rusty nut Posted December 23, 2019 #151 Share Posted December 23, 2019 On 12/21/2019 at 11:01 AM, cruisekap said: I see lots of comments from. people who know how ships and thrusters etc. work. I was just wondering who would have control of the ship at the time? Captain or port pilot? Who makes the decisions? It does not matter. The Captain is always PIC (Pilot in Command) no matter who has the controls. He harbors 100% of the responsibility of his ship. At any time, the Captain can take control of his ship from the onboard harbor pilot, and the pilot cannot do a thing about it. Obviously, the Captain must trust the pilot in what he is doing, but if the onboard harbor pilot messes up, it's the Captain's responsibility, except as @harleycaptain mentions above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted December 23, 2019 #152 Share Posted December 23, 2019 15 hours ago, Saab4444 said: Exactly what I said and what the Chief Engineer commented as “100% incorrect“.... Not to take this back to this argument, but notice that Captain Johnny uses the terms "command" and "responsibility", not being "in charge". As I've said repeatedly, the Captain retains command, and is always responsible for the ship, but other officers or pilots can be "in charge" of the vessel, as the bridge officers are when the Captain is not present on the bridge, or when the Captain gives the conn to the harbor pilot. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pratique Posted December 23, 2019 #153 Share Posted December 23, 2019 20 hours ago, bobmacliberty said: Will be interesting to see how/when Carnival fixes this. Like this... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare twangster Posted December 23, 2019 #154 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Johnson and Johnson to the rescue! Newly announced and made exclusively for Carnival Cruise Lines, the mega ship bandage. Waterproof for 7 cruises. New dressing recommended after each rogue wave. 2 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairyGodmother55 Posted December 23, 2019 #155 Share Posted December 23, 2019 We were on the Norwegian Sun that morning and the captain had announced that all tenders were canceled for the day due to extreme wind! It was a very rocky ride there- so we turned around and headed back to sea! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare vacationlover_mn Posted December 23, 2019 #156 Share Posted December 23, 2019 I thought someone posted this, but now I can’t find the post. What happened with the impacted sailing, and subsequent one? Was the cruise cut short? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrp96 Posted December 23, 2019 #157 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 minute ago, vacationlover_mn said: I thought someone posted this, but now I can’t find the post. What happened with the impacted sailing, and subsequent one? Was the cruise cut short? The ship was late leaving Cozumel but did leave that night to head back to New Orleans. It was supposed to sail from New Orleans last night, but didn't sail until this morning. They moved their Cozumel stop from Tuesday to Friday. That is the only change in the itinerary. The aft dining room was completely shut down last night while it was worked on, so everyone was directed to the mid-ship dining room or the buffet for dinner. Hopes are they will be able to reopen the aft dining room during the cruise. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DISFANS3 Posted December 23, 2019 #158 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Looks like a lot of damage?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare twangster Posted December 23, 2019 #159 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 hour ago, DISFANS3 said: Looks like a lot of damage?? The area where the two ships met on the Glory was windows for the dining room. Those large expanses of windows are not structural exactly, it's not part of the ship superstructure that is used to support the frame of the vessel. The floor bent and the glass and window frames were lost but in the big scheme of things it isn't that significant. Of anywhere for an impact to occur this is probably one of the better outcomes. Sure it will cost money to fix but it's somewhat superficial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saab4444 Posted December 23, 2019 #160 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Does Carnival Legend not have any damage? No one posts any pictures of her bow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulsacoker Posted December 23, 2019 #161 Share Posted December 23, 2019 4 hours ago, vacationlover_mn said: I thought someone posted this, but now I can’t find the post. What happened with the impacted sailing, and subsequent one? Was the cruise cut short? they just needed a few extra minutes in Port to change out the Captain and bridge crew 😄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pratique Posted December 23, 2019 #162 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Just now, Saab4444 said: Does Carnival Legend not have any damage? No one posts any pictures of her bow. It looked like some of the equipment on the bow fell into the sea. Other than that I haven't seen anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted December 23, 2019 #163 Share Posted December 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Saab4444 said: Does Carnival Legend not have any damage? No one posts any pictures of her