cruising cockroach Posted November 13, 2018 #101 Share Posted November 13, 2018 3 hours ago, OlsSalt said: You always love arguing semantics, cruisemom. Do you see any difference between initially reporting a passenger was killed. versus a passenger died? She was killed in an accident. The accident caused her death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSR Posted November 13, 2018 #102 Share Posted November 13, 2018 The Newsweek story in post #84 said she fell off a tender platform. There is not enough information to determine from the story if she was ever even in the tender. She may have had a medical condition that caused her to faint and fall, unrelated to any roughness. I assume that would be part of an investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokiePoq Posted November 14, 2018 #103 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Terrible news. I imagine this will impact tendering versus skipping port decisions. On a Celebrity cruise in Australia, a lady I knew fell between the tender and the dock. Had the crew not had a grip on her she would have been crushed between the two. or drowned. The sea was very rough that evening. Very sorry about this tragic accident. As others have said we don't have all the information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sppunk Posted November 14, 2018 #104 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) 34 minutes ago, PSR said: The Newsweek story in post #84 said she fell off a tender platform. There is not enough information to determine from the story if she was ever even in the tender. She may have had a medical condition that caused her to faint and fall, unrelated to any roughness. I assume that would be part of an investigation. This is my guess too. Like, she had a heart attack/stroke/whatever, fell off a platform, pulled from the water alive but died unfortunately afterward. Hope the crew crew use the counseling provided. Very sad accident. Edited November 14, 2018 by sppunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare TiogaCruiser Posted November 14, 2018 #105 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 hour ago, sppunk said: This is my guess too. Like, she had a heart attack/stroke/whatever, fell off a platform, pulled from the water alive but died unfortunately afterward. Hope the crew crew use the counseling provided. Very sad accident. Same here. It is not clear, and cannot be ruled out with the little information given. That’s what the coroner will do. And releasing more information could violate the ladies privacy, especially if there was another medical condition involved. Years back there was an article in one of the nursing journals that many falls by seniors that result in a fractured “hip” are caused by the fracture, and not the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notladjr Posted November 14, 2018 #106 Share Posted November 14, 2018 After reading this thread I would certainly be afraid of posting about something tragic that happened on a cruise I am on for fear of being called a liar. I hope the Newsweek article and other one silenced the trolls. I have been a member of the CC forum for 11 years and don't recall reading people being called liars before. One thing I have noticed in my 11 years here is some people are ridiculously defensive of whatever favorite cruise line they have and refuse to believe anything negative about it. Of course on the other hand there are those who are never happy and post negative things about a cruise where almost all of the other reviews are very positive. People are funny! 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare erewhon Posted November 14, 2018 #107 Share Posted November 14, 2018 A headline in the on-line Otago Daily Times ( Dunedin, New Zealand) is "Questions over Dunedin-bound cruise ship's safety. https://www.odt.co.nz Very sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boulders Posted November 14, 2018 #108 Share Posted November 14, 2018 27 minutes ago, erewhon said: A headline in the on-line Otago Daily Times ( Dunedin, New Zealand) is "Questions over Dunedin-bound cruise ship's safety. https://www.odt.co.nz Very sad. Do you have a direct link to the Otago article? I can't seem to find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruise_More_Often Posted November 14, 2018 #109 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Here it is: https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/questions-over-dunedin-bound-cruise-ships-safety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MMDown Under Posted November 14, 2018 #110 Share Posted November 14, 2018 I imagine there were a number of independent witnesses to this sad incident, both crew and passengers. The Coroner will ascertain the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voyageur9 Posted November 14, 2018 #111 Share Posted November 14, 2018 ... and HAL confirming to USA Today what is widely known, that an elderly female passenger died after falling into the sea from the ship-side platform being used for tendering. Actual cause of death and what precipitated the fall remain undetermined. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare VMax1700 Posted November 14, 2018 #112 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Another update in Cook Island News, says Maasdam cancelled todays visit because of conditions. They also give a few more details on last weeks incident... The Maasdam was on its third visit to Rarotonga since October. Last Wednesday it was the scene of tragedy as a 70-year-old woman, believed to be a US citizen, died while disembarking from a tender on to the landing platform. The event appeared to have been hushed up, but after unconfirmed report of the incident was posted on a website on Monday, Police and Transport ministry officials confirmed an investigation was underway into the death and would be taken up by another investigator once the ship reached New Zealand. Police said the Coroner was currently conducting an inquest and was awaiting a pathologist’s report from New Zealand. Requests from CINews for information from the Holland America Line met with no response, but were more forthcoming with Newsweek, who had a story on their website yesterday. The story said the Holland America Line had said in a statement that the woman had fallen into the sea from a tender platform and had passed away at 1.30 pm Cook Islands time, after she was pulled back on board. The woman had been still conscious when she was pulled from the water, the statement added. “She then lost consciousness on the platform and could not be revived by medical staff at the scene,” the cruise company said. “Authorities were notified and company care team counsellors assisted her family and other guests during this difficult time,” the statement read. “We are saddened by this event, and our thoughts and prayers are with the family.” The Masdaam was 10 days into a two-week cruise of French Polynesia. A spokesperson for Holland America told Newsweek the reason for the woman’s fall was currently unknown. