from the Celebrity board to try and justify their stance.

 

Having said all this, at least it's nothing like on social media. I have been removed from groups without warning, just because I didn't agree with the 'cheerleaders' and presented an alternative view point.

 

Even now on social media there is a thread where some one asked for advice whether to sail on Celebrity's sister line for a lot more $, or a competitor. The number of rude and vile comments has to be read to be believed. Funny thing is, just like on CC, if someone asks a question, many just said, 'No', 'Never', but didn't provide backup information. That's when I ask 'why?' and they just can't provide an answer.

 

You would think that they owned the cruise line the way they defend it. The more amusing fact is that many have never sailed on another line, so have nothing to compare their 'fantastic' experiences with. At least I've sailed several lines and can see the plus and minus of all of them.

[C 2 C]

Guess I don't post enough anymore to know who ya'll are talking about:eek: but it is really, REALLY sad if there are folks

who are scaring other people away from cruising different lines:( or maybe it has always been that way and I am just getting too old to remember:eek:

 

I remember the good old days all too well... the days before modern luxury brought so many changes that seem to have caused a major split in opinions.

The boards seemed a bit more civil.

Like you, I don't post as much as I used to but troll a bit.

 

Everyone who reads the boards has to develop a 6th sense which I call the "Crap Detector".

 

There are names we have come to respect and others that exercise my eyes as they roll over and over...;)

[Lastdance]

Same here, and I agree there is much lost communicating online. Not only that, but believe it or not, I'm a real marshmallow most of the time :)

 

 

 

I actually believe that you could be a marshmallow, but I will not refer to you as one!

 

 

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[NLH Arizona]

Don't you think that calling folks names like cheerleaders or saying they have rose colored glasses on, because they disagree with you is just antagonizing the posters. If one disagrees, why can they not say "I disagree" or "this is my experience" and leave the name calling out of it, because it happens on both sides.

 

I know we all think that only our opinion counts, but there are a lot of folks posting and everyone's opinion is just as important as the next poster, even if they disagree. Many of us have been around Celebrity for a lot of years and still feel that there is value, if someone doesn't agree, that is their opinion and they have just as much right to post it as those that diagree with them.

[Happy Cruiser 6143]

Celebrity knows how many cabins it has to fill, and thanks to your Captains Club membership they know if you're rebooking or leaving. If you are leaving ( and seek a status match) it will know if RCL still gets your money.

 

They know how far in advance you book, what cabins you book, how much you spend in the casino, the bar, what you drink. Plus loads more thanks to Captains Club.

 

They're bound to have an idea if people are leaving, and know whether they've replaced you with a more profitable one, or not.

 

Really? You're giving them a lot of credit. Remember, this is the gang that can't even run a functioning website and has two different databases that can't seem to talk to one another. My guess is they haven't a clue.

[dkjretired]

Celebrity board is actually much more tame than it was years ago. Remember, many of the contentious issues are now for the most part very limited. Smoking, dress code, etc. Some have evolved like children on cruise ships and some topics surrounding them. We used to get major threads and arguments that Children do not belong on cruise ships, period. Also, they do not belong on Celebrity ships, period. Another hot topic with children was taking them out of school.

 

I think the most annoying thing to me is when you simply answer a question and posters don't read the answer. This bugged me with dress code discussions, for a couple of years I simply answered the question and did not give an opinion at all. I was called both a cheerleader and detractor for answering the question only.

 

This is directed to the posters who mentioned about the cheerleader on one of the other lines and refers to what happened years ago on the Disney Board. When Disney first came out with their ships Cruise Critic was solely on AOL, not the internet. You could not post anything which was critical of Disney no matter how small or you would have had not only very negative comments posted but also be attacked on instant message.

[Straughn]

Just as with all forms of social media, people who are rude or insulting to other posters are hiding behind their anonymity. Basically, what they do is a form of bullying and they do it because they can get away with it.

[duchesslt]

It really doesn't do any good to rant and rave about stuff you didn't like on Cruise Critic. You need to deal with it while you're on the ship. If you have a substantive complaint, my experience has been that they will deal with it. I walked into my sky suite a few cruises ago and found some sort of hoist thing blocking my view from my balcony. Really? An obstructed view from a sky suite? I simply sat down and wrote a letter to the hotel director stating that I objected to paying full price for an obstructed view cabin and that I believed Celebrity ought to disclose the fact that the cabin had an obstructed view and price it accordingly. I received a very substantial credit for my next Celebrity cruise.

I like the point that others have made about facts vs. opinion. My opinion is that I don't care for Tuscan. I've been there 3 times and just haven't enjoyed the food or the service. Others love it. Those are opinions. The fact is: Tuscan is a restaurant.