bow. https://www.cruisehive.com/carnival-legend-repaired-and-departs-on-next-cruise/36510 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare twangster Posted December 23, 2019 #164 Share Posted December 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, Saab4444 said: Does Carnival Legend not have any damage? No one posts any pictures of her bow. There was a revolving radar type antenna lost, probably for surface scanning. Not essential to ship operation and a relatively easy job to replace it once parts are on hand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted December 23, 2019 #165 Share Posted December 23, 2019 36 minutes ago, Saab4444 said: Does Carnival Legend not have any damage? No one posts any pictures of her bow. A few dimples in some plating near the bow, nothing that really needs replacement, and will be left to the cruise line's discretion as to whether it is fixed at the next scheduled drydocking. Most likely a coat of paint and no one will notice. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted December 23, 2019 #166 Share Posted December 23, 2019 36 minutes ago, Tulsacoker said: they just needed a few extra minutes in Port to change out the Captain and bridge crew 😄 Not very likely. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voyager70 Posted December 23, 2019 #167 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Wow surprised Legend came out of this relatively unscathed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted December 23, 2019 #168 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 minute ago, voyager70 said: Wow surprised Legend came out of this relatively unscathed. The bow is a relatively strongly reinforced part of the ship, while that corner of the superstructure is not really structural. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milwaukee Eight Posted December 23, 2019 #169 Share Posted December 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, chengkp75 said: The bow is a relatively strongly reinforced part of the ship, while that corner of the superstructure is not really structural. We appreciate your knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voyager70 Posted December 23, 2019 #170 Share Posted December 23, 2019 56 minutes ago, chengkp75 said: The bow is a relatively strongly reinforced part of the ship, while that corner of the superstructure is not really structural. Makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt_BJ Posted December 23, 2019 #171 Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, chengkp75 said: Not to take this back to this argument, but notice that Captain Johnny uses the terms "command" and "responsibility", not being "in charge". As I've said repeatedly, the Captain retains command, and is always responsible for the ship, but other officers or pilots can be "in charge" of the vessel, as the bridge officers are when the Captain is not present on the bridge, or when the Captain gives the conn to the harbor pilot. but wait .. you've said in the past that the pilot NEVER has the conn .... I guess you forgot that? Edited December 23, 2019 by Capt_BJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BirdTravels Posted December 23, 2019 #172 Share Posted December 23, 2019 2 hours ago, chengkp75 said: A few dimples in some plating near the bow, nothing that really needs replacement, and will be left to the cruise line's discretion as to whether it is fixed at the next scheduled drydocking. Most likely a coat of paint and no one will notice. The radar on the bow of the Legend can be seen falling into the water after being knocked off by the Glory. Does this impose any limitations on the ship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted December 24, 2019 #173 Share Posted December 24, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Capt_BJ said: but wait .. you've said in the past that the pilot NEVER has the conn .... I guess you forgot that? And, again, no, I never said that, I said they cannot handle the controls. But, because you've sat in "the chair' I guess you must be right. Edited December 24, 2019 by chengkp75 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayleeman Posted December 24, 2019 #174 Share Posted December 24, 2019 We need to get out the meauring tape to settle this. Meanwhile, perhaps we can all agree that 1) an investigation will be made that 2) takes evidence from people there resulting in 3) decisions about causation and possible areas of responsibility. Oh, and can we please also agree that no one here knows either exactly what happened or precisely what will be the result of any investigation? Speculation is worth what you pay for it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EllaDuChien Posted December 24, 2019 #175 Share Posted December 24, 2019 19 hours ago, wrp96 said: The ship was late leaving Cozumel but did leave that night to head back to New Orleans. It was supposed to sail from New Orleans last night, but didn't sail until this morning. They moved their Cozumel stop from Tuesday to Friday. That is the only change in the itinerary. The aft dining room was completely shut down last night while it was worked on, so everyone was directed to the mid-ship dining room or the buffet for dinner. Hopes are they will be able to reopen the aft dining room during the cruise. People on board have reported that only the first night dinner was affected. All dining rooms will be open for the rest of the cruise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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