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doublebzz Posted November 14, 2018 #113 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 hour ago, VMax1700 said: Another update in Cook Island News, says Maasdam cancelled todays visit because of conditions. They also give a few more details on last weeks incident... My contact with the Editor, Cook Islands News, confirmed this; quoting from his email: "Yes, CINews ran a story on this on Tuesday when I discovered mention of it on a website on Monday morning. It had been kept quiet till then. There were also comments from passengers on a cruise passenger forum. I followed up with another story this morning after the Masdaam stopped off Rarotonga as scheduled yesterday, then abandoned plans to bring passengers ashore. Apparently the captain wasn’t very happy when he saw the story. Newsweek has since also published Holland America’s version of the incident on their website. Regards, Cameron Scott" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drowelf Posted November 14, 2018 #114 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Well this event made the ABC Evening News today. No real details, other than a woman fell from a platform during tender operations and died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclue Posted November 15, 2018 #115 Share Posted November 15, 2018 18 minutes ago, drowelf said: Well this event made the ABC Evening News today. No real details, other than a woman fell from a platform during tender operations and died. Yes, I heard this on David Muir's news tonight......I just cannot understand why so many people on CC just wear something like this out with all their negativity and argumentative natures....maybe they have nothing better to do. Peace be with this lost soul. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjarrett7 Posted November 15, 2018 #116 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Here is a link to Newsweek article about the accident. So very sad. https://www.newsweek.com/elderly-passenger-dies-after-falling-cruise-ship-1212454 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doublebzz Posted November 15, 2018 #117 Share Posted November 15, 2018 3 hours ago, eclue said: Yes, I heard this on David Muir's news tonight......I just cannot understand why so many people on CC just wear something like this out with all their negativity and argumentative natures....maybe they have nothing better to do. Peace be with this lost soul. What "negativity and argumentative natures"? Yes, this was a tragic accident and most posters have expressed their sympathy for the family involved, but there is a legitimate thirst for details as in any accident of this nature, so that precautions can be taken to prevent recurrence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrill Posted November 15, 2018 #118 Share Posted November 15, 2018 On 11/13/2018 at 9:32 PM, Cruise_More_Often said: Here it is: https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/questions-over-dunedin-bound-cruise-ships-safety The headline of that article is misleading. Not one "question" about safety is raised in the article, and no assertion is made that the ship's crew was at fault for not following correct procedures. It's simply a benign description of what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruising cockroach Posted November 15, 2018 #119 Share Posted November 15, 2018 On 11/13/2018 at 7:24 PM, notladjr said: One thing I have noticed in my 11 years here is some people are ridiculously defensive of whatever favorite cruise line they have and refuse to believe anything negative about it. It's become like a following a sports team. No objectivity. Just be all in with the team or not at all. There are other contemporary phenomena like this but I won't mention them here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare TiogaCruiser Posted November 15, 2018 #120 Share Posted November 15, 2018 55 minutes ago, cruising cockroach said: It's become like a following a sports team. No objectivity. Just be all in with the team or not at all. There are other contemporary phenomena like this but I won't mention them here. Nothing new. It’s been going on for at least the past 9 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruising cockroach Posted November 15, 2018 #121 Share Posted November 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, TiogaCruiser said: Nothing new. It’s been going on for at least the past 9 years. Should have worded it as "is like" rather than "become". I observe this in another site where the "teams" are airlines. Some have more rabid followers than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruising cockroach Posted November 15, 2018 #122 Share Posted November 15, 2018 As an aside (or back to the topic - safety of tendering), I do remember reading on this forum a few years ago about very unabled body passengers pretty much expecting the crew to get them on and off the boats. It can be pretty dangerous for all involved. Some proximate table mates on a cruise were passing through the Azores for the second time. The man had suffered a stroke and while still mobile and able to walk without assistance of any sort, wasn't so quick and agile on his feet. He knew his limitations so he decided not to go ashore, his second miss for that area which was a disappointment to him. We've had stops where we went ashore for a brief look and came back, and those who had remained onshore had to wait quite a while to board due to sea condition which wasn't all that rough, just windy. With HAL's demographic, the ships should be designed with an internal dock like some military amphibious assault ships. Take way too much room away from revenue generating functions though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Copper10-8 Posted November 15, 2018 #123 Share Posted November 15, 2018 40 minutes ago, cruising cockroach said: ....................................... With HAL's demographic, the ships should be designed with an internal dock like some military amphibious assault ships. Take way too much room away from revenue generating functions though. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruising cockroach Posted November 15, 2018 #124 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Pretty much it though I thought some have docks for landing craft. Had a colleage who was a former USMC captain telling me the unsettling feeling (especially for the men in the back) of the vehicle plunging beneath water when it first goes of the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruising cockroach Posted November 15, 2018 #125 Share Posted November 15, 2018 (edited) http://www.seaforces.org/marint/Royal-Navy/Amphibious-Ship/L15-HMS-Bulwark_DAT/L15-HMS-Bulwark-009.jpg Edited November 15, 2018 by cruising cockroach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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