 

I didn't particularly care for Tuscan but my family really enjoyed it. It could be that I eat at very, very good restaurants at the level of 11 Madison Park, so reviews of "good" or "bad" can, like everything, be relative to the overall experiences a poster has had. I could see someone who is subjected to chain restaurants or who live in areas not known for gastronomy to have a different experience.

 

I didn't particularly care for the waiter service in the MDR. We got tiring jokes and dissertations about filling out survey cards by an overly attentive waiter that I found annoying but someone else who likes staff attention might have found it to be great service. Actually, looking back my husband and kids enjoyed him. There are lots of waiters in the MDR so obviously hard to know if they are all trained to be chatty and interactive or we just had the one guy like this.

 

I found the world class bar to be a good bar with good bartenders that lets one best take advantage of the premium drink package. The bartenders mixed the cocktails well and the brands available at the bar were decent and would truly cost $13 in a land based vacation resort.

 

I found the sky bar on solstice Alaska to be a bartending travesty with poor service and bad, rude bartenders who made inconsistent, mostly bad drinks. I will give an example - they took with 4 people sitting at the bar 10 minutes to attend to my husband and brother. They ran out of sour mix and we caught them using Rose's lime syrup instead vs. going to get more and apologizing to customer to explain the wait. We were 2 hours and a few glasses empty on our table before I went and got my own tray to clear it.

 

I also found the "premium" wine selection to be quite "meh". The ship boasted about being able to get "Decoy" cabernet on the premium drink package. It's a $20 bottle and not great or premium. Giving it a $13 a glass price and calling it premium doesn't make it so.

 

I can only share my experience and people need to decide for themselves if they sense that they would relate to the poster's point of view and preferences or not. I tend to look for patterns in things people did enjoy when reading reviews to guide my choices.

 

I will shortly write up my celebrity solstice review. We had a nice time, beautiful ship, enjoyed it and mostly great staff.

 

...But celebrity billing themselves as "modern luxury" falls quite short. I think I could say with a high degree of certainty that Celebrity is not "luxury". It's a good product comparable to a land vacation Marriott resort. I suppose if you stay at Days Inn, Marriott could be a luxury experience for you. But if you stay at Marriott, you would consider Four Seasons or Mandarin Oriental to be luxury.

 

Flame me all you want - it's what I have to say and a lot of frequent traveler posters will understand my point of view of the celebrity product and might get a perspective they can relate to.

Edited June 19, 2017 by duchesslt

[Bo1953]

I didn't particularly care for Tuscan but my family really enjoyed it. It could be that I eat at very, very good restaurants at the level of 11 Madison Park, so reviews of "good" or "bad" can, like everything, be relative to the overall experiences a poster has had. I could see someone who is subjected to chain restaurants or who live in areas not known for gastronomy to have a different experience.

 

I didn't particularly care for the waiter service in the MDR. We got tiring jokes and dissertations about filling out survey cards by an overly attentive waiter that I found annoying but someone else who likes staff attention might have found it to be great service. Actually, looking back my husband and kids enjoyed him. There are lots of waiters in the MDR so obviously hard to know if they are all trained to be chatty and interactive or we just had the one guy like this.

 

I found the world class bar to be a good bar with good bartenders that lets one best take advantage of the premium drink package and the sky bar on solstice Alaska to be a bartending travesty with poor service and bad, rude bartenders who made inconsistent, mostly bad drinks. I also found the "premium" wine selection to be quite subpar. The ship boasted about being able to get "Decoy" cabernet on the premium drink package. It's a very average to below average $20 bottle. Giving it a $13 a glass price and calling it premium doesn't make it so.

 

I can only share my experience and people need to decide for themselves if they sense that they would relate to the poster's point of view and preferences or not. I tend to look for patterns in things people did enjoy when reading reviews to guide my choices.

 

I will shortly write up my celebrity solstice review. We had a nice time, beautiful ship, enjoyed it and mostly great staff.

 

...But celebrity billing themselves as "modern luxury" falls quite short. I think I could say with a high degree of certainty that Celebrity is not "luxury". It's a good product comparable to a land vacation Marriott resort. I suppose if you stay at Days Inn, Marriott could be a luxury experience for you. But if you stay at Marriott, you would consider Four Seasons or Mandarin Oriental to be luxury.

 

Flame me all you want - it's what I have to say and a lot of frequent traveler posters will understand my point of view of the celebrity product and might get a perspective they can relate to.

 

Thank you for your post, it sounds like you are not on the right line, at the moment.

 

 

There is no reason, I can readily think of, for you to be flamed. You stated your opinion and preferences.

 

Seems as if your family has not caught up to your travel preferences, yet.

 

Thank you for your perspective, it is appreciated, at least by me.

 

I think X is very good, overall, in its' market and while I do enjoy properties of the likes of the Ritz, an equal cruise line is currently beyond what I want to pay at the moment.

 

bon voyage....

[Hlitner]

Every cruise line (here on CC) has their share of "cheerleaders" who do not tolerate anything negative about their beloved lines. It is the "nature of the beast" when posting to any blog (not just on CC) and being "flamed" has long been a part of the internet (and on other modes before there even was a world wide web). As one who has been a long time blogger, you must learn to have "tough skin" and accept that being flamed is just part of the territory. It can be helpful to understand that folks often have differences in their point of view...and folks also have different experiences on a cruise. If you happen to be in the only cabin (on a large ship) where the A/C does not function (and nothing can be done) you might think differently then those who had no A/C issues. And you might all be right :). When trying to assess differing points of view it can be helpful to look for trends.

 

For those that argue that every cruise line blog has been negative or talking about cut backs....this is simply not true. We follow many different cruise lines here on CC (because we have been on 14 lines with a 15th booked) and most are not as negative as we see here on the Celebrity blog. HAL went through a pretty negative 2 years (on CC) but the recent trends have been much more positive despite some pretty negative ship reviews (in the Review area of CC). Read the MSC blog and you will seldom see anything negative other then complaints about their web site. Oceania has few negative posts. Princess has pro and con....with some similarities to Celebrity's posts.

 

Differences of opinion are what free speech is about and CC is no exception.

 

Hank

[Lastdance]

Yes, thank you for your perspective. You stated your thoughts perfectly and I totally understood your point of view. It so much depends on where you are coming from, at this point in your life, duchessit...flaming would be more about the flamed and not your viewpoint!!! I get it[emoji844]

 

 

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[Can'tstopcruising]

A lot of us get upset when we "really" know the reason for removing the auto tip. Do remember that some (like me) do depend on gratuities for part of our salary & when I see pax do this, it's really stiffing those who took care of you. We get real tired of hearing about "Well it's not MY job to see that the cruise lines pay you a good wage". I know you're from a generally non tipping culture, but when people are in a region where tips are part of the norm, then they should respect that norm. Simple as that.

 

You seem to forget that most of the people we tip on a cruiseship are NOT from tipping cultures.

 

Head office may be in the US, but that's it.

 

Not saying one should remove tips, just saying most are from very different cultures where tipping is not the norm.

 

However, I strongly feel it is not my business what another pax tips or doesn't tip. and being rude to another pax because of their views on tipping merely reflects poorly on the rude poster.

[Luvcrusn]

Please allow posters to comment on questions about Celebrity without being flamed. If you disagree, do it constructively. CC is a good site for information! It is not a nice experience to be flamed and serves no purpose for the OP or anyone else. Anyone else agree?

 

 

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Where's the like button?

[wander]

Can'tstopcruising;

 

Your post raised two thoughts for me. You have two GOOD points if they are actually meaningful, which I suspect they are very limited.

 

1. Just how long do you think a person from a "non-tiping culture" has to work on a line such as Celebrity, HAL, Princess, etc. before they become well aware of the ways of a tipping culture? After their first cruise perhaps? I think that cultural difference might be quickly mitigated.

 

2. When cruising on a Celebrity, HAL, Princess, RCL, etc. board, do you really think the majority of of their passengers are from non-tipping countries/cultures? Not my experience, but then I have seldom cruised on ships based in places with non-tipping cultures.

[Shadow9612]

Please allow posters to comment on questions about Celebrity without being flamed. If you disagree, do it constructively. CC is a good site for information! It is not a nice experience to be flamed and serves no purpose for the OP or anyone else. Anyone else agree?

 

 

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Agreed. I'm relatively new here (given the experience of some), but I'm often taken aback by some responses.

 

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[Ladesign]

A lot of us get upset when we "really" know the reason for removing the auto tip. Do remember that some (like me) do depend on gratuities for part of our salary & when I see pax do this, it's really stiffing those who took care of you. We get real tired of hearing about "Well it's not MY job to see that the cruise lines pay you a good wage". I know you're from a generally non tipping culture, but when people are in a region where tips are part of the norm, then they should respect that norm. Simple as that.

 

 

I find it curious that people get uptight about other peoples views.

 

For example; Cel X allow people to remove auto-grats for any reason -However if anyone dares to publish this fact in the forum all hell breaks loose.

 

 

And whatever you do- don't suggest that a certain CD is not your favourite . Hi de Hi [emoji12]

 

 

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There we go. I publish a FACT without any opinion and then someone rants because they "really know " the reasons for removing auto-grats. QED.

 

Best not voice any facts on the Boat - I Could be subject of a plebiscite at the Dinner Table. ??

 

 

 